Topcat ~ Lossiemouth ~ 21/9/08 - Moray Boat Meet

[bigads]

Ok Lads I've provisionally booked at day with Bill on the Topcat for the 21st Sept. Weather permitting we are going to head a good few miles off shore to area where they scuttle boats, which isn't touched. There are few private boats hitting the area with great results. If the weather isn't good we'll be confined to the inshore reefs.

Boat costs £400 for the day (8hr+) and can take 12 anglers.

Cost will be divided up amongst the number going.

Whos in?

1 Bigads
2 Adeys
3 Iluv2fish
4 Rockfisher1
5 Martyb
6 Tamoshanter
7 Udderman
8 My old man :D
9 Sharpie
10 Thundercat
11 Chefangler
12 Sharpies m8 (kenny)

[ade]

i'll go for that

i assume its mixed spieces

[bigads]

Good point Adeys, main target will be cod and ling.....and pretty much whatever else is biting :fish:

[ILUV2FISH]

me and rockfisher1 are up for that if ok

[ade]

will u be askin for a deposit when u get a crew of 12

[Thornback]

bill will do you proud lads have a good trip:ph34r:

[stevejc1956]

I WISH
i,m bloody offshore that date, otherwise i,d love to put some faces to the names i see all the time.
i,ll catch up one day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigads]

will u be askin for a deposit when u get a crew of 12

I'll see how many put their names down first Ade

[bigads]

me and rockfisher1 are up for that if ok

I've added the 2 of you to the list....cheers lads

[MARTYB]

ill defo be in.

[MARTYB]

big ads if your short of rods i know i can get more people.

[udderman]

bigads i'll grab a place as the date works for me (please)

[tamoshanter]

i would be up for that!

[blindog]

Fraid i'm Offshore for that one Adam :(

[SHARPIE]

adam if there's a space i'll be there

[thundercat]

if there is space left sign me up

[bigads]

2 spots left if anyone wants to go.

Thanks for the offer of gear Marty but I think everyone has their own, perhaps anyone needing gear could post up.

I should also add that if we make if off shore we will be in deep water about 150ft + so make sure you are all spooled up with braid.

Does everyone know what rigs to bring....remember daylight dosen't make it down that far. Drop me a PM if you are unsure.

[theferg]

I would love to have filled one of those spots, but I am on a sponsored Mountain Bike ride for Cancer Research on the 21st Sept, dragging my bike and my aged hurting body through Glenfiddich, Glenlivet and Glen Rinnes. I am taking my Brother-in-law (new to seafishing) out on Topcat on Wednesday because I know that he will catch some decent fish! Sound like a good day enjoy!

[Johnnygm7lsi]

Hi Adam, I`m up for that trip but never fished from a boat before. Would I need to buy special gear???????????????????????///

[bigads]

Hi Adam, I`m up for that trip but never fished from a boat before. Would I need to buy special gear???????????????????????///

Hi Johnny...I thought you'd fallen of the face of the earth m8 :D

Get yourself a 300yd spool of braid from ebay...whiplash pro or power pro they are both about 20 quid.

Pirks will work also the jumbo hokkais also bait rigs 4/0 and 5/0 kinda size hooks, glow beads might be useful.

12oz leads make your pirks a 1lb.

[bigads]

1 space left....any takers?

[Fly Man]

Cant make the trip Bigads, goin to dundee with my son, but I would`nt mind helping Theferg with his trip though glenlivet, glenmorangie, glendronach or glenfidich ( my favourite ) any time he likes, :drunk::drunk::D

[bigads]

Cant make the trip Bigads, goin to dundee with my son, but I would`nt mind helping Theferg with his trip though glenlivet, glenmorangie, glendronach or glenfidich ( my favourite ) any time he likes, :drunk::drunk::D

HHmmmmmm....WSF crimbo day out :D :drunk:

[bigads]

Spoke to Bill the skipper and I got the depth of water wrong...its about 90m. He has other marks we can try in the area too that are rough ground.

Meet time will be at 8am on the sunday sailing by 8:30 back in harbour by 6ish.

[ade]

i'll be comming up the day before not too bad for a b&b

if u want deposite i'll give u mine on 25th

[bigads]

The boat is full now gents, many thanks.

