licence scrapped?

[Ian Houlton]

I jujst had a PM asking me if I knew the sea angling Licence idea had been scrapped officially.
Anyone heard anything about this?

[rocket]

http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107175

[blueskip]

Jonathan Shaw announced that after discussions with SACN & NFSA & with him & DEFRA talking to RSA's around the country, they were told in no uncertain terms what was expected if they introduced a licence. Seeing as they had no intentions whatsoever of doing anything for the money, they took the gypsies warning, & bottled it!:yahoo:
I cant wait to rub this into Ron & his cronies, who have been been quoting Fraser from "Dads Army", "We are all dooooomed Capn Mainwaring", so much for "You heard it here first"!:roll1:
blueskip

[DINOBOY]

poke that one alan yates:victory::victory::victory:

[chris grace]

the only problem I can see now is that we may be told that as we dont contribute directly (financialy) to the welfare of our fish we cant have a say in how its managed.
But then again what say do we have now ,apart from protesting, which as we can now see does work!!!
lets NOT be magnanimous in victory,up yours, Brown , Blair et-al.

[CWoody]

Yeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwww

[merlin42om]

poke that one alan yates:victory::victory::victory:


My sentiments exactly - devils advocate or not. & I didnt have to write it down & wait 24 hours before posting it.

[blueskip]

the only problem I can see now is that we may be told that as we dont contribute directly (financialy) to the welfare of our fish we cant have a say in how its managed.
But then again what say do we have now ,apart from protesting, which as we can now see does work!!!
lets NOT be magnanimous in victory,up yours, Brown , Blair et-al.

We only still have the status quo, but at least we dont have to pay a licence fee for getting nothing else. Our next course of action (seeing as apparently the DO listen) is to say EXACTLY what we WILL pay for, seeing as we have told them we WONT pay for nothing.:rtfm:
That is when we will have some say in the management, when it is realised that we ARE an important financial player, we DO have a voice, we DO have expertise at our disposal, & we are prepared to PAY for management that WE agree with. I reckon that would make us the only LICENCE PAYING stakeholders in the sea (commercial licences are free initially, they are only "sold on" at a price), I reckon that would make US the payer who calls the pipers tune?;)
blueskip

[kato]

That's great in my opinion. It means that holiday anglers and day trip anglers will still get the chance to start Sea Fishing, without first getting a license - good old Magna Carta!!!:)

[gazthelad]

yer got to agree great news

[brushright@btinternet.com]

well at least that gives me chance to catch the big one nowwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!

[blankerman]

My sentiments exactly - devils advocate or not. & I didnt have to write it down & wait 24 hours before posting it.


ah,but he will say that is what he wanted and that we got it all wrong.:laugh:

[alittlebitfishy]

great news.

i live in land so a sea license would be the last thing i want, considering course fishing costs enough as it is. ( sea fishing is better though! lol)

[captaincojones]

That's great in my opinion. good old Magna Carta!!!:)
its good news....but what has magna carta got to do with anything?:g:

[blueskip]

its good news....but what has magna carta got to do with anything?:g:

Her with the big jugs, who works behind the bar in "The Woolpack" I thought her name was Magna something or other?
blueskip

[captaincojones]

Her with the big jugs, who works behind the bar in "The Woolpack" I thought her name was Magna something or other?
blueskip

oh her!
hmm yep i know the one:icecream:

[jack-the-kipper]

if you think you've heard the last of this then your fools,this government will not give up that easy just because a few anglers complain....don't be surprised when they try something similar but from a different angle:g:
there are mutterings of 'people should pay to use the beach',these thoughts already abound aplenty in the corridors of central government,don't be surprised when a levy is charged for using the beach's,cost depends on what you are doing:uhuh:

[the-fox]

call me a sceptic but i wonder if labour cottoned on to the fact the licence would have been a massive vote loser?? But like jack says i don't think this will be the last of this.

[Codhead Bob]

The best news is that now we won't have to have endless posts banging on about it.

[bradley57]

Good news no license, but will the marine bill close bait beds, as inshore protection areas are being talked about.

[treeman]

The only reason it has been scrapped is the fact that it would be impossible for the govt to make a profit out of the scheme. The fisheries dept have proved this - how can a handful of 'ground-soldiers' patrol the thousands of miles of coastline? Impossible.

Good news though!!!

