90hp engine - Suzuki or Evinrude

[Ticketty Boo]

Evinrude Etec 90 or Suzuki DF90

That's my dilema.

Do you own either?
Which would you chose?
Does anyone have comparible figures for both?
Which has more torque?
Which is more economic?
What are the best prices?

Exe leisure has the suzi for £5548 - but the evinrude claims no maintenance required for three years?

Does anything else compare with these two?

[solehunter]

dont have either engine i`m afraid mate, but i hear the suzi`s are very good.

[csx355]

Hi - I have a brand new Suzi 70hp - and the motor is fantastic -whisper quiet - starts instantly - looks the business. It uses so little fuel that it is embarassing when I fill up. I currently get 7.6 mpg mixed running trolling and flat out over an average 20 - 30 mile day. This compares with 10mpg with my (again new) 25hp 4/ Tohatsu that I had previously. The 90 is DOHC and probebly even more fuel efficient. Hope this helps.

[wilson17]

hello TB I own a 2005 etech 90 which is a 3 cylinder two stroke engine and it weighs 306lb , this is the reason i bought it add to that the 3 year maintenance free period and evinrudes quoted low fuel consumption figures then it sounded a good engine at the time . I did look into all the makes and found the etech to be the lightest . Mine hangs on the back of a wilson flyer(17ft) and fly she does !!:)

[wilson17]

Hi - I have a brand new Suzi 70hp - and the motor is fantastic -whisper quiet - starts instantly - looks the business. It uses so little fuel that it is embarassing when I fill up. I currently get 7.6 mpg mixed running trolling and flat out over an average 20 - 30 mile day. This compares with 10mpg with my (again new) 25hp 4/ Tohatsu that I had previously. The 90 is DOHC and probebly even more fuel efficient. Hope this helps.


Hi csx , is your susie a four stroke engine ??

[Shropfisher]

Evinrude Etec 90 or Suzuki DF90

That's my dilema.

Do you own either?
Which would you chose?
Does anyone have comparible figures for both?
Which has more torque?
Which is more economic?
What are the best prices?

Exe leisure has the suzi for £5548 - but the evinrude claims no maintenance required for three years?

Does anything else compare with these two?
I have the Suzy 90, new this year, can't fault it, from what I have read before and after buying it, Suzuki lead the field, they are almost only 4 stroke ( they have one 4hp I think ) thats a 2 stroke, and have spend a bucket load of money developing the new engines. sips fuel and goes like a train, tick over all day then full power at a touch, looks good too.

[csx355]

Hi Wilson - yes it's a four stroke.

[Dave.S]

Hi Ticketty Boo

I think most makes are all very similar and some are just re-badged, what does make a differance is the after sales costs.

Spares, dealer servicing, time between servicing and quality of your dealer and how far you need to travel to the dealer.

The Etec is just coming up 3 years so time for the first service for some! :ohnoes:

In the end it comes down to reliability and costs.

Sorry not to give a positive on one or other.

Dave

[Shropfisher]

I'm not sure I could accept the concept of 3 years between maintenance, Salt water is pretty aggresive, and things like oil, plugs filters etc are industry standard, so leaving them in that long would worry me, you can't just pull over and call the AA, I know some cars ( Audi for Example ) say they can go up to 30,000 miles between services, but that is computor controlled and depends on your driving, a boat in heavy seas puts more strain on the engine so it works harder.
It may be Ok, but I would not base my purchase on that alone, specially since most boat owners get their engines services each year regardless of use.
Good luck on your choice, let us know what you choose and why.

[bigfish]

Well as a big fan of Suzy motor bikes I'll have to say get the Suzuki:)

And as our SALOPIAN mate says,three year service intervals:confused: on an outboard:eek: :eek: :eek: has got to be asking for trouble:eek:

[raymondo]

even a 12000 mile service interval which is pretty standard equates to about 400 hours how many hours does the average
out board do per year? and remember that a 2st has no oil or filters to change. as for corrosion salt is just as corrosive no matter how often you service.