[rockfisher1]

when do u want some money the other matter is in hand just waiting on dave to see if there is a boat

[bigads]

I'll collect some deposits when I come back from Luce Bay next week lads...if thats ok.

[ade]

whats happening about deposits etc .........

[thundercat]

big fella i am on course for two weeks as of friday but i am still up for it mate no worries

[bigads]

Don't bother with deposits guys....I trust you all.

The cost will be £35 that includes a couple quid for a sweep. 400/12 gives me 33.3333333 so it easier to do it that way if we are all in agreement.

[thundercat]

i am well in for that mate

[udderman]

1st class ads

i now have everybody's weights so please remember your pennies :thumbs:

weights supplied by scottishshoreangler (arthur) him self so the sick kid will be a wee bit happier

thanking you

[tamoshanter]

sounds good to me lets hope we get some good weather :sun:

[ILUV2FISH]

Sounds good to me. udderman just noticed pm about weights if you can still get them me and rockfisher1 will take a tenners worth

[ade]

just one other thing what rigs are best up that way ?
n hook sizes will it be catch n release or can we take the odd fish

[ILUV2FISH]

Think bigads was saying the jumbo hokkais would work best and size 4/0 and 5/0 bait rigs,hoping to take some cod home.

[bigads]

Yep hokkais will work or just straight baits on bare hooks. Take pirks, i'll be trying shads too. Its hard to say what will deffo work guys so if you have any other ideas try them out. We are hoping to hit a spot few anglers have.

If we get stuck inshore then just your standard reef rigs are fine, like the stuff you'd use at arbroath or scrabby.

Adeys, you will be able to kee fish, infact some might not be able to go back because their bladders are blown.

[ade]

i got plenty o them and gummi mac's
i'll take some pirks too

[MARTYB]

cant go wrong with baited muppets. we used to catch box loads of big cod on plain white feathers from ballintore.

[udderman]

Sounds good to me. udderman just noticed pm about weights if you can still get them me and rockfisher1 will take a tenners worth

nae prob sir i'll have extra

[bigads]

Is everybody sorted? Gear, leads etc.

Its pretty important we all use braid if possible.....if we get out to the deep mark.

:thumbs:

[ILUV2FISH]

Still got braid to get and making up some pirks this weekend.Hoping we get good weather and get to the wrecks:boat: What size braid would i be best to get.

[ade]

i got plenty of braid i dont think u can beat deep sea fishing
whats sort of depths 300+ ?

[SHARPIE]

braid is in the post


will make up some bait rigs etc etc and malky is supplying the leads:clap3:

[bigads]

i got plenty of braid i dont think u can beat deep sea fishing
whats sort of depths 300+ ?

It's not the Sound of Mull Ade lol...............90m so about 220 odd feet at the deepest something like that.

[thundercat]

no braid or pirks bugger need to sell wife to finance this trip. will see what i can lay my hands on but being away i will find it hard to get shopping. will conventional tackle do ie thirty pound mono and normal hooks do have shads and hokies as well plus a twenty to thirtylb rod.
not been on the boats for fifteen years so tackle geared around shore any advice more than welcomed for this trip please

hhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllppppppppppp :wacko: :wacko:

[ade]

no braid or pirks bugger need to sell wife to finance this trip. will see what i can lay my hands on but being away i will find it hard to get shopping. will conventional tackle do ie thirty pound mono and normal hooks do have shads and hokies as well plus a twenty to thirtylb rod.
not been on the boats for fifteen years so tackle geared around shore any advice more than welcomed for this trip please

hhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllppppppppppp :wacko: :wacko:

ths might help u for hokkies
if your stuck for braid why not ue one of the skippers rods just an idea
http://seatackle.co.uk/Default.aspx?go=ProductDisplay&ProductID=5974

[thundercat]

got about ten of them already mate. i will see what i can for braid but if push come to shove i will chat with bill and use one of his reels.

cheers mate

scott

[MARTYB]

ive done boat fishing in lots of places and never found a reason to why id change over to braid. ive used both and am not convinced. there are some pluses to braid but its down to personal preference.