Treeman :clap2:

[Vaughany]

no rod licence for now anyway but they will think of another way to get money out ov us ye can bet on that

[Skizz]

The license thing has not been scrapped.

The minister says he "remains committed to the principle of a license for ALL recreational fishing", but he has been persuaded to drop it from this bill.
http://www.worldseafishing.com/news/nfsa_19032008.shtml

KEEP SIGNING!

I believe the issue will come back, perhaps after some "sweetners".

I for one, would happily pay the 25 quid in exchange for a "Golden Mile", and that is the bargain I think we should drive (should the issue return).

[Nos4r2]

Best not vote for the bastarrds then.

[jack-the-kipper]

I for one, would happily pay the 25 quid in exchange for a "Golden Mile", and that is the bargain I think we should drive (should the issue return).

i don't think it would make much difference,as the damage to the seabed has already been done,the scallop boats do more damage to the ocean floor than trawlers,things have to change off shore to have any lasting effect,a close season perhaps,closed areas that are known breeding grounds,and certainly something has to be done to limit the by-catch and under sized, baited long lines would be an improvement over nets:g:

[kato]

its good news....but what has magna carta got to do with anything?:g:


The magna Carta gives all Englishmen the right to fish our shores for free - rumour had it that King John was a keen Sea Angler.

[David Gould]

Why not play this idea marine consultation for all it is worth . there are zillions of cost free ideas that can be reasonably presented to the panel. Such things like set aside marine parks habitat /bait protection areas... simply chose the area in your locality that is impossible use or to fish from the shore or a boat most of the time and propose it as a marine set aside park .. same for those stupid rock marks that no one in their right mind attempts.

These consutlation information sifters are clueles as to what is what so why not offer areas that are not viable fishing ones.

Look for instance at river esturies and costal shores with acres of deep mud that are not fishable , get a map , mark the area and ask that this be included as a marine park with fishing either side ( find out where the fishing marks are.)

Run these ideas on the site via your local forum group.

Same goes for the protection of marine creatures , worms etc. viable areas for collecting are specifically ommitted from the suggestion. mark out in detail that areas offered /suggested for protection as you can bet the opposition will shove their suggestions to the fore.

Flood the consultation with proposals that give everything but nothing of worth to the sea or boat angler.

Remember there are vast areas around our coast that are rarely if ever fished. Do what you can to keep those that are fished..You have only a few days left to do it at no cost to yourselves or you can sit on your harrises and let somebody tell you what you can have instead.

The choice is yours.

Good hunting.

David

[captaincojones]

The magna Carta gives all Englishmen the right to fish our shores for free - rumour had it that King John was a keen Sea Angler.

magna carta has three clauses.
1/the right of habeaus corpus.
2/the right of the church to be free.
3/the right of the city of london to have its own government.

the rest of it has been repealed.
where in the above does it give you the right to fish?


I. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.
IX. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, and all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.
XXIX. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[1]

these are the maga carta clauses on the books.the rest are gone.

[Leon Roskilly]

The magna Carta gives all Englishmen the right to fish our shores for free - rumour had it that King John was a keen Sea Angler.


The Magna Carta Translation is published online at

http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/translation/mc_trans.html

I can't find that bit!


(It's not that long if you want a read)

[anotherbarrelMrHooper]

Oh dear looks like yates wont be getting that job in browns cabinet.

[Skizz]

Best not vote for the bastarrds then.

I never have!

You should remember that The Labour Party has a huge loony left lobby within its membership that would ban ALL fishing given half the chance!

[Lobber]

Why not play this idea marine consultation for all it is worth . there are zillions of cost free ideas that can be reasonably presented to the panel. Such things like set aside marine parks habitat /bait protection areas... -- snip--

Good hunting.

David

That idea I like. I think it's only a matter of time before they manage to stick it under the umbrella of another tax that also negates them of any responibility towards anglers. Self management and conservation actions would make this more difficult to do.

Above all we need to STOP LEAVING OUR CR@P LYING AROUND and make less demands on local councils/boroughs, they'll be the first ones to demand money from national gov' if we give them cause.

My 2p
Lobber.