[wilson17]

Now the ting is this , weve had comments from suzie owners(4stroke) weve had comments from evinrude owners(2stroke) all of us happy with our purchases and weve all bought the hype that goes with them - Is there any new Honda(4stroke)
owners out there because its my belief that they are the market leaders in 4stroke technology and much lighter than "other" makes :p :D

[Shropfisher]

even a 12000 mile service interval which is pretty standard equates to about 400 hours how many hours does the average
out board do per year? and remember that a 2st has no oil or filters to change. as for corrosion salt is just as corrosive no matter how often you service.
Modern cars now tell you when a service is due based on how it's driven, drive it hard and your in the garage quicker, so an outboard engine should be no differrant, two or four stroke, I used to help repair the water ski school engines while serving in Malta, they could blow an engine in months, so again work it hard service it often. No matter what make or model, Personally I would not wait 3 years, the cheapest form of service is preventative.

[Dave.S]

Just for a quick comparison


Honda 75hp & 90hp 4-stroke

Probably the best you can buy. These 75 / 90hp ELPT 4-strokes have proven reliability. Once you own one you won't want anything else.
Controls, prop, cables, tank, tacho and trim
169kg
1580cc
4 carb, 4 cylinder, 12 valve
RYA Craft Handling course
Includes 5 year leisure warranty

against

Mariner 75hp & 90hp 4-stroke

These two latest model 16v 4-stroke 75 / 90hp ELPTO These 4-stroke Mariners will save you fuel costs.
Quiet
1596cc 4 cylinder
175 kg
No need to mix oil / fuel
Comes with prop controls, tank, cables, steering link, bolts & tacho/trim gauge
2 year warranty

or Suzuki

MODELS 115 90
4 Stroke
Start System E
Multi Point Injection
Multi-Function Tachometer - Option
Over-Rev Limiter
Low Oil pressure Caution
Fully Transistorized Ignition
Digital C.D.I.
Suzuki PEI
Fresh Water Flushing System
Remote Control
Power Trim & Tilt
Speedometer Pickup On Gear Case
S.S. Water Pump Housing
Warranty not stated

Interesting that Suzuki's engine is based on 2000cc engine which could be up rated to 115hp the others are all 90hp max and reduced to 75hp

Honda's cost more but you get 5yr warranty plus a boat handling course

Good luck

Dave

[Ticketty Boo]

To complicate things, my local Evinrude dealer told me that the evinrude etec 2 stroke (3yrs maintenance free) is more economical, and 50kg lighter than the usual suspects 4 stroke 90hp range.

Is this true?

[Dave.S]

To complicate things, my local Evinrude dealer told me that the evinrude etec 2 stroke (3yrs maintenance free) is more economical, and 50kg lighter than the usual suspects 4 stroke 90hp range.

Is this true?

Specifications: ETEC 90 Inline 3
a) E90DPL b) E90DSL c) E90DPX
Engine: Inline 3-cylinder E-TEC Direct Injection
Bore In: 3.6 in / 91 mm
Stroke In: 2.588 in / 66 mm
Displacement cu: 79 cui / 1295 cc
Starting: Electric
Trim Method FasTrakT Power Trim and Tilt
Propshaft HP**(kilowatts) 90 HP (67 kw) @ 5000 RPM
Full Throttle Operating Range 4500-5500 RPM
Gear Ratio 2.0:1 | 2.25:1
Fuel Induction E-TEC Direct Fuel Injection with stratified low RPM combustion mode
Alternator Variable Voltage Computer Controlled 75 Amp** / 1100 watt output w/ regulator
Cooling Pressure and Temperature Controlled Water Cooled
Steering Remote
Limited Warranty 3 Years Non-Declining
Compliance EPA CARB 3 STAR European Union
Colours: Blue / White
Shaft Length in (mm) / Colour: a) 20” (508) / Blue
b) 20” (508) / White
c) 25” (635) / White
Weight lbs (kg): a) | b) 320 (145)
c) 326 (148)
** 75 Amp current calculated at 13.5 V. Net dedicated battery charging power output is 25 Amp.

Seems the E-Tec is 90hp detuned for the 75hp model
Weight is dependant on length of shaft, see above

So:
Honda 4 stroke weight - 169kg
Mariner 4 stroke weight - 175kg
Suzuki 4 stroke weight - L:189kg or XL:194kg
Evenrude E-Tec weight - 148kg (heaviest model)

Can not see where 50kg saving is being made except over the Suzuki in the "Big foot" model :confused:

Dave

[Phil H]

I have had the suzuki df70 four stroke for 2 years and all i can say it's brilliant,
never let me down once and it has started 1st time every time.You can hardly
hear the engine it's almost silent :) Oh forgot to mension it's a flying machine.:D

[Steve1972]

The Specs i have for the E Tec shows it weighs in at 138kg. Which makes it 51kg lighter than the Suzuki DF90.