[udderman]

things to come

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YGoutfubJpk&feature=related

one can dream

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bMb9C4GkCSQ

one lives in hope and anticipation

[ade]

id rather have a good haddie better fight

tryin to decide what rod to take
20-30 or 12-18 or 15-20

[MARTYB]

12-18 you not going to get a shark.

[SHARPIE]

dont bet on it :fish:

[Davy Holt]

Hiya marty,

ive done boat fishing in lots of places and never found a reason to why id change over to braid. ive used both and am not convinced. there are some pluses to braid but its down to personal preference.

Take a 10oz torpedo lead, put it on a rod with nylon and you wont feel it hit the bottom in 90m, nor will you feel most bites.

however take the same lead and use it with braid and not only can you feel the lead touch bottom, but you can feel the lead fall on it's side when you let a bit more line out. When using braid you can even feel a poor cod bite in 400'.

[MARTYB]

I WAS USING A 6OZ IN ETIVE AND COULD FEEL IT HIT THE BOTTOM NO BOTHER AT ALL DAVY. plus was catching pout, poor cod and gurnard and feeling all there bites. with twenty pound red ice. i think this is a mith put out there to get people to buy braid. im not saying braids not good but nylon aint that bad.

[theguyfulla]

I WAS USING A 6OZ IN ETIVE AND COULD FEEL IT HIT THE BOTTOM NO BOTHER AT ALL DAVY. plus was catching pout, poor cod and gurnard and feeling all there bites. with twenty pound red ice. i think this is a mith put out there to get people to buy braid. im not saying braids not good but nylon aint that bad.

if you were using 6 oz in etive you could have went down to 2 oz with braid , not just all advantages of bite detection etc as has been said before but mixing both braid and mono on a boat is a recipe for lots of tangles , hey but if yer that keen on mono go for it :thumbs:

[thundercat]

i am now fishing southampton next weekend so going to pop into mate tackle shop and get some braid. sounds like it is the way to go and i do not want to p?ss anyone off with tangled lines. see you all when i get back

scott

[thegooseman]

everybody to their own but braid is the way to go ive fished 500ft with 70lb braid and anither rod with 50lb mono u will see doggy\spur bites on the braid but no the mono

[silverking]

Me and thegooseman lost several skate 1 day when our new 60lb dyneema braid kept snapping(bought from uk hooks)did pull test found it would break as low as 15lb pressure so pay a bit more for top braids like dynon and stren you will save on tackle and get more fish to the boat thats what its all about.

[peterthefisherman]

Have used various braids - never had the snapping problem however on charter boats you can get in to tangles or pulled up against the underside of the boat this can cause weaknesses that break under stress
I like powerpro or whiplash - and used to use fireline though it is a bit thicker
Most of my reels now have braid on them

[MARTYB]

i can see why braid has its advantages especfially in deep water going for skate. but in everyday fishing from a boat im yet to be convinced there is any advantage.

[sultzer]

i can see why braid has its advantages especfially in deep water going for skate. but in everyday fishing from a boat im yet to be convinced there is any advantage.

i used to use mono , but after peter gave me loan of his reel at etive in jan the difference is great.
takes a bit of getting used to.

[bigads]

i can see why braid has its advantages especfially in deep water going for skate. but in everyday fishing from a boat im yet to be convinced there is any advantage.

If we were going over the inshore reefs the it wouldn't matter a great deal tbh marty. But we will be drifting an area about 90m/ 270ft deep so avoiding tangles and using as little lead as possible is useful. We might even try anchoring...not 100% sure yet...see what the weather is like and how good the fishing is.


BTW Everyone - We might be able to locate some haddock so take the rigs you'd normally use inshore!

[MARTYB]

i always chose my lead to the strength of tide. does using braid mean you can use a smaller weight?.

[Johnnygm7lsi]

Hi Adam, I`m just back from a week at Finechty campsite, had a great week. I had such a good time I booked a long weekend for 2 weeks time but when I get home I realised it was the same weekend as the topcat trip, so if anyones waiting for a cancellation and wants to take my place your welcome to it. If nobody take up the offer Adam I`ll still go, I`ll just nip up to Lossiemouth for the Sunday.