[sharpshooter]

Jonathan Shaw announced that after discussions with SACN & NFSA & with him & DEFRA talking to RSA's around the country, they were told in no uncertain terms what was expected if they introduced a licence. Seeing as they had no intentions whatsoever of doing anything for the money, they took the gypsies warning, & bottled it!:yahoo:
I cant wait to rub this into Ron & his cronies, who have been been quoting Fraser from "Dads Army", "We are all dooooomed Capn Mainwaring", so much for "You heard it here first"!:roll1:
blueskip

To be fair; i think you will find that most commercial fishermen are glad the licience has been dropped - for the moment.
For many, their concern was that by paying for a licience, RSA would have a say in fisheries management. No Licience - no say!!

This appears to be a vicory for the commercial sector. RSA get to keep the tope - a commercially worthless species; commercial fishermen get to carry on as they were, without the threat of a GM or other restrictions. The only recent loss to the commercial fleet is the spurdog restrictions, which to be fair, affects very few boats. There are only a handfull of boats that target these species, and a few more that catch them in any numbers at certain times of the year as a sellable bycatch.

Both parties have gained and both have lost - so a balance is created that suits all, although i cant help feeling that the commercial sector has walked away from this with alot more than RSA.

I imagine the licience will be introduced at a later date, once all the recent fuss has died down. Just as fuel prices crept up after the initial protests.

[blueskip]

To be fair; i think you will find that most commercial fishermen are glad the licience has been dropped - for the moment.
For many, their concern was that by paying for a licience, RSA would have a say in fisheries management. No Licience - no say!!

This appears to be a vicory for the commercial sector. RSA get to keep the tope - a commercially worthless species; commercial fishermen get to carry on as they were, without the threat of a GM or other restrictions. The only recent loss to the commercial fleet is the spurdog restrictions, which to be fair, affects very few boats. There are only a handfull of boats that target these species, and a few more that catch them in any numbers at certain times of the year as a sellable bycatch.

Both parties have gained and both have lost - so a balance is created that suits all, although i cant help feeling that the commercial sector has walked away from this with alot more than RSA.

I imagine the licience will be introduced at a later date, once all the recent fuss has died down. Just as fuel prices crept up after the initial protests.

"That the threat of the GM has gone away" now that we know they will listen when challenged, why not press on with the GM idea? You all seemed so blase that we wouldn't get it, & that it wouldn't make any difference if we did, so why were they so glad we "didn't get a voice" if we do, & ask for the GM, if it makes no difference to you (as you suggest) why are you so against us getting it.
From what I can see we already have a voice, which Jonathan Shaw listened to, lets see what else we can whisper in his shell like!;)
blueskip

[Why Worry Angling Charters]

"That the threat of the GM has gone away" now that we know they will listen when challenged, why not press on with the GM idea? You all seemed so blase that we wouldn't get it, & that it wouldn't make any difference if we did, so why were they so glad we "didn't get a voice" if we do, & ask for the GM, if it makes no difference to you (as you suggest) why are you so against us getting it.
From what I can see we already have a voice, which Jonathan Shaw listened to, lets see what else we can whisper in his shell like!;)
blueskip

Lets see what else your 'Reps' can talk up! To be fair,I think we have seen the last of that lot...Hopefully.They had a lucky escape and if they have any sense wont be sticking there head above the wall for a while.
It's over skip,youve had a result,No licence and youve got the Tope...Thats your lot now...Wait and see.:icecream:

[albe2]

"That the threat of the GM has gone away" now that we know they will listen when challenged, why not press on with the GM idea? You all seemed so blase that we wouldn't get it, & that it wouldn't make any difference if we did, so why were they so glad we "didn't get a voice" if we do, & ask for the GM, if it makes no difference to you (as you suggest) why are you so against us getting it.
From what I can see we already have a voice, which Jonathan Shaw listened to, lets see what else we can whisper in his shell like!;)
blueskip
Blueskip,perhaps you can be the first one on here to explain exactly how this golden mile will help you catch more fish,perhaps things are different up your way but down here if there was a golden mile it would mean bigger boats,more effort,bigger catch,more discards and a full uptake of monthly quota's on all species(not normally acheived on small boats).Apart from harrasing the smallest and most sustainable sector in the fishing industry,probably for les than 1% of the TAC is caught within a mile of the shore,you are making enemies with your best potential allies.

[obe1]

The magna Carta gives all Englishmen the right to fish our shores for free - rumour had it that King John was a keen Sea Angler.

The magna carta has nothing to do with sea fishing. A public right to fish dates to the Digest of Justinian, a Byzantine legal codification, in the sixth century AD, over a thousand years before the magna carta.