:preachon:

[wilson17]

Hi all,just a website here for everyones perusal , an unbiased test of the big five.

Enter bass and walleye boats magazine in tool bar , select boat test ,
and then select roarin 90`S :)

[Nos4r2]

Honda 4 stroke weight - 169kg
Mariner 4 stroke weight - 175kg
Suzuki 4 stroke weight - L:189kg or XL:194kg
Evenrude E-Tec weight - 148kg (heaviest model)

Can not see where 50kg saving is being made except over the Suzuki in the "Big foot" model :confused:

Dave

You'll save nearly 50kg from not having cams, valves, rockercover and a sump on the 2-stroke. 4stroke cylinderhead castings are a lot more beefy too.

[Steve1972]

http://www.jetsmarivent.com/phtml/fichamotorfb-evi.phtml?mot_id=227

[Shropfisher]

To complicate things, my local Evinrude dealer told me that the evinrude etec 2 stroke (3yrs maintenance free) is more economical, and 50kg lighter than the usual suspects 4 stroke 90hp range.

Is this true?
Sorry Guys am I missing something here ? loads of replies concerning weight ? If the Etec 2 stroke is 50KG heavier than the Suzi 90 four stroke, Two things come to mind, firstly it's like saying a Mondeo weighs more than a BMW, there differant beasts, Since most manufacturers have either dropped 2 strokes or are limiting their range on 2 strokes it's not fair to compare. Secondly, 20 or 50 kg heavier, who cares ? if you want the same time at sea with a 2 stroke as a 4 stroke you take twice as much fuel with you !! ( what does 12 Gallon weight ? ) and if you leave just halve of the 3 ton of lead weights we all carry, or scale down the amount of tackle, beer etc on board, and just by substituteing your regular boat partner for another who carries a few pounds will all remove the weight issue, surely the real questions are economy, performance, in life costs, reliability, how deep your pockets are ( all in no particular order ) are more relavent.

[Ticketty Boo]

The evidence for the 90hp prosecution so far...............

Honda 4 stroke
5year warranty

Suzuki 4 stroke
Loads of testimonials from pleased as punch owners
2 year warranty

Evinrude 2 stroke
My local dealer/mechanic is a johnson/evinrude/mercury man
cheaper by a fair bit
choice of propellors
choice of oil consumption / performance ratings on set-up
Manufacturer reccommends 3 years until first service
3 year warranty



I'd like some comparable info on fuel economy if anybody could assist with that please?

[wilson17]

[QUOTE=Ticketty Boo]The evidence for the 90hp prosecution so far...............

Honda 4 stroke
5year warranty

Suzuki 4 stroke
Loads of testimonials from pleased as punch owners
2 year warranty

Evinrude 2 stroke
My local dealer/mechanic is a johnson/evinrude/mercury man
cheaper by a fair bit
choice of propellors
choice of oil consumption / performance ratings on set-up
Manufacturer reccommends 3 years until first service
3 year warranty



Hi TB , did you read the web site i posted ? its all on there as regards fuel economy - all 5 top brands tested on an 18ft boat - wilson.;)

[Ticketty Boo]

Pound for pound, they pack a mean punch. We’re talking about the new bantamweight outboards — 90 hp mills, to be exact. There have been a number of developments in this class — including Evinrude’s new E-Tec and Mercury’s 1.5L OptiMax — and it seemed like all the players, both four-stroke and direct-injected (DI) two-stroke, were ready to duke it out. But we knew we needed a huge venue for such a championship bout, so we turned loose five of the top engines on Mississippi’s bayous to see which ones would merely survive... and which ones would flourish.

Besides the ’Rude and Merc, joining the fray on the DI side was Tohatsu’s 90 TLDI, while the four-stroke contingent was represented by Suzuki and Honda. Unfortunately, we did not get a chance to test the new EFI version of Yamaha’s F90 four-stroke, as production models were not yet available. We also didn’t evaluate Nissan’s 90 TLDI and Johnson’s 90 four-stroke, as Tohatsu and Suzuki make these engines, respectively, so the results would have been redundant.

