Breakaway Cannon

[Double Bass]

I know there's been a thread on this before but I've never actually got to use one until now.

All I can say is that if you use a fixed spool for goodness sake get one of these. My casting was rubbish before I got one of these and I'm now casting with confidence and over 100 yards from an overhead thump. It's going to be especially useful when it's wet or foggy.

It's a doddle to fix to the rod and even more of a doddle to use.

Er, sorry Mods - please feel free to move this to the casting section.

[Kleftiwallah]

Could you manage a picture, for those uninformed members? Cheers, Tony.

[thornbackflounder]

What is this gizmo then any links?im a multiplier man but im intrigued

[ANNELLI]

What is this gizmo then any links?im a multiplier man but im intrigued

heres your link mate http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/prod...roducts_id=321 just phoned my local tackle shed to order me one looks pretty effective

[Kleftiwallah]

Oh bum....."This page cannot be found". I'll have to wait till I get home. Thanks for the link, Tony

[ANNELLI]

the same link is on the other thread on this device it seems to work better than mine [i wonder why?] still looks great to me. type in cannon in the search box its called cannon do they work.

[Vicfisher]

I think this is the one:
http://tinyurl.com/34fyhf

[ANNELLI]

cheers vic but same problem as my link

[wooky114]

http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/Editor/assets/cannon.jpg

http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/Editor/assets/breakaway-canon.jpg

Link to the item on the Breakaway site here (http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=321) :thumbs:

[Norm B]

http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/Editor/assets/cannon.jpg

http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/Editor/assets/breakaway-canon.jpg

Link to the item on the Breakaway site here (http://www.breakaway-tackle.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=321) :thumbs:

:sad:That's a new one on me, I reviewed the old one years ago and that worked. It looks like the same principle but they've upgraded the item, should work even better.:sun:

[merlin42om]

Don’t want to appear too dumb but what is it??? & how does it work????
not that my casting needs improving much....:hypocrite

[smiley73]

if you use a fixed spool, the cannon replaces your index finger in holding the line...

allowing you to put alot more ooomph into your casting ;)

just a simple leaver pull with the same finger and off she go's.

when you try a swinging pendulum with a 7oz + gets a bit nippy on the pinkies!!

i would replave the shockleader every sesh though as you may see wear, that a finger would'nt normally make.

al.

[merlin42om]

cheers smiley.. I use a leather finger guard seems to do the job when i am in full pendulum mode...

[smiley73]

i just pinch finger safety tape from work LoL (dont tell the boss!)

but im curious, so i might give one a go...
few f/s boys on the tourny scene use them with good results.

atb, al.

[Double Bass]

Went to Frinton today to try it out in the 'field' and it worked a treat. I made a couple of whopper casts with it. If you get the technique just right it'll fly - however - I had my first crackoff so unimpressed I watched a good pennel and weight flying off to Holland. It's a real pain trying to fix 60lb shock leader to your main line in a howling wind.

The rod throws quite well as a javelin.

P.S. I couldn't be a**ed taping up the breakaway all nice and neat.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x257/ScuffyCrunt/DSC_0027.jpg

[501ph]

you can use it n top of he rod and it works like a multi

[David Gould]

Becareful you do not bend the spool spindle especially if the line is at the retaining nut end. A very hard cast can put tremendous strain on it. You also have to have the brake full on otherwise your liable to start line running off a rotating spool long before you want it to happen.

Most fixed spool reels are not made for " He Man " casting

[gulp me drug]

Went to Frinton today to try it out in the 'field' and it worked a treat. I made a couple of whopper casts with it. If you get the technique just right it'll fly - however - I had my first crackoff so unimpressed I watched a good pennel and weight flying off to Holland. It's a real pain trying to fix 60lb shock leader to your main line in a howling wind.

The rod throws quite well as a javelin.

P.S. I couldn't be a**ed taping up the breakaway all nice and neat.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x257/ScuffyCrunt/DSC_0027.jpg

are you low on line, or was this indeed a monster cast????:fishing:

[David Gould]

are you low on line, or was this indeed a monster cast????:fishing:

If you fill the spool to the rim of the spool with line , it will come off in coils giving you a nice birdy , so most people seem to only fill to about 7 mm from the rim

[Double Bass]

If you fill the spool to the rim of the spool with line , it will come off in coils giving you a nice birdy , so most people seem to only fill to about 7 mm from the rim


Wot he said - and yes it was a long cast.



That's very good advice for me with the spool David. Thanks, I'll try and remember to put the brake on full the next time I'm out.