Joe

[Skizz]

I've just read this interesting article about fish conservation, and how it is managed in Florida.
http://www.electricbluefishing.com/e...007ornever.htm

Some interesting proposals:
No commercial fishing within 3 miles of the shore.
No gill netting within territorial waters.
Bag limits.
Sportfishing fishery patrols.
Harsh penalties: i.e. vessels sold at auction
etc etc.

Radical stuff!

Also, how about:
Leave the EEC.
Sink any foreign commercials within our 12 mile T.W.

[soakingwet]

[QUOTE=Skizz;1073131]I've just read this interesting article about fish conservation, and how it is managed in Florida.
http://www.electricbluefishing.com/e...007ornever.htm

Some interesting proposals:
No commercial fishing within 3 miles of the shore.
No gill netting within territorial waters.
Bag limits.
Sportfishing fishery patrols.
Harsh penalties: i.e. vessels sold at auction
etc etc.

Radical stuff!

Now that's the way to do it. Our feeble gutless Government would never implement such measures for fear of upsetting the netters.
They don't give a stuff about recreational anglers, we are just a nuicance at the moment.

[excel]

this is just a sop to stop anglers whining and to stop them from becoming stakeholders and having a say.


All the environmental/animal groups will soon stop access to beaches after the marine bill becomes law. The beaches will be so heavilly protected because of their fauna and flora they`ll be no place for anglers.

More than one way to skin a cat.

[blueskip]

Blueskip,perhaps you can be the first one on here to explain exactly how this golden mile will help you catch more fish,perhaps things are different up your way but down here if there was a golden mile it would mean bigger boats,more effort,bigger catch,more discards and a full uptake of monthly quota's on all species(not normally acheived on small boats).Apart from harrasing the smallest and most sustainable sector in the fishing industry,probably for les than 1% of the TAC is caught within a mile of the shore,you are making enemies with your best potential allies.

The imposition of a GM would mean bigger boats? a GM would mean NO BOATS as far as I understand it, (unless of course there was an amendment for sustainable fishing, such as rod caught, handlined, etc) & of course potting would still carry on.
What it would do, is stop the constant ploughing up of the seabed (the evidence of which we see regularly on here) & where most of OUR fishing is done, both shore & boat. The vast majority of us dont steam off 12 miles to mid channel wrecks, we usually fish close inshore, inside this GM you are so set against. We just dont want you & your 40+footers ploughing up the inshore seabed when its too rough to go outside, or when you hear that the plaice/sole/bass have arrived around the inshore marks. What you do outside 6 miles doesn't DIRECTLY affect me, its what you do within spitting distance of the shore that p****s me & a lot of others off, go & drag your rockhoppers & your ticklers around offshore & leave the inshore seabed alone!
In the words of the prophet "with friends like you, a man needs no enemies".;)
blueskip

[albe2]

The imposition of a GM would mean bigger boats? a GM would mean NO BOATS as far as I understand it, (unless of course there was an amendment for sustainable fishing, such as rod caught, handlined, etc) & of course potting would still carry on.
What it would do, is stop the constant ploughing up of the seabed (the evidence of which we see regularly on here) & where most of OUR fishing is done, both shore & boat. The vast majority of us dont steam off 12 miles to mid channel wrecks, we usually fish close inshore, inside this GM you are so set against. We just dont want you & your 40+footers ploughing up the inshore seabed when its too rough to go outside, or when you hear that the plaice/sole/bass have arrived around the inshore marks. What you do outside 6 miles doesn't DIRECTLY affect me, its what you do within spitting distance of the shore that p****s me & a lot of others off, go & drag your rockhoppers & your ticklers around offshore & leave the inshore seabed alone!
In the words of the prophet "with friends like you, a man needs no enemies".;)
blueskip
The gm would see the end of the smallest netting boats so most fishermen would upgrade to something more capable of fishing outside a mile,hence more effort on stocks.
If you seriously beleive that what happens outside six miles does not affect you then you really do not have a clue what you are on about,do some research or maybe ask gus nicely and he might explain how it all works.