We chose the aluminum Triton 170 CC bay boat as our test bed. Rated for 90 hp, it’s a fast 17-footer that features a pad bottom with a modest 12 degrees of transom deadrise. Setup is critical with this hull, as it likes to be run with the engine set fairly high on the transom (see sidebar starting on page 22). The stock transom height is 22 inches and all of the outboards except Mercury were run with the engine mounted in the third hole. Mercury chose to use the second hole.

THE RULES
Our shoot-out was conducted out of Aberdeen Marina on the Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway in Aberdeen, Mississippi. The rules were simple. Triton graciously provided five identical 170 CC boats. The engine manufacturers were to supply an outboard and a representative to ensure the engine was properly rigged and propped. Each outboard had to remain within its recommended wide-open-throttle (WOT) operating range, and the prop had to be available through a dealer’s parts catalog. We want to point out that the Japanese manufacturers often buy props from Mercury and other suppliers such as PowerTech, Turbo and Solas.

The representatives were allowed as much time as necessary to prepare the boats. Once they were happy with the setup, the actual tests were conducted by BWB Editor Steve Quinlan and yours truly. All evaluations were conducted in similar conditions, in the same manner, and all tests began with a full 6-gallon portable fuel tank.

In alphabetical order, let’s meet our players.

EVINRUDE 90 E-TEC
At 305 pounds (all weights per manufacturers’ specs), Evinrude’s new two-stroke design is the lightest of the engines tested. In fact, it’s 111 pounds lighter than the Suzuki, which was the heaviest of the group. In fairness, Suzuki’s I-4 block displaces 119 cubic inches (by far, the most in the group), compared to the I-3

E-Tec’s 79 cubic inches. At 77 cid, only the Tohatsu displaces less.

Perhaps due to its weight advantage, the Evinrude was a shade faster than the rest of the field, posting a two-way-average top speed of 49.9 mph — good enough to edge Mercury by 0.2 mph. It was also the only engine to break 50 mph in a one-way run. The E-Tec is our acceleration champ, as well, with 0-to-30 mph times averaging 8.1 seconds.

This DI two-stroke has a quiet idle. Although you can hear the clicking of the E-Tec injectors, it’s not really objectionable. Our sound meter showed it to be the loudest of all the competitors at optimum cruising speed, however, as we measured 88 decibels (dBa) at 3000 rpm and 27.4 mph — just a shade more than the Tohatsu, Suzuki and Merc, but 4 dBa more than the Honda. It tied with Mercury for being the loudest at wide-open throttle, measuring 101 dBa. Even so, the E-Tec has a nice, tight sound.

In terms of optimum cruising economy, the Evinrude finished in the middle of the pack. Unfortunately, our test engine had two faults. The first occurred at 1500 rpm, where the Evinrude was very rough running. Then, at 2000 rpm, it would not hold a constant rpm but would surge to 2500 or higher. The E-Tec injection system provides a very lean fuel charge at low rpm for exceptional slow speed economy, and we suspect that 2000 rpm is where the changeover occurs to a normal fuel/air mix. If so, this likely explains the surging. At 2000 rpm and 7.9 mph, this rig is about to climb onto plane and the surging will probably be inconsequential for most owners.

BWB Field Editor Bill Grannis, our Johnson/Evinrude expert, tells us that this problem, which generally occurs on light or overpropped boats, has been addressed in a warranty bulletin by BRP titled “Recalibration/Software Update.” The software update that corrects this problem is available for 2004 models at dealers for no charge. The warranty bulletin states “improvements are already incorporated in 2005 models.”

Otherwise, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) 3-star-rated E-Tec performed flawlessly throughout the balance of the rpm range.

HONDA BF90
Do you like a quiet outboard? From idle to WOT, the four-stroke Honda proved the quietest of the bunch. It did exceptionally well in fuel economy, too. We recorded 9.2 mpg at 3500 rpm and 29.3 mph. This is the fastest cruising speed measured — a full 6 mph faster than Tohatsu, which placed first in cruising economy with a remarkable 9.7 mpg.

Our Honda-powered Triton had an acceleration problem off the line. When we popped open the throttle too quickly, the engine would die. This can be attributed to federal emissions regulations and the carburetors. The idle mixture screws are capped to prevent them from being adjusted too far, and the factory settings are extremely lean to bring this model into emissions compliance. These are the same caps that made our carbureted cars run so poorly 25 years ago.

The automotive industry overcame these problems with EFI systems, and since the Honda 90 is a fairly old four-stroke design, we suspect that a replacement model featuring EFI is not far down the line.