[bigads]

Hi Adam, I`m just back from a week at Finechty campsite, had a great week. I had such a good time I booked a long weekend for 2 weeks time but when I get home I realised it was the same weekend as the topcat trip, so if anyones waiting for a cancellation and wants to take my place your welcome to it. If nobody take up the offer Adam I`ll still go, I`ll just nip up to Lossiemouth for the Sunday.

I have 2 back ups johnny, I'll get back to you.

[bigads]

i always chose my lead to the strength of tide. does using braid mean you can use a smaller weight?.

Aye you can use much less lead due to the diameter, it drags much less in the tide and when the boar drifts. You can feel everything too because it has no stretch. Pull a few yards of mono off your reel and see how much it stretches, braid has no stretch worth mentioning.

[MARTYB]

i get the stretching bit. can you not just use thin mono. nobodys ever explained this to me so im just curious. there is nothing worse than getting tangled on boats. when fishing in australia all the charter boats wouldnt look at braid and that was in much deeper water. when i asked why they just said mono is better. same when i fished in canada. im quite happy to use either. what thickness of braid is reckomended.

[SHARPIE]

well i've just loaded my slosh 20 with 30lb powerpro and from what i can see its about the same if not less diameter than 15lb red ice

[udderman]

well i'm is waiting on 80lb coming

mmmmm will i get it on me reel

[rockfisher1]

whare is the best place to get it from never used it before::

[ade]

im using 50lb braid which is the thickness to 12lb line

[SHARPIE]

latest from metcheck



Sun 21 Sep 0:00 5:59 9 °c 6 °c 1007 mb 5.2 mm 100 % 16 mph
6:00 11:59 9 °c 6 °c 1006 mb 10.5 mm 100 % 15 mph
12:00 17:59 9 °c 6 °c 1009 mb 14.1 mm 100 % 15 mph
18:00 23:59 9 °c 6 °c 1009 mb 8.3 mm 100 % 14 mph

[bigads]

Who was it that wanted to bring a m8?

[SHARPIE]

Who was it that wanted to bring a m8?



me but he's on the list unless you mean someone else?

[bigads]

me but he's on the list unless you mean someone else?

Aye there was another person asking.....must be in a pm somewhere. HHmmmm :g:

[bigads]

Hi Adam, I`m just back from a week at Finechty campsite, had a great week. I had such a good time I booked a long weekend for 2 weeks time but when I get home I realised it was the same weekend as the topcat trip, so if anyones waiting for a cancellation and wants to take my place your welcome to it. If nobody take up the offer Adam I`ll still go, I`ll just nip up to Lossiemouth for the Sunday.

Chefangler will be joining us in Johnnys place.

[Johnnygm7lsi]

Thanks for that Adam, saved me the trek up to Lossie, have a good one and good luck to Chefangler, like I said, if nobody took my place i wouldn`t have backed out. Cheers, Johnny.

[udderman]

alright lads now i.ve got a :black_eye and the f.p.o. is a bit stressed :wabash: as iv got me braid and a new boat reel and i must be due a kick up the jacksay so as i get the rest of the gear together i'll be watching the weather

whats a good wind and whats a bad wind up that end

[bigads]

Nae wind is a good wind :boat:

[udderman]

Nae wind is a good wind :boat:

so dose that mean that we need nae wind

[bigads]

so dose that mean that we need nae wind

We really want them as light as possible to get offshore, otherwise we are restricted to inshore which would be a pest.

[udderman]

:thumbs::thumbs:
We really want them as light as possible to get offshore, otherwise we are restricted to inshore which would be a pest.

[tamoshanter]

long range forcast is no rain wind 6mph!

[ILUV2FISH]

Its looking good but you know what weather forecasts are like

[ade]

your really gonna have to wait till next sunday
i got me a nice b&b just down the road so im wondering wether to have a evening sesh on saturday

[SHARPIE]

:unsure:saturday evening could be cullen for me or possibly kingston

[bigads]

Is everybody ready? I'm still making a few rigs up and have some pirks to prepare.