[Devonian]

A golden mile would get rid of a lot of these little part time cowboy fishermen who go and lay gill nets all over the place. A golden mile would also mean that many areas could hardly be netted at all ... Torbay springs to mind ... if there was a golden mile around the bay any nets could only be set in the middle of it which is not where the fish are ... Torbay would be free of gill nets as would many other locations. Also trawlers would be unable to trawl close to shore causing huge damage to marine life close in where it is prolific ( or should be)

[Skizz]

The gm would see the end of the smallest netting boats so most fishermen would upgrade to something more capable of fishing outside a mile,hence more effort on stocks.
If you seriously beleive that what happens outside six miles does not affect you then you really do not have a clue what you are on about,do some research or maybe ask gus nicely and he might explain how it all works.

Albe, I think you should read this.

Particularly the bits at the end about the conservation benefits, and commercial fishing benefits of a GM (or more).

http://www.sacn.org.uk/Articles/The_Golden_Mile.html

[CHEECH AND CHONG]

As if we were going to pay the government to fish anyways! Tackle is dear enough without paying for for the privilege to use it aswell!

Two's up ya nobbers!! 1-0 for the people!

[blueskip]

Albe, I think you should read this.

Particularly the bits at the end about the conservation benefits, and commercial fishing benefits of a GM (or more).

http://www.sacn.org.uk/Articles/The_Golden_Mile.html

There is only one thing responsible for the decline of fish stocks, everybody knows what it is, except those who do it, & they try to claim its not their fault. Anybody with an IQ in double figures, knows that since the introduction of powered fishing vessels, the pressure on fish stocks has increased. The sea is designed to keep its own equilibrium, imposed by the things that live in it, dog eat dog, but when you start to interfere with that balance, like dragging ****in great nets with powered vessels, you alter the status quo just a little bit.
No doubt angling would have an effect if it was the only means of catching, but I reckon it could cope quite easily with our effort without too much trouble.
But dont ask any of this lot to look at conservation benefits or anything, other than how to fill a hold asap, or how to catch the quota asap.
Albe I know about how the deep water fishing affects the inshore populations & recruitment, but stop throwing red herrings in all the time, by whingeing about "forcing little boats out" unless you are fishing sustainably, then that's exactly what we want to do, pick up your trawling sh1t, & split!
Tomorrow a GM, followed by a "root & branch" investigation into sensible ASYs & TACs up to 12 miles, then withdrawal from the CFP, then we march on France, Belgium, Holland, Russia, "RSAs uber alles"
blueskip

[sharpshooter]

There is only one thing responsible for the decline of fish stocks, everybody knows what it is, except those who do it, & they try to claim its not their fault. Anybody with an IQ in double figures, knows that since the introduction of powered fishing vessels, the pressure on fish stocks has increased. The sea is designed to keep its own equilibrium, imposed by the things that live in it, dog eat dog, but when you start to interfere with that balance, like dragging ****in great nets with powered vessels, you alter the status quo just a little bit.
No doubt angling would have an effect if it was the only means of catching, but I reckon it could cope quite easily with our effort without too much trouble.
But dont ask any of this lot to look at conservation benefits or anything, other than how to fill a hold asap, or how to catch the quota asap.
Albe I know about how the deep water fishing affects the inshore populations & recruitment, but stop throwing red herrings in all the time, by whingeing about "forcing little boats out" unless you are fishing sustainably, then that's exactly what we want to do, pick up your trawling sh1t, & split!
Tomorrow a GM, followed by a "root & branch" investigation into sensible ASYs & TACs up to 12 miles, then withdrawal from the CFP, then we march on France, Belgium, Holland, Russia, "RSAs uber alles"
blueskip

I'll have a pint of what he's drinking!!
Ha!!

[blueskip]

I'll have a pint of what he's drinking!!
Ha!!

"Old Peculiar"! Ron not a ****in word!:shutup:
blueskip

[albe2]

There is only one thing responsible for the decline of fish stocks, everybody knows what it is, except those who do it, & they try to claim its not their fault. Anybody with an IQ in double figures, knows that since the introduction of powered fishing vessels, the pressure on fish stocks has increased. The sea is designed to keep its own equilibrium, imposed by the things that live in it, dog eat dog, but when you start to interfere with that balance, like dragging ****in great nets with powered vessels, you alter the status quo just a little bit.
No doubt angling would have an effect if it was the only means of catching, but I reckon it could cope quite easily with our effort without too much trouble.
But dont ask any of this lot to look at conservation benefits or anything, other than how to fill a hold asap, or how to catch the quota asap.
Albe I know about how the deep water fishing affects the inshore populations & recruitment, but stop throwing red herrings in all the time, by whingeing about "forcing little boats out" unless you are fishing sustainably, then that's exactly what we want to do, pick up your trawling sh1t, & split!
Tomorrow a GM, followed by a "root & branch" investigation into sensible ASYs & TACs up to 12 miles, then withdrawal from the CFP, then we march on France, Belgium, Holland, Russia, "RSAs uber alles"
blueskip
Blueskip,as you well know ,the only trawling i do is through your ridiculous posts looking for sense.