The initial hesitation hurt Honda’s 0-to-30 mph times, but once this CARB 3-star engine accelerated beyond idle speed, it punched hard and performed well throughout its powerband.


SUZUKI DF90
As noted, the four-stroke DF90 has the largest displacement and weighs the most of the engines tested, mainly because Suzuki uses the same block for its 115 and 140 models. That’s nearly 25 percent heavier and 33 percent more displacement than the Evinrude and Tohatsu.

The Suzuki didn’t win any single category, but it fared well in most tests. With an elapsed time of 8.3 seconds, it was the second quickest from 0 to 30 mph — just 0.2 mph behind Evinrude. It also finished second in quietness, just a decibel or two noisier than the Honda across the rpm range.

Unofficially, it would have posted the third fastest top end, clocking 49.5 mph at 5800 rpm. Unfortunately, this is 300 rpm beyond the DF90’s maximum recommended operating limit, which our rules dictate all engines must stay within (as did each of the other outboards). Matched to Triton’s fleet, 17-foot bay boat, Suzuki’s 131/4x26-inch stainless three-blade — the tallest available from the manufacturer — was simply not enough wheel to rein it in on this application. That’s why in our performance charts you’ll see the official speed capped at 5500 rpm, where the Suzuki was running 44.4 mph.

Even so, the CARB 3-star Suzuki’s acceleration times should lay to rest the notion that four-strokes are doggy out of the hole. By the same token, it is fair to point out its strong showing is due in part to Suzuki’s large displacement — and that comes with a weight penalty.

In terms of overall performance, the DF90 was a smooth operator. There were no flat spots or rough running throughout the acceleration curve, and the engine offered a pleasing, tight, four-stroke sound.

PHOTO FINISH
The most impressive aspect of our 90 shoot-out is the closeness of the results. With the exception of the over-revving Suzuki — and again, this engine was limited by available props — the difference between the slowest and fastest was 2.2 mph.

Yet, when buying a 90 hp engine, raw speed is just one of many attributes a consumer looks at. After all, this is a fishing motor, not a drag motor. And not all boaters place equal emphasis on each of these categories. Some would say quietness is most important, while others would consider acceleration to be of greater value. Yet, fuel economy may carry the most weight for others.

If quietness were our top consideration, we’d have picked the Honda. If fuel economy had been the deciding factor, we’d have given the nod to Tohatsu. However, we tend to favor engines that finish strong in multiple categories, and neither of these engines fared well in performance. So, while Mercury turned in the second-fastest top speed, it was slow out of the hole, and it was not only the loudest, but the thirstiest of the five engines tested. This leaves Suzuki and Evinrude.

Though Suzuki did not finish first in any of the four categories tested, it was my pick. It was second only to Evinrude in acceleration — by a mere 0.2 seconds — and if allowed to over-rev, it finished third in top end (0.4 seconds behind Evinrude and 0.2 seconds behind Mercury). It was also quieter than the Evinrude not only at idle, but at cruise and wide-open throttle.

I asked BWB Editor Steve Quinlan how he would rate the engines (after all, he was right beside me during each phase of testing). Like our readers, and like me, he values certain performance aspects more than others. Here’s what he had to say: “Sure, Suzuki’s four-year track record for that engine and great showing in most of the categories we tested made it a tougher contender than the spec boxes might indicate. Yet, when you add up the numbers, the Evinrude was slightly quicker, slightly faster and offered better fuel economy than the Suzuki. I also like the E-Tec’s three-year/300-hour no-maintenance program. “I disagree on the noise issue. I still like the growl of a two-stroke as long as it’s not unpleasant or overpowering. The E-Tec’s growl is the sound of a tight machine. It doesn’t have the rattling sound we’re accustomed to hearing from most two-strokes.”

Quinlan went on to say that there’s no doubt in his mind that if the Suzuki had a bigger prop to keep it within its recommended wide-open-throttle range, it would have been the fastest engine of the bunch. However, a bigger prop would have knocked it down a notch in holeshot. “How much,” Quinlan says, “I don’t know.”

“Though E-Tec is a rather new technology, I’m confident it’s rock solid,” he says. “Evinrude is banking its reputation on it. All things considered, I’d have to give the edge to Evinrude and call Suzuki a close second.”