[gulp me drug]

If you fill the spool to the rim of the spool with line , it will come off in coils giving you a nice birdy , so most people seem to only fill to about 7 mm from the rim

as i recently found when out in a hoolie. in the end took off reel, threw it and birdnest into the boot, and put on my standby reel. untangled in the comfort of my living room.

[merlin42om]

If you fill the spool to the rim of the spool with line , it will come off in coils giving you a nice birdy , so most people seem to only fill to about 7 mm from the rim


I fill mine to within 1mm of the lip on my spool & have never had a birdy, I have always thought that this would add distance to my cast.

[Ulsterman]

Went to Frinton today to try it out in the 'field' and it worked a treat. I made a couple of whopper casts with it. If you get the technique just right it'll fly - however - I had my first crackoff so unimpressed I watched a good pennel and weight flying off to Holland. It's a real pain trying to fix 60lb shock leader to your main line in a howling wind.

Hi mate, I'm starting to get crack-offs alot and I don't use a cannon. They've just started happening when my casts are getting bigger and more pressure is applied on my finger. I've been told it could be happening because the distance between my casting finger and the spool is too big for the bigger casts and that I should reduce that distance.

If this is the case, then you might find that by reducing the distance between the cannon and the spool that this should help stop the crack-offs. Try it out, secure a wedge between the cannon and the rod and tell us if it helps.

[Double Bass]

Bout ye Ulsterman.

Yes I've thought about that and I might change the position. It's good to hear it confirmed by someone else. Sound advice.

[Nick Snow]

you can use it n top of he rod and it works like a multi

I use the 'cannons', starting originally under the rod, then read some spiel in Sea Angler (I believe) from John Holden where he said they worked on top of the rod. What a difference, my casting improved no end. On top you use your thumb to release, I found distance, and accuracy (direction) improved ten fold.

Well worth a go.

Nick.

[Double Bass]

I use the 'cannons', starting originally under the rod, then read some spiel in Sea Angler (I believe) from John Holden where he said they worked on top of the rod. What a difference, my casting improved no end. On top you use your thumb to release, I found distance, and accuracy (direction) improved ten fold.

Well worth a go.

Nick.


Very interesting. There've been a couple of posts saying this and I'd like to know more i.e. the exact positioning of the cannon and as to why this achieves more suitable results as I cannot see why it should although I was casting slightly to my right all day.
Enlightenment is the path to glory:notworthy:clap3:

[David Gould]

One good thing about having them on top is that you can have the line at right angles tothe spool and not have it foul on the bailarm of the reel.

My first lowest entry level reel made using the canon impossible because of this .

Once you have cast and set the bail arm you might like to think about loosening the spool lock/tension nut just incase you do need that clutch to run off line.

Ulsterman ..I have just had a thought ... what strain is your shock leader , have you done the stocking test ,from both sides of the runners
and also all the way round the spool rim.

You might have a shaver edge on an eye, you might have a shaver edge on the spool rim
Having a real hard cast will slap the line hard on the spool and all round the rim of the spool till some of the pressure deminishes. It also hits hard in the pressure edges/faces of the runners both on cast out & laden retrieves

Having a slightly nicked line would then cause you no end of break offs.

[Ulsterman]

Ulsterman ..I have just had a thought ... what strain is your shock leader , have you done the stocking test ,from both sides of the runners
and also all the way round the spool rim.

shock leader is 50lb weasel (possibly too stretchy) and no I haven't done the stocking test. this might be a good chance to get the wifes knickers off:laugh:


You might have a shaver edge on an eye, you might have a shaver edge on the spool rim

that would be worth checking mate


Having a real hard cast will slap the line hard on the spool and all round the rim of the spool till some of the pressure deminishes. It also hits hard in the pressure edges/faces of the runners both on cast out & laden retrieves

sometimes it slaps all over the place m8, especially when I release a cast which feels heavy half-way through. I have to under-cast to make sure I don't crack-off, it's frustrating as hell.

I've got cuts on my thumb by line slapping and i'm using a fixed spool :crazy:


Having a slightly nicked line would then cause you no end of break offs. the lines 100% mate, as smooth as a baby bum.

I did crack off today and lost a good pennel and breakaway impact lead. This casting business is costing me a fortune:ohmy: might buy some tapoured leader, something which isn't as stretchy as the weasel

[Nick Snow]

Very interesting. There've been a couple of posts saying this and I'd like to know more i.e. the exact positioning of the cannon and as to why this achieves more suitable results as I cannot see why it should although I was casting slightly to my right all day.
Enlightenment is the path to glory:notworthy:clap3:

DB, hope this helps, to me it just feels 'natural' with the cannon on top, using your thumb as a release. I was having problems with accuracy, changing to the top I was gobsmacked, my casts went straight down the 'line'.