[Why Worry Angling Charters]

There is only one thing responsible for the decline of fish stocks, everybody knows what it is, except those who do it, & they try to claim its not their fault. Anybody with an IQ in double figures, knows that since the introduction of powered fishing vessels, the pressure on fish stocks has increased. The sea is designed to keep its own equilibrium, imposed by the things that live in it, dog eat dog, but when you start to interfere with that balance, like dragging ****in great nets with powered vessels, you alter the status quo just a little bit.
No doubt angling would have an effect if it was the only means of catching, but I reckon it could cope quite easily with our effort without too much trouble.
But dont ask any of this lot to look at conservation benefits or anything, other than how to fill a hold asap, or how to catch the quota asap.
Albe I know about how the deep water fishing affects the inshore populations & recruitment, but stop throwing red herrings in all the time, by whingeing about "forcing little boats out" unless you are fishing sustainably, then that's exactly what we want to do, pick up your trawling sh1t, & split!
Tomorrow a GM, followed by a "root & branch" investigation into sensible ASYs & TACs up to 12 miles, then withdrawal from the CFP, then we march on France, Belgium, Holland, Russia, "RSAs uber alles"
blueskip

Npw I know you have completely lost the plot!...Why you keep going on about this Golden Mile mullarkey I really have no idea.You wont be getting it,it wont even be discussed so best to get over it.:ohmy:

[Why Worry Angling Charters]

this is just a sop to stop anglers whining and to stop them from becoming stakeholders and having a say.


All the environmental/animal groups will soon stop access to beaches after the marine bill becomes law. The beaches will be so heavilly protected because of their fauna and flora they`ll be no place for anglers.

More than one way to skin a cat.

And the quicker that happens Dave the better for the proper anglers.The quicker we put the likes of the 'Whinging brigade'out of business the better it will be for proper anglers to get on with there angling and be getting wound up by Blueskip and his 'GM Crusaders'They have had a result,No licence and they got the Tope for themselves,what more can they have?.....Nothing as far as DEFRA and I am concerned...And that's what counts!:)

[Dave Oldman]

thats all very well chaps but what about the likes of me?i couldn't give a toss about all this licence and golden mile crap etc.just wanna go fishing.

i don't whine or whinge or moan.just go beach and boat fishing and if it's crap,it's crap.

anyway,there's more fish about than people think on the beaches.u just gotta do it at the right time/conditions etc.

which i apparently don't!:laugh:

[Why Worry Angling Charters]

thats all very well chaps but what about the likes of me?i couldn't give a toss about all this licence and golden mile crap etc.just wanna go fishing.

i don't whine or whinge or moan.just go beach and boat fishing and if it's crap,it's crap.

anyway,there's more fish about than people think on the beaches.u just gotta do it at the right time/conditions etc.

which i apparently don't!:laugh:

Thats why I included 'Proper Anglers' in my post Dave.The problem is mate,these people that are calling for this crap all the time dont see the bigger picture,the one where someone takes it on themselves to just stop the beach angling,which in turn stops all the whinging.
What amazes me is how some anglers can have decent beach fishing and some couldn't catch a fish if it was thrown at them.....Some anglers just aren't as good as they like to think they are.:)
As you say there are more fish around the beaches than people think.

[sharpshooter]

What amazes me is how some anglers can have decent beach fishing and some couldn't catch a fish if it was thrown at them.....Some anglers just aren't as good as they like to think they are.:)
As you say there are more fish around the beaches than people think.

Look in the SW forum - record thornbacks being landed, as well as others just shy of the mark. We have some class anglers down here; guys that really know their stuff, and could no doubt teach many so called "top anglers" a thing or three; and i dont hear them going on and on and on and on and on.......
I just read their reports of specimen this, and lunking great that, specimen this.....
Maybe there are few fish about; and anglers can no longer just turn up, chuck in a baited hook and wait for huge fish to commit suicide?