Just as we don’t see eye to eye on everything boat related, we have agreed to disagree here, and have declared it a split decision between Evinrude and Suzuki for bragging rights as the bayou’s top bantamweight. BWB

[wilson17]

I wish i could work my computer like that,outstanding!!:D

[Ticketty Boo]

I'm going to the boat show next week still unconvinced as to which one I should buy? Does anybody else have anything to add?

[Dave.S]

Hi Ticketty Boo

A friend has just sent me a report to add to my web site on his ETEC 75hp

I have copied it here for info:

Report Evinrude ETEC 75 hp.


I bought this engine in February 2005 as a replacement for a Mariner 60hp Bigfoot.
A friend who has owned one since 2004 recommended the Evinrude to me.
Further reasons for buying include: -

No running in, the outboard can be used to the full straight from the box.
No servicing for the first three years, as a service can cost as much as £200 this was a major factor.
No winterising, you can do this yourself very easily.
Very quiet, as quiet as a four stroke.
Same fuel consumption as a four stroke.
Uses much less oil that conventional two stroke.

The ETEC has an enormous amount of low rev torque and will get my 150 Warrior on the plane with three adults and all their gear easily.
In the year I’ve owned it, It’s started first time every time without having to “fiddle about” with choke or fast idle, on the ETEC they’re both automatic.
The fuel consumption has been on average 5-7 mpg.
I’ve fitted Doel fins to the engine but that was to make the boat run flatter to stop porpoising.
The Etec is fitted with engine sensors to warm of low oil, no oil, engine temp and engine check.
In the event of you running out of oil the engine control module will go into S.A.F.E. mode this will reduce revs and allow you to get home.
This has led to the only slight problem I’ve had, in extreme cold the oil viscosity prevents the ECM from detecting oil sending it into SAFE mode. This can be remedied by using Winter Oil or by warming the engine up.
A good safety feature is on the kill cord, if the cord is detached the outboard will stop but can be restarted without having to re-attach the cord, useful if the driver has fallen overboard and has drifted away from the boat.
Would I buy another? On the current performance, yes without hesitation.



Hope this helps a bit

Forgot to add he runs a Warrior 150 on this set up

Dave

[Ticketty Boo]

Great report Dave - many thanks.

Can anybody give similar strength reports about Suzuki or Honda please?

[Moray]

I have the E tec 75 on my Warrior 165 and would agree totally with Dave S-even down to the cold oil problem which I have had.

Member of Unofficial Warrior owners club

[back lash]

Hi All What Happened To The Yamaha???

[Ticketty Boo]

yamaha and suzuki = same engine

[mikesands]

having read the cut and pasted excellent review of the 90hp engines and rather surprisingly seen the Suzuki come out on top, it probably argues even more in favour of the suzuki in the next range down. The 90hp suzi is in effect the same engine they use for their 115 and 140hp versions - no wonder it's so heavy. The DF70 on the other hand seems to use all the same technology and is obviously designed for the 70hp rating as they produce a detuned version as the DF60. In this 70 hp range the Evinrude doesn't get as much advantage as it should from weight saving as their 75 is in reality a 90hp detuned.

By the way although 50kg difference in weight may well seem insignificant compared with all the extra stuff (and lard) we all carry, the extras are not hung out beyond the back of the boat, which is I would have thought the worst place for it.
Mike

[TomBettle]

I have to say that the concept of the E-Tech has appealed to me since their introduction, but it has only been recently I have got to try them and I was pretty dissapointed.

I have had a chance to run a 90Hp on one of our own Merry Fisher 625's and it was slower than the same boat with a 4s (typically Suzuki from the Jeanneau factory). On top of that it sounded like a diesel engine with the hatch open or alternatively someone shaking a loads of nails around in a biscuit tin.

Some owners love them, but as a "tester" loathed it.

Next I tried one on a big rib. I think it was a 150Hp (?) and although the performance was there it still had that horrible annoying tac tac tac tac noise from idle right the way through the rev range.
....Not my cup of tea.

I'll stick to my smooth, quiet, unobtrusive, economical, pretty powerful, albeit a little heavier, regular servicing and shorter warranty Suzuki's.
IMHO the Suzi is the Mutz Nutz by comparison.

[whitesnake]

have a look at these and make your own mind up.
www.marineenginedigest.com

www.jetsmarivent.com

deffinantly e-tec for me,:boat: now i wish i had not brought a yamaha 4 stroke:yucky:

regards karl