Mind guys be there for 8am so we can get cracking. Keep praying to the weather gods too :D

[udderman]

getting ready

well as i'm off fri, sat,sun, and monday
fri = is get ready
sat = dig bait (with bait dug i always have to have a wee go at some thing so a wee sesh sat night)
sun = lossiemouth here we come
monday = is marvel in the antics of the days fishing

come on !!!!!!!!!!!

[ade]

Is everybody ready? I'm still making a few rigs up and have some pirks to prepare.

Mind guys be there for 8am so we can get cracking. Keep praying to the weather gods too :D

nope i havent got anything ready yet been setting up new fish tank


weather
looks like we got some hi preassure on the way 3mph winds for sunday
unless anyone eats baked beans between time

[MARTYB]

its looking good for sunday westerly all we need is fash.

[bigads]

its looking good for sunday westerly all we need is fash.

Yep its looking great Marty, I was on the phone to Bill yesterday and he's confident we'll get to the area we want. There are still mackerel around too so bait won't be a problem.

I'll PM you all on saturday and just confirm all is well.

Does anybody need any gear? Was I not lending a rod to someone?

[ade]

im leaving at about 3ish on saturday

[MARTYB]

i heard bigads is giving us all a full english before the trip if we say hes the best angler. well i say your a god damn legend with a rod bigads and ill have bacon eggs sausage mushrooms mmmmmmmmmmmm.

[ade]

i heard bigads is giving us all a full english before the trip if we say hes the best angler. well i say your a god damn legend with a rod bigads and ill have bacon eggs sausage mushrooms mmmmmmmmmmmm.

mmmmmmmmm


ummm what other bait should i bring i got mussels,razor,steamer clam
{and a good load of asda out of date prawns unshelled } which i though would be good for the haddies :fish: if theres any about

[MARTYB]

i used those prawns last week up in scrabby and never had a touch. they normally work to but not a touch. the only bait that seem to work was fresh mackie. the lug was getting robbed of the hook.

[udderman]

i heard bigads is giving us all a full english before the trip if we say hes the best angler. well i say your a god damn legend with a rod bigads and ill have bacon eggs sausage mushrooms mmmmmmmmmmmm.

no beans for me as we dont want it to be windy

[thundercat]

adds i big hokies but no perks that should do. so i do not need to dig bait sat morning then ???

[bigads]

adds i big hokies but no perks that should do. so i do not need to dig bait sat morning then ???

Dig yourself a few lug just incase, get a box of squid too. If pirks are doing the buisness then I'll lend you one.we should get plenty mackys tho

[ade]

for pirks im using my weights but i have some shiney tape with a hook on it
it worked in norway with the ling

[thundercat]

ok mate i can put something together if needed

[ade]

is there anywhere to buy squid around town or i was gonna take a fork but if we'r going deep not gonna be much point in lugs or raggies

[thundercat]

i am popping into town tommorrow mate and if you want me to get you a box or two i will. i will be digging lug tomorrow if you want to join me, let me know mate and i will pick you up just pm me your b&b post code . if you want to pm me i will give you my phone number mate and arange a time

[ade]

right im off see u lot tomorrow
if theres any change in anythink the wife'll txt me

[MARTYB]

is there anywhere you can get a bacon roll in the morning before hand near elgin.

[bigads]

We are on for the morn, see you all at 8 am.

Bacon roll........I wish

[MARTYB]

i take it its a easy place to find.

[SHARPIE]

drive into elgin follow the signs for lossiemouth (turn left at the halfords roundabout)

just follow the road until you see signs for the harbour, follow these and then just stop before you fall in!!!!!

the topcat is berthed in the far corner from the roadside

[SHARPIE]

oh you will get a mcdonalds breakfast or burger king but thats about it in elgin at that time on a sunday

[MARTYB]

excellent a burger. they open at half seven?

[bigads]

Hmm...good thinkin sharpie......macyd's

[Big Glen]

How were the catches on your trip lads ?

[ILUV2FISH]

Pretty poor

[Big Glen]

Sorry to hear that.

[MARTYB]

dont be it was good laugh.

[bigads]

Plus Ade had that cracking wolfie, its just the fish weren't feeding thats all.

[MARTYB]

Plus Ade had that cracking wolfie, its just the fish weren't feeding thats all.

have they ever been feeding on the moray coast.