No harm in trying... Nick.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/clueesnow/S7001392.jpg

[Ulsterman]

there's got to be some line slap happening with that set-up. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving it some wellie especially with an Ian holden rig and breakaway impact lead on :roll1:

[Nick Snow]

there's got to be some line slap happening with that set-up. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving it some wellie especially with an Ian holden rig and breakaway impact lead on :roll1:

Think i've missed the joke ? :wacko:

[Ulsterman]

there's got to be some line slap happening with that set-up. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving it some wellie especially with an Ian holden rig and breakaway impact lead on :roll1:


Think i've missed the joke ? :wacko:

the further away the line is from the spool when casting creates more line slap when released and results in crack-offs, by positioning your cannon on top you'll increase the chance of loosing more gear when casting.

[Ulsterman]

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q126/clueesnow/S7001392.jpg

Nick, does your fingers not get in the way of the line when releasing? and does the line not slap around alot when released?

[Double Bass]

I need some new line Ulsterman - what's that orange stuff on your reel - or is there just a bit of patriotism going on there?:laugh:

[Nick Snow]

Hi Ulsterman, index and middle finger each side of the reel foot (cant get in the way), thumb on top as a release. I 'prefer' greased weasel (Drennan) as a shock leader normally 50 or 60lb, I have used tapered leaders which to me are no benefit.

With this setup I have never suffered 'line slap' on release. I am not a big caster, with a fishing pendulum, max is 170 yards with 5oz on the field :cry:

[David Gould]

The canon does not release the line a suddenly as you do when fingering it .



:yeah: Now knowing how good value Ian's rigs are and the cost of everything can I ask , do you have Scottish or Jewish blood in you ?:bleh:

I'm led to believe they like retaining their gear almost as much as you :laugh: :whistling

[Ulsterman]

I need some new line Ulsterman - what's that orange stuff on your reel - or is there just a bit of patriotism going on there?:laugh:

lol, that's Nick Snows reel. My mono is yellow, Diawa sensor.

[Nick Snow]

Now knowing how good value Ian's rigs are and the cost of everything can I ask , do you have Scottish or Jewish blood in you ?

I'm led to believe they like retaining their gear almost as much as you


LOL !! :laugh:

[Ulsterman]

Hi Ulsterman, index and middle finger each side of the reel foot (cant get in the way), thumb on top as a release. I 'prefer' greased weasel (Drennan) as a shock leader normally 50 or 60lb, I have used tapered leaders which to me are no benefit.

that's a relief, thought the fingers might get in the road.


With this setup I have never suffered 'line slap' on release. I am not a big caster, with a fishing pendulum, max is 170 yards with 5oz on the field :cry:

you're getting around the same as me with a pendulum, but I get the lineslap using the same leader and all:cry:

[David Gould]

thought the fingers might get in the road.



you're getting around the same as me with a pendulum, but I get the lineslap using the same leader and all:cry:

Ulsterman if you want to " BORROW A CANON " for a trial PM me , you can always buy it for a few quid it or send it back if you don't like it ( I have a spare one with the stainles steel peg )

David

[Ulsterman]

The canon does not release the line a suddenly as you do when fingering it .

I'd like to try one of these out, but I don't like the thought of using an aid when i could correct the way i'm using my finger. I've noticed in other threads where members stated that they have to wrap the cannon around 2 or 3 times to make it grip the leader, this makes me think the leader will end up kinked and might even make the problem of crack-offs worse:cry:




:yeah: Now knowing how good value Ian's rigs are and the cost of everything can I ask , do you have Scottish or Jewish blood in you ?:bleh:

I'm led to believe they like retaining their gear almost as much as you :laugh: :whistling

at least we never used leeks for fishing bait.:bleh:

[David Gould]

I'd like to try one of these out, but I don't like the thought of using an aid when i could correct the way i'm using my finger. I've noticed in other threads where members stated that they have to wrap the cannon around 2 or 3 times to make it grip the leader, this makes me think the leader will end up kinked and might even make the problem of crack-offs worse:cry:





at least we never used leeks for fishing bait.
Neither have I , I'm an immigrant living in South Wales which in my new adopted country ..haven't used Yorkshire pud though :laugh:


Re :- wrapping shock leader line round the peg to grip it .... I cannot see why as the spool should be locked tight , line cannot therefore come off it till the trigger is released.