I do belive that fish numbers have fallen; but I also believe there are plenty left to be had if you have the skills and the knowledge, and the inclination (sp?) to put the time and effort into catching them.


EDIT: Mis-quoted you there Ron - not aimed at you.

[stuartdv]

You should remember that The Labour Party has a huge loony left lobby within its membership...

:drunk:
Which Labour Party are you thinking of there then?

Loony lefty's such as myself left the "Labour" party in disgust years ago- and despite what you've said there never was and never will be a "huge loony left lobby within its membership"- unless your own political thought is to the right of Genghis Khan, in which case on a sliding scale you'd be right.

Thinking lefties generally try to preserve and protect the activities of fellow proles but middle class pinko liberals now dominate the Labour Party- who admittedly dont know their a*8e from their elbow.

[Skizz]

:drunk:
Which Labour Party are you thinking of there then?

Loony lefty's such as myself left the "Labour" party in disgust years ago- and despite what you've said there never was and never will be a "huge loony left lobby within its membership"- unless your own political thought is to the right of Genghis Khan, in which case on a sliding scale you'd be right.

Thinking lefties generally try to preserve and protect the activities of fellow proles but middle class pinko liberals now dominate the Labour Party- who admittedly dont know their a*8e from their elbow.

The Labour party I was thinking of, is the one that banned Fox Hunting.

[blueskip]

Npw I know you have completely lost the plot!...Why you keep going on about this Golden Mile mullarkey I really have no idea.You wont be getting it,it wont even be discussed so best to get over it.:ohmy:

Quote, "You have no chance of DEFRA changing their mind on the licence for sea angling, might just as well get over it, you like everybody else will buy one when they impose a few hefty fines"! Na na na na na!
Next the GM, "remember you saw it here first".;)
blueskip

[roddytoo]

Glad its scrapped, would not be so bad if we could be sure the money would not just disappear into the bottomless government pit. If it was used to benefit the fish, environment etc, that would be different, but we all know that is unlikely.

[shaggy]

thats good news but not end of it if this goverment anything too go by ,i see excel talking c@ap as usual where in marine bill does say anything about stoping people going too beaches?fishing or doning anything else ,ron you no not all of us as god as some anglers put we all have right too to go fishing .shaggy

[Cromcruaich]

That's great in my opinion. It means that holiday anglers and day trip anglers will still get the chance to start Sea Fishing, without first getting a license - good old Magna Carta!!!:)

Getting the holiday anglers to pack it in was one of the few positive things that may of come out of it. Though they arnt alone in being guilty of carrier bags of dead mackerel in the sun and litter our shorelines.

[mikev8]

Licence now or licence later i'm still fishing and i'm not paying. I'd like to see the bailif try and take my tackle and details especially balancing on a rock in surf 300 yards out to sea. I pay my freshwater licence and I believe in it, but not saltwater. The gov didn't put the sea there and have done little to protect it in my opinion so i'm not paying them to use it.
You stand up for what you want yourself in this ****hole of a country nowdays.
Up the revolution.

[blueskip]

Licence now or licence later i'm still fishing and i'm not paying. I'd like to see the bailif try and take my tackle and details especially balancing on a rock in surf 300 yards out to sea. I pay my freshwater licence and I believe in it, but not saltwater. The gov didn't put the sea there and have done little to protect it in my opinion so i'm not paying them to use it.
You stand up for what you want yourself in this ****hole of a country nowdays.
Up the revolution.

Can we all have a turn at going up "revolution"? I like the sound of that!:whistling:
blueskip

[kato]

Getting the holiday anglers to pack it in was one of the few positive things that may of come out of it. Though they arnt alone in being guilty of carrier bags of dead mackerel in the sun and litter our shorelines.

Personally, I would like to encourage others into Sea Angling, not put them off by way of a Sea Angling Licence. I suspect that Tackle Dealers would struggle to survive without the element who buy tackle whilst holidaying - I suspect that many members of WSF picked up there first rod while on holiday and quite frequently questions are asked by novices who have just started fishing whilst on holiday. I could give many many reasons why we should encourage the next generation of Angler's to our Hobby, but most would be to obvious and probably be teaching people to suck eggs.

As for the rubbish issue, perhaps it is up to us as Angler's to educate fellow Angler's on the rights and wrongs of leaving rubbish strewn around the beach - personally, I have seen a lot of rubbish left in remote areas by angler's who are not holiday anglers but anglers who do know there stuff.