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flounder_al
27-03-2008, 21:05
We have a mini reservoir that we use for cooling water at the distillery and it has loads of wild brown trout in it. It is not on a river but is fed from a burn that runs through the site.
I have permission to fish it from our site manager as long as i don't damage anything.
My question is. Is there a season for wild trout and although i have permission from the site manager is that legal enough?
Davy Holt
27-03-2008, 21:30
We have a mini reservoir that we use for cooling water at the distillery and it has loads of wild brown trout in it. It is not on a river but is fed from a burn that runs through the site.
I have permission to fish it from our site manager as long as i don't damage anything.
My question is. Is there a season for wild trout and although i have permission from the site manager is that legal enough?
If I remember correctly the season for brownies is the 14th March through to the 10th October, so even fishing for them with permission out with the season is against the law.. sorry :(
but since it's after the 14th march it's OK :)
flounder_al
27-03-2008, 21:53
Cheers Davy. Time to bring out the fly rod :D
the season for wild brown trout doesn't start till the 25th of march and ends 25th oct.[from the 15th of march till 25th of march no rivers can be fished, think salmon and seatrout only].these do vary up down the country with dates in between these,depending on local water boards.in the lake district they start there season 1st april to end of sep.
if the company own the water or have the rights to it you can fish it.if the water board own it and hold the rights you will need to seek permisson from them.
ctwhitelaw
27-03-2008, 22:44
it starts 15 march
and ends 25 october mate
in beetween these dates u can fish anywhere for brown trout
but sometimes u might have to buy a permit depending on who the water belongs too
hope this helps
Craig
you can not fish rivers,they are closed for roughly for ten days.
date england 22march-30th september
scotland 15march-6 october
don't know wales
but it can be shorter depending on local athuroities
Davy Holt
27-03-2008, 23:07
you can not fish rivers,they are closed for roughly for ten days.
date england 22march-30th september
scotland 15march-6 october
don't know wales
but it can be shorter depending on local athuroities
As Al is up here it's the 15th March - 6th October (not bad I was only 4 days out) As for the rivers being closed for 10 days.. never heard of that one before.
yep in england its 5 days but where i live its local law its 10 days,i don't no why they don't have a fixed start and finish through out the british isles.
i rent a resi off water board,we can start fishing it on the 25 march but fish it longer than the standard season for england of another 25 days past the supposed season end.
Remember that Scotland has different fishery/fishing laws than England and Wales.
In Scotland complications arise if migratory fish can enter the fishery. If there are no migratory fish present and is in season and you have the owner of the fishing rights permission to fish, go for it!
gareth1234
28-03-2008, 13:09
horses mouth
don't use a float ,maggots or pellets or meat or corn ,check out your local bylaws
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(http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/255240/?version=1&lang=_e)Regional fisheries byelaws (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/271962/?version=1&lang=_e)
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Coarse fish close season byelaw (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/255178/?version=1&lang=_e)
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Keepnets, keepsacks and landing nets (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/255274/?version=1&lang=_e)
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Byelaw relating to use of lead weights by anglers National
Salmon byelaws (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/255222/?version=1&lang=_e)
Byelaws introduced in 1999
Salmon and sea trout catch returns (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/255654/?version=1&lang=_e)
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Close season for non-migratory trout (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/fish/246986/255175/255240/?version=1&lang=_e)
Rainbow trout and brown trout close season byelaws
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The number of rods that you can fish with
shadrapper
28-03-2008, 14:24
i used to fish the river ruel in argyll and you weren't allowed to fly fish it on sundays. not sure if thats a national rule or just a local one.
Davy Holt
28-03-2008, 14:46
Hiya,
horses mouth
Sorry Gareth.. you have the wrong horse, that's the England and Wales horse that was talking... as Al is up here (Scotland) we need to listen to the Scottish Horse talking.. not the England and Wales horse which knows nothing about fishing in Scotland :roll1:
i used to fish the river ruel in argyll and you weren't allowed to fly fish it on sundays. not sure if thats a national rule or just a local one.
Ruel contains migratory fish. It is illegal to fish for them in Scotland on Sundays.
gareth1234
28-03-2008, 17:00
Hiya,
Sorry Gareth.. you have the wrong horse, that's the England and Wales horse that was talking... as Al is up here (Scotland) we need to listen to the Scottish Horse talking.. not the England and Wales horse which knows nothing about fishing in Scotland :roll1:SCOTTISH HORSE :headhurt:
Fishing Close Seasons in Perthshire Scotland UK (http://www.fishingnet.com/close_seasons.htm)
relevant cut and paste
Fishing seasons for Salmon and Sea Trout (migratory fish) and for Brown Trout are regulated by law. This is done to protect the fish while they are breeding and to give them some respite from angling pressure at times when they are likely to be out of condition. The exact closed time may vary from river to river as spawning time is dependant on local conditions.
There are no closed seasons for coarse fish and rainbow trout in Scotland, but advisory closed seasons are given by the Freshwater Fisheries Laboratory. Many waters remain open during the winter for pike and grayling fishing. Rainbow trout, being non-indiginous are deemed under law to be private property. Permission should therefore be sought from the land owner.
so with landowners permission you would seem to be good to go Al...
udderman
29-03-2008, 20:46
my under standing for wild brown trout is that you can fish for them in scotland 7 days a week
the traveling man is permitted to take a brown trout from any unstocked water for lunch (but always better to seek permission)
season 15 march/ 6 october
You've got permission from the main man, the season has arrived,......so go and fill your boot's :fishing:
but no fishin for the wild ones on a Sunday :nono:
udderman
01-04-2008, 19:37
fishing for wild brownies on a sunday
oh yes you can
i posted this (Q) on another forum
(can you fish for brown trout on a sunday ?)
a gentleman from the "Dee District Salmon Fishery Board" an ex sergent in the police and 50 years of game fishing under his belt posted this reply
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: fishing law (Scotland)
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Hi Malky
Subject to possession of the riparian owner's permission to fish, to any Protection Order which may be in force, and to observance of the national close-season for brown trout, the answer is yes. Hope this helps. Dave
as you had me doubting myself, i have no need to doubt him.
fishing for wild brownies on a sunday
oh yes you can
i posted this (Q) on another forum
(can you fish for brown trout on a sunday ?)
a gentleman from the "Dee District Salmon Fishery Board" an ex sergent in the police and 50 years of game fishing under his belt posted this reply
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: fishing law (Scotland)
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Hi Malky
Subject to possession of the riparian owner's permission to fish, to any Protection Order which may be in force, and to observance of the national close-season for brown trout, the answer is yes. Hope this helps. Dave
as you had me doubting myself, i have no need to doubt him.
And at the same time any 'gentleman' game fisher will tell you that generally speaking you don't fish for game on a Sunday.
But then again i've only got 38 year's of game fishing experience under my belt so i could be wrong :D
Doppelganger
02-04-2008, 14:52
its illegal to fish for salmon on a sunday, not brown trout.
udderman
03-04-2008, 19:36
And at the same time any 'gentleman' game fisher will tell you that generally speaking you don't fish for game on a Sunday.
But then again i've only got 38 year's of game fishing experience under my belt so i could be wrong :D
to be sure morals/ethics will make a good angler in another anglers eyes
so my personal stance on fishing for brownnies on a sunday would be that i would not fish any water that has migratiory fish in it (salmon/seatrout)
as scotland has a good number of hill lochs i have a fair good scope to fulfill my passion to fish for that truly splendid little trout on sunday (with permit/permission and under scottish common law)
between me,you and dave that adds up to 130 years game fishing.
another personal stance; i would not presume that i was a gentleman. i will leave that to others to come to there own conclusions.
the traveling man is permitted to take a brown trout from any unstocked water for lunch (but always better to seek permission)
Are you serious? Have anything to back it up? If so, excellent.
And at the same time any 'gentleman' game fisher will tell you that generally speaking you don't fish for game on a Sunday.
But then again i've only got 38 year's of game fishing experience under my belt so i could be wrong :D I think the no fishing for trout on a sunday was mainly religious? Basically not fishing on the sabbath? Years ago a certain local parish council made up of religous church and chapel elders summonsed 2 young lads for playing football on a sunday! But this is going back a very long time when most country people worked on the land and were tied to the lords of the manor and the church!:ohmy:
Are you serious? Have anything to back it up? If so, excellent.
But it's lunchtime only, especially on a Sunday :bleh:
happy hibee
15-04-2008, 14:56
We have a mini reservoir that we use for cooling water at the distillery and it has loads of wild brown trout in it. It is not on a river but is fed from a burn that runs through the site.
I have permission to fish it from our site manager as long as i don't damage anything.
My question is. Is there a season for wild trout and although i have permission from the site manager is that legal enough?
in scotland the brown trout season runs from the 15th of march until the 6th of october . you can fish for them on a sunday the only fish you cannot take on a sunday in rivers are migratory , IE salmon & sea trout , however some rivers do not allow you to fish on a sunday this is purely a localized rule to relieve pressure on fish stocks.
How many loch's, river's or burn's that are actually worth fishing on, do you not need a permit to fish i wonder.
How many loch's, river's or burn's that are actually worth fishing on, do you not need a permit to fish i wonder.
There's a few. More relavantly, there are lots worth fishing on where no one will ask if you have a permit, indeed their are many lochs where only one folk will fish them each year.
udderman
15-04-2008, 19:49
Are you serious? Have anything to back it up? If so, excellent.
not that i've researched the subject. i would say that it is one of those unwritten laws covered by "Scottish common law" dating back to the day of the drovers that traveled the length of the country
to be see on a river bank grilling a brown trout on an open fire in these days i'm sure would be met with a good few swearie word from all gamekeepers and land owners a like. even if done in a gentlemanly manor.
and to quote "Scottish common law" at them would more than likely bring them to the boil.
will it stand up in court i wouldn't like to say. on a personal note i wont be trying it out as i have an oven at home
its a very gray area
milkman; how many loch, rivers etc
haven seen a brown trout coming out of a stream that was in spate and no more than 2' wide of just under the 1lb mark i would say that there is too many to mention. the true wild brown trout is not to be expected to be that big ( as i'm sure you don't need me tell you)
its a funny old game this fishing lark, sometimes you just never know the moment.
permits and permission can be got to fish loch, river etc on a sunday
i have an oven at home
its a very gray area
I take it the smoke alarm doesn't work too well then :D
udderman
16-04-2008, 18:54
well milkman as i see it
:lmao::lmao: i'm liking your sense of humour
[QUOTE=udderman;1112604] the true wild brown trout is not to be expected to be that big ( as i'm sure you don't need me tell you)QUOTE]
Fish size varies massively from loch to loch. I go hill loch fishing, which is great. One day, we fished bunch of lochs - a loch, nothing, another - a small trout - another - nothing - another - a 5lb trout and a brace of 2lbers between two of us. If the fishings not good, you just move to the next one.
udderman
17-04-2008, 20:03
[QUOTE=udderman;1112604] the true wild brown trout is not to be expected to be that big ( as i'm sure you don't need me tell you)QUOTE]
Fish size varies massively from loch to loch. I go hill loch fishing, which is great. One day, we fished bunch of lochs - a loch, nothing, another - a small trout - another - nothing - another - a 5lb trout and a brace of 2lbers between two of us. If the fishings not good, you just move to the next one.
there no disputing that
as most hill loch will have large stock of fish in relation to the amount of feed available the average size will be small.
so the small once will give a lot of pleasure (as i keep telling the F.P.O.) and make the day. if that 5 pounder comes along then blow me down.
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