[Ulsterman]

Re :- wrapping shock leader line round the peg to grip it .... I cannot see why as the spool should be locked tight , line cannot therefore come off it till the trigger is released.

good point Davy. So only one wrap is enough? by the way, hoe do you use said gadget, do you hold trigger down and release like normal or press trigger to release?

[Double Bass]

good point Davy. So only one wrap is enough? by the way, hoe do you use said gadget, do you hold trigger down and release like normal or press trigger to release?


Release trigger by taking finger off upon release

[Ulsterman]

Hi Ulsterman, index and middle finger each side of the reel foot (cant get in the way), thumb on top as a release. I 'prefer' greased weasel (Drennan) as a shock leader normally 50 or 60lb, I have used tapered leaders which to me are no benefit.

With this setup I have never suffered 'line slap' on release. I am not a big caster, with a fishing pendulum, max is 170 yards with 5oz on the field :cry:

Hi Nick, I'm trying to identify my problem as you seem to have the same set-up as myself without the crack-offs. Have you ever suffered crack-offs from fixed spool pendulum, if so, is it when you've put in the power too soon?

and after looking at your pic again, is it not hell trying to grip you rod with those dreadfull cable ties?

[Johnnygm7lsi]

Hi David, If no takes you up on the offer, I wouldn`t mind trying it, my index finger goes numb after each cast. By the way, the gilbert beads are fantastic, I stuck a starlite into the gilbert, gave it a wee boost with the uv light torch you recomended and it shone like a dollar on a ,,,,,,,,,,,,,also the silicone tubing is the most versatile stuff I have ever came across, far better than crimps, loads of uses, great bait clips, and makes rigs soooo versatile, it`s also great for replacing those brittle sleeves that you get with the lead grip leads. Also the crimps are great, the best quality I have tried, they grip like hell, don`t weaken the line, and are adjustable. Rig clips are great too. Cheers, Johnny. (johnnygm7lsi)
Ulsterman if you want to " BORROW A CANON " for a trial PM me , you can always buy it for a few quid it or send it back if you don't like it ( I have a spare one with the stainles steel peg )

David

[Nick Snow]

Hi Nick, I'm trying to identify my problem as you seem to have the same set-up as myself without the crack-offs. Have you ever suffered crack-offs from fixed spool pendulum, if so, is it when you've put in the power too soon?

and after looking at your pic again, is it not hell trying to grip you rod with those dreadfull cable ties?

Helloo again.....those dreadful cable ties are actually a Talon Reel seat, I find due to the compact nature of the grip it is the neatest and most effective way of getting the cannon 'over' the spool, so invariably the line comes off the spool at right angles to the spools axis.

I can't emphasise enough how comfortable it feels to (a) grip the rod / reel with this grip and (b) how 'natural' it feels to release the line with your thumb.

The confidence gained when using a Cannon release, to be able to wind up a 'BIG' cast without fear of tearing your finger off is great. I'd done the finger guard thing prior to the Cannon, I won't be going back.

Regarding 'crack offs'....

Is your rod a 'fixed spool' rung rod ? Maybe the line coming off your reel is bunching in the first ring?

Since moving from multis back to fixed spools (and realising I would stick with fixed spools) I bought the Penn Affinity FS rods, these are rung for fixed spool with Fuji low rider guides, the bottom guide being reversed for improved line flow.

When you make a cast the line comes off in coils, the low riders really help in smoothing the passage.

I am no expert on 'casting' and the attributed problems, so can only suggest you consult an expert on here such as 'Philtherod' , I am sure he will know.

Cheers for now, Nick.

[skillpot]

buy a finger guard it proberly does the same job. plus you can launch a 7oz gripper with all the power in the world and have no pain. i use one and i can cast along way with a fixed spool reel. once you use one you wont go back. plus they are about a quid!

[Nick Snow]

buy a finger guard it proberly does the same job. plus you can launch a 7oz gripper with all the power in the world and have no pain. i use one and i can cast along way with a fixed spool reel. once you use one you wont go back. plus they are about a quid!

Are you sure ? in your species list for 2008 (on your signature) you mention you've caught your thumbs :g:

[skillpot]

hello nick hows it going mate. dont know why its doing that.

[Ian Houlton]

The canon does not release the line a suddenly as you do when fingering it .



