Abu 6500 mag premium help needed

[cainez]

Hi...

I have recently purchased a new abu 6500 mag premium and after fishing around the forums have finally found out and understand what the knobs and sliders are for.

While reading through one post i came across someone with a mag elite(not premium) that said he had to install the centrifugal breaks which came in the bag with oil and spanner.

Is this the same for the premium as i didnt notice anything else in the bag bar the oil and spanner and threw it away, im praying it comes with them pre installed.

Ive been out with it twice and its casting fine but im worried that if they are not instaled that i may somehow be damaging the reel, im not clued up on the inside working of these things at all.

Any help from premium owners would be very welcome.

[thorns1988]

most abu's come with blocks installed (strange that lad who got them seperate in the box??) anyway just to be sure open the right hand side of your reel (three larger thumb screws) and it should be a white star shaped object with six pins with brakes fitted....

that lad might have been on about fitting brake blocks or and old style brake block setup to a new abu (alot of people do this as the new blocks are massive and even 1 has 2 much braking power)

Hope this helps

[Bungy]

Hi...

I have recently purchased a new abu 6500 mag premium and after fishing around the forums have finally found out and understand what the knobs and sliders are for.

While reading through one post i came across someone with a mag elite(not premium) that said he had to install the centrifugal breaks which came in the bag with oil and spanner.

Is this the same for the premium as i didnt notice anything else in the bag bar the oil and spanner and threw it away, im praying it comes with them pre installed.

Ive been out with it twice and its casting fine but im worried that if they are not instaled that i may somehow be damaging the reel, im not clued up on the inside working of these things at all.

Any help from premium owners would be very welcome.

Why throw them away, Spanner and oil very useful.
Have you taken the reel apart to check the Brake blocks, I suspect that on your reel they are the new version ,6 plastic blocks set on a sort of spider, that can be either released to give spool breaking or left fixed to be totally inoperative, They are fitted on the Right hand side of the spool. IF you are casting without difficulty without setting any centrifugal brakes either you are a very experienced caster or very lucky, Only you know, The blocks are usually preset in the OFF position, but can be released with minimal finger pressure, just slip the required number of blocks FREE of the fixed position, The only thing to take careful note of, is that you do not adjust the free spool tentioners to tight, . This will obviously eridacate any chance of an over run but will deform the spool spindle. You should have about 1/2 to 1 mill free play on the spool , less than this and its too tight. and will decrease casting distance and put a lot of wear on the ends of the spindle.
Gray

[cainez]

I havent turned any blocks on myself so if they are in the off position when bought then they still are. Im no expert caster but im very smooth so maybe ive been lucky so far. I got the oil and spanner, didnt throw them away just the bag they were in.

Should i open up the reel and turn some of these breaks on, is it a difficult process as i dont have a clue about the inside of these things, i dont want bit n bobs falling out all over the table without knowing where they go back. Thanks for the replys.

[Bungy]

I havent turned any blocks on myself so if they are in the off position when bought then they still are. Im no expert caster but im very smooth so maybe ive been lucky so far. I got the oil and spanner, didnt throw them away just the bag they were in.

Should i open up the reel and turn some of these breaks on, is it a difficult process as i dont have a clue about the inside of these things, i dont want bit n bobs falling out all over the table without knowing where they go back. Thanks for the replys.

Seriously suggest that you do. Centrifugal breaking is all part and parcel of the ABU set up. Suggest just releasing 2 blocks to start with. BUT the main thing is to ENSURE that the Free spool tentioners are not too tight. They should be factory set from new, so as long as you have not played with the end stops all should be fine. I have just checked my feeler guages, poss 1 mill is too much. Set the end play so that if you try and move the spool from left to right it JUST moves by a fraction, than that is OK. IF it wont move at all its too tight and will cause wear on the spool spindle, Sounds complicated, BUT if spool JUST moves left to right then there is no tension on the spindle. After that just adjust mag breaks to suit. Try a few gentle casts, then adjust Mag settings if necessary . I use the Mag elite Sport, and have my mags set at Zero. I also have the Chrome Rocket with only centrifugal breaks, and by setting it up as described have no problems at all.
Gray

[cainez]

Thanks for reply.

Going to turn on 3 to be safe. I did play around the with spool knobs but i have centered the spool by eye and left probrably about 1/4 of mill play in the spool. I understand that it can wear as u say if tightened, what i dont understand is why there is a gauge to set at zero when at no pressure and slight play then numbers up to 9? to me it looks like its designed to be tigtened up as a mechanical brake or should slight play be my 9 setting for the slider and then back down to 0 it gets slacker and has more play? Otherwise whats the nubered washer thing for, its a reference for something, as far as i can tell its a reference for that knob on it, meaning the knob can be adjusted between 0 and 9 and not just set and left, correct me if im wrong please.

Thanks again for the replys

[edisdead]

Thanks for reply.

Going to turn on 3 to be safe. I did play around the with spool knobs but i have centered the spool by eye and left probrably about 1/4 of mill play in the spool. I understand that it can wear as u say if tightened, what i dont understand is why there is a gauge to set at zero when at no pressure and slight play then numbers up to 9? to me it looks like its designed to be tigtened up as a mechanical brake or should slight play be my 9 setting for the slider and then back down to 0 it gets slacker and has more play? Otherwise whats the nubered washer thing for, its a reference for something, as far as i can tell its a reference for that knob on it, meaning the knob can be adjusted between 0 and 9 and not just set and left, correct me if im wrong please.

Thanks again for the replys


I have often wondered the same thing.
I usually use the 5 setting for the spool in 'neutral' play (slight spool movement) Then I turn it up to 9 you get the maximum amount of spool mechanical braking without damaging the spindle. If you then back it off to 2 you get a totally free running spool.

If you went from 0 to 9 I think you would seriously damage the spindle.

There are 2 pieces of copper in the end caps to take the strain. If new they will have the tiniest dent in the middle. If the endcaps have been tightened up too much they will probably have huge dents in them. Take the left end cap off and have a look.:bye1:

[bluejt2000]

The end tension braking system was designed for casting lures - the original purpose for which these reels were designed - where the tension is set to allow the lure to be cast without the spool over-running when it hits the water. After experimenting to get the correct tension the ring is set with the zero opposite the arrow on the knob. It can then be increased or decreased to suit conditions/different weights of lures, etc.

It was NOT designed for banging out 5-6oz leads and is redundant as far as beach fishing is concerned. (I wish ABU would mention this in their instructions, it would save a lot of confusion.)

Besides, with the option of mag brakes plus 6 brake blocks, who needs it?

Most people manage perfectly well without any blocks activated at all, though novices might want to use one or two at first as a safety measure. If you're managing fine without them, then I'd suggest you just carry on with things as they are.

John

[edisdead]

Thanks for the explanation john, but I still don't see how a lure could need a setting of 9 if 0 is a free running spool (unless you wee casting 25oz lures :black_eye :hypocrite :black_eye :hypocrite :black_eye)

ed

[bluejt2000]

Thanks for the explanation john, but I still don't see how a lure could need a setting of 9 if 0 is a free running spool :black_eye :hypocrite :black_eye :hypocrite :black_eye)

ed

Neither do I. You'd have to ask ABU if you want any further explanantion. Perhaps the rest of the numbers are just there to fill the space up. I just know that that mechanical braking is redundant for beach casting. Moreover, as mag elite spools have inboard bearings you'd risk damaging them by side pressure if you were to use it. This has been discussed before so you can check out other posts for confirmation.

John