:yeah: Now knowing how good value Ian's rigs are and the cost of everything can I ask , do you have Scottish or Jewish blood in you ?:bleh:
I'm led to believe they like retaining their gear almost as much as you :laugh: :whistling

Irish defo, it must be because I sent him a PM once offering him a couple for free and got no reply lol
Someone told him what I used to do for a living or what?
I like that new cannon mind

[Old sweat]

The breakaway cannon clip is a new fool-proof finger release system for users of fixed spool reels, it ensures no finger damage when distance casting and they retail at £9.99 at most tackle shops.
its a great inovation for those of you who use the fixed spool reel and find that ur finger gets twanged every now and again, and in the winter when ur hands are cold its a killer, this device will eliminate the OH F..k factor !

[OHTer]

Irish defo, it must be because I sent him a PM once offering him a couple for free and got no reply lol
Someone told him what I used to do for a living or what?
I like that new cannon mind

You sent me a similar PM once Ian, I replied with my address....but I guess the PM must have got lost in cyberspace??? :sad:
:lmao:

[Ian Houlton]

You sent me a similar PM once Ian, I replied with my address....but I guess the PM must have got lost in cyberspace??? :sad:
:lmao:

oops, sorry.
you can have the ones destined for Ulsterman mate.
I will need your Addy again mind.

[OHTer]

PM sent Ian :thumbs:

[David Gould]

Irish defo, it must be because I sent him a PM once offering him a couple for free and got no reply lol
Someone told him what I used to do for a living or what?
I like that new cannon mind

Ian ,
After landing on your head so many times I think your now forgiven by everyone in the whole wide world ....including Oakley Ten :spiteful::whistling:icecream::icecream::bleh:

[Johnnygm7lsi]

Hi David, If no takes you up on the offer, I wouldn`t mind trying it, my index finger goes numb after each cast. By the way, the gilbert beads are fantastic, I stuck a starlite into the gilbert, gave it a wee boost with the uv light torch you recomended and it shone like a dollar on a ,,,,,,,,,,,,,also the silicone tubing is the most versatile stuff I have ever came across, far better than crimps, loads of uses, great bait clips, and makes rigs soooo versatile, it`s also great for replacing those brittle sleeves that you get with the lead grip leads. Also the crimps are great, the best quality I have tried, they grip like hell, don`t weaken the line, and are adjustable. Rig clips are great too. Cheers, Johnny. (johnnygm7lsi)

Decided on a Penn 525 super mag extra instead, finger not numb now.

[soakingwet]

I have both rods fitted with the cannon. Absolutely brilliant. So simple to use, never had a problem. Transforms your fixed spool reel. If you fit it correctly, you will never look back.

[Devonian]

After reading this thread I bought one ......... works great. I had been thinking of going back to using fixed spools and this cannon device makes a big difference so now I will use a fixed spool for all my general fishing and a multiplier ( slosh30) for heavy lines for conger and in very rough ground.

[soakingwet]

After reading this thread I bought one ......... works great. I had been thinking of going back to using fixed spools and this cannon device makes a big difference so now I will use a fixed spool for all my general fishing and a multiplier ( slosh30) for heavy lines for conger and in very rough ground.

There you go! Glad you like it. Iv'e had mine for about three years, and no sign of corrosion, quality materials.

[dontforgetme]

Irish defo, it must be because I sent him a PM once offering him a couple for free and got no reply lol
Someone told him what I used to do for a living or what?
I like that new cannon mind

If that's the case he won't like what I did for a living either.:oops::offtopic::secret:

[EoinMag]

I took the Cannon off David recently and I have to say it's a lovely piece of kit, I used it for the first time at the weekend. I had to shave back the foam rubber handle above the seat to get it to sit right but once it's on it's on well.
I have a feeling when I get used to this that it will add yards to my cast, was getting out there nicely with it but will need to get it on a field to practise for a bit.

[David Gould]

Eoin,
practice makes purrrfect .

It is a nice bit of kit indeed , if used thoughtfully and with sympathy till you get used to it , then the worlds your lobster .

david

[Ulsterman]

Irish defo, it must be because I sent him a PM once offering him a couple for free and got no reply lol
Someone told him what I used to do for a living or what?
I like that new cannon mind

missed that pm. Thanks for offering anyhow but I make my own rigs and have literally dozens of them. Some other members could make use of them, so you could make public your charity to them and recieve some publicity at the same time.

If exchanging stuff is what you wish to do, give me your address and I'll post you one of my clothes line fish-rests.

If you've got any cheap second hand Century CME's or Zziplex promo Synchro's for fixed spool let me know:thumbs: