Weymouth 2010?

[Spitfire66]

any dates for the 2010 Weymouth do?

:thumbs:

[mosseydog]

I believe its the 10th-12th of September Tom, I hope so because I've already booked my leave.

[Spitfire66]

I believe its the 10th-12th of September Tom, I hope so because I've already booked my leave.

Nice one - hopefully Mike will confirm :thumbs:

[mark333]

yeah cant WAIT :punk::punk::punk: to watch :doh::headhurt::bangin::2::2::2:

[stormryder]

Why are u not entering mark...?:icecream:

[Spitfire66]

Why are u not entering mark...?:icecream:

cos (like yerself) hes pro (a guide)

verboten!

[i hate whiting]

might be able to make this one... would be great to fish along side such prestigious plug fondlers...

[mark333]

Why are u not entering mark...?:icecream:

:roll1: yeap you guide you , forget it :whistling:spiteful::whistling:bye1:

[JoeSepi]

What a load of nonsense, why can't guides enter, does that mean no one within the fishing industry can enter.

[Spitfire66]

What a load of nonsense, why can't guides enter, does that mean no one within the fishing industry can enter.

as far as Im aware "commercials" are banned (this might only apply to locals though Im not sure) - at last years do several people were turned away or so Im told

[JoeSepi]

It's a bit of a shame that last years winner can't enter, but if it's no guides then you can't argue, Nathan is nearly a local too.

[Spitfire66]

It's a bit of a shame that last years winner can't enter, but if it's no guides then you can't argue, Nathan is nearly a local too.

Nath smiles too much to be trusted ! :clap:

[bobjameson]

Tom.. Joe.

They have the same ruling with the Guernsey Bas comp if i remember
rightly :nono: anybody with a comercial interest were excluded

[mark333]

It's a bit of a shame that last years winner can't enter, but if it's no guides then you can't argue, Nathan is nearly a local too.

yeah its a shame :whistling:whistling:whistling he fishes here more than me :doh: ill fish same weekend , stick my results and pics up , if THATS OK :2::2::2:

[fishdorset]

yeah its a shame :whistling:whistling:whistling he fishes here more than me :doh: ill fish same weekend , stick my results and pics up , if THATS OK :2::2::2:

Want some company on that day Mark?:happy::whistling:whistling

[Graham Hill]

Want some company on that day Mark?:happy::whistling:whistling
organising a catch and release the same day !!!!guides are welcome no killing on my watch:fishing::fishing:
gee

[oldchukka]

organising a catch and release the same day !!!!guides are welcome no killing on my watch:fishing::fishing:
geemmmmmmm. very interesting.

[Graham Hill]

:black_eye
mmmmmmm. very interesting.
we will supply a bus from macclesfield including the mac lads and the middle age mums with the big flabby bums if you want commercials are allowed in jersey arnt they??


gee

[mark333]

organising a catch and release the same day !!!!guides are welcome no killing on my watch:fishing::fishing:
gee

:fishing::fish:that sounds like fun , :victory::clap3::thumbs::drunk::yahoo: all for a bit of fun graham , or does the winner get your SOFTS collection , ive seen it , now thats worth a few bucks :bicycle::nerd:

[stormryder]

I think only local commer boys are not allowed to enter, i hardly qualify! or mark for that matter

[stormryder]

i want mark in it so i can mount him on my wall....lol

[stormryder]

or bend him over it....lol :wub:

[mark333]

or bend him over it....lol :wub:

i worry about you :bicycle::nerd::wub: your be in it mate ,no worries , cant have last years winner not in it :sad: im happy to guide some mates in it :fishing: ill stick my results and pics up just for you nath :cc_surren:hug::fish::bicycle::wub:

[stormryder]

i worry about you :bicycle::nerd::wub: your be in it mate ,no worries , cant have last years winner not in it :sad: im happy to guide some mates in it :fishing: ill stick my results and pics up just for you nath :cc_surren:hug::fish::bicycle::wub:

Just been told i am allowed in it...almost started cryin then :bye2: ......i worry about me to sometimes

[JoeSepi]

Just been told i am allowed in it...almost started cryin then :bye2: ......i worry about me to sometimes

So Mark's in too then!!!

[Graham Hill]

Just been told i am allowed in it...almost started cryin then :bye2: ......i worry about me to sometimes


somebodys moving a few goalposts here !!!can we get the comp rules up here please offcourse joe and myself have to defend the pairs winners ,,,

preview of rule 4a,,,,,exclude mark padfield333 at all costs cause he kicks ass

gee

[stormryder]

This years festival there is a restriction on commercial anglers, 160 miles away is the limit, this is one of the rules i have been told from one of the Organisers of the comp.:hug:

[fishdorset]

Mark, can I book you for some guiding over the comp days?:fishing:

[JoeSepi]

This years festival there is a restriction on commercial anglers, 160 miles away is the limit, this is one of the rules i have been told from one of the Organisers of the comp.:hug:

Nathan

It doesn't matter how it's worded, it's clear for all to see what's going on. I've stayed out of all the arguing that's gone on here but this stinks, why the rule change, I don't remember the comp being effected by commercials last year, we had a good fair comp, no need for change.

In fact if Mark hadn't been in the comp and given people info on where to fish, how many Bass would have actually been weighed in.

[stormryder]

i wish he didnt show you guys as i would of had 1st and 1st...lol

[Graham Hill]

This years festival there is a restriction on commercial anglers, 160 miles away is the limit, this is one of the rules i have been told from one of the Organisers of the comp.:hug:

I Recon they are running scared ,mark is not a commercial fisherman , he is a part time guide so that will not qualify him to fish,,thats Rubbish what advantage has a part time guide got that qualifies a ban on a comp ,with these rule changes and making things fit this is not good for this compertition,,it was organised well last time round a very sorry state of affairs for all involved when petty things like this get the way of our beloved sport:fishing:

gee

[bigbass]

I could understand a gill netter, trawlerman or liner to be excluded.

But to exclude local guides is ridiculous

I'd liked to have done this and have no problem going up against the pro's, it makes it all the spicier, when you tan their whotsit.

And, if you are beaten by them, well it's because they are a pro - excuse ready.

k

[Griff_]

Seems reasonable to me and the rules haven't changed - they are the same as last year. Mark has started guiding commercially since the last Festival, so it is his status that has changed not the rules. It does seem harsh on Mark I agree, but it is not aimed at him personally. Would you rather the rules were changed to accomodate one angler? Knowing Mark as I do, I don't think he is too worried about prizes - he is pretty secure in his own capabilities without winning competitions. Not trying to put any words in your mouth, Mark, so I hope I am right?

Strange how some anglers who are so keen on C&R on the same dates as the next festival didn't mind taking a number of fish when they were competing for prizes in September?

[mosseydog]

It should be another cracking festival and hopefully the Welsh meet can be just as good.

I think people have jumped on the wrong end of the stick again, on the first page Mark has just mentioned he wasnt fishing, this may be either that he didnt want to enter or has thought that he is now excluded due to his part time guiding, either way, as I see it he isnt excluded just as Graham or Nathan arnt as they dont reside in Weymouth or Portland.

The rules are no different, it should be a good blast yet again as long it is not sabotaged.

read through the whole thread from the start and its easy to see how things can be taken the wrong way.

Bring on the bass:clap::clap:

[Graham Hill]

Strange how some anglers who are so keen on C&R on the same dates as the next festival didn't mind taking a number of fish when they were competing for prizes in September? :

it broke my heart buddy!!!!!

all comps should be C&R ,,,as the french comps are ,,,after all the Bass are the stars of the show,,

and mossy you are correct looks like mark will fish after all

gee

[stormryder]

Seems reasonable to me and the rules haven't changed - they are the same as last year. Mark has started guiding commercially since the last Festival, so it is his status that has changed not the rules. It does seem harsh on Mark I agree, but it is not aimed at him personally. Would you rather the rules were changed to accomodate one angler? Knowing Mark as I do, I don't think he is too worried about prizes - he is pretty secure in his own capabilities without winning competitions. Not trying to put any words in your mouth, Mark, so I hope I am right?

Strange how some anglers who are so keen on C&R on the same dates as the next festival didn't mind taking a number of fish when they were competing for prizes in September?

The comp was organised brilliantly this year and like griff said the comp has not changed but marks status has....being a Pro now.

[Graham Hill]

Hey chad ,,
has your status changed?????

gee

[stormryder]

Hey chad ,,
has your status changed?????

gee

Whats that supposed to mean?

[oldchukka]

question, sensible answers please.bass championship. -- to find the best bass angler at a particular venue?
now surely to become a real champion and for it to mean anything you, you would need to beat allcomers including guides -- sponsored anglers and anyone who makes a living or part of it from angling?

[stormryder]

Personally i want mark in the comp....guide or not...i think its good for the comp....:hug:

[mark333]

Hey chad ,,
has your status changed?????

gee

:roll1::roll1::roll1::lmao::lmao::lmao::bicycle:

[mark333]

Mark, can I book you for some guiding over the comp days?:fishing:

:fishing::laugh::laugh::clap3:

[mark333]

I could understand a gill netter, trawlerman or liner to be excluded.

But to exclude local guides is ridiculous

I'd liked to have done this and have no problem going up against the pro's, it makes it all the spicier, when you tan their whotsit.

And, if you are beaten by them, well it's because they are a pro - excuse ready.

k

:bicycle::fishing::rtfm:

[mark333]

thankyou my group for all your love and support :wub: i will be about and fishing that weekend , has any one got a problem if im helping others on the day , I DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE COMP , but will have good friends coming miles would like to see , has any one got a prob with me helping tom out , ( spitfire ) and maybe he will pair up with marc (mad one ) this year , also gee and joe ( want them to retain pairs title ) it will all be on the day with winds and tides deciding , where to send people , and as i live an hr away from weymouth , i suppose i could sneak in on the blind side :fish::fishing:, but HONESTLY , not interested , but thanks very much for friends supporting me :hug:i think mikes rules are good rules to be honest , and for the good of the bass , local commercials would win , ( and maybe not fairly if he let them in ) i will put my results up for you all to take the micky out of , and if me pointing someone in the direction i feel is right on the day , is unfair on others THEN SUCK MY LEFT ONE :bicycle:

[oldchukka]

thankyou my group for all your love and support :wub: i will be about and fishing that weekend , has any one got a problem if im helping others on the day , I DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE COMP , but will have good friends coming miles would like to see , has any one got a prob with me helping tom out , ( spitfire ) and maybe he will pair up with marc (mad one ) this year , also gee and joe ( want them to retain pairs title ) it will all be on the day with winds and tides deciding , where to send people , and as i live an hr away from weymouth , i suppose i could sneak in on the blind side :fish::fishing:, but HONESTLY , not interested , but thanks very much for friends supporting me :hug:i think mikes rules are good rules to be honest , and for the good of the bass , local commercials would win , ( and maybe not fairly if he let them in ) i will put my results up for you all to take the micky out of , and if me pointing someone in the direction i feel is right on the day , is unfair on others THEN SUCK MY LEFT ONE :bicycle:cheeky booger, no mention of old c. i've a good mind to come down with my buddy bobbage and smack yer arse on the bass,;);):lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[mark333]

cheeky booger, no mention of old c. i've a good mind to come down with my buddy bobbage and smack yer arse on the bass,;);):lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

:fishing: come on down thats it OC , ill guide you , and only you , that would be brill :fish: bobbage is a great angler though , you wouldnt need me , and i would be scared :cc_surren:bicycle: dont forget are special day next year OC , cant wait , your going to love it :wub:

[Graham Hill]

:fishing: come on down thats it OC , ill guide you , and only you , that would be brill :fish: bobbage is a great angler though , you wouldnt need me , and i would be scared :cc_surren:bicycle: dont forget are special day next year OC , cant wait , your going to love it :wub:

just cant wait to see the OC Guided by mark,,dont know how you will move that wheel chair on chesil:blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:

lets get him a copter:thumbs:

gee

[oldchukka]

marks hiring a shingle sledge and a nagasaki donkey to tow me round.:clap3:

[mark333]

just cant wait to see the OC Guided by mark,,dont know how you will move that wheel chair on chesil:blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:

lets get him a copter:thumbs:

gee

no gee , the bloke is pure gold , im afraid we will have to carry him mate :notworthy what a day and write up that would be :clap2:recon you know just where to take him mate , not much of a walk :secret: 80 steps topps :thumbs:dont recon we could teach him much , but i for one would love to sit down with him , and learn some new tricks and tips , bet hes got loads up his sleeve :clap3::notworthy

[oldchukka]

just cant wait to see the OC Guided by mark,,dont know how you will move that wheel chair on chesil:blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:

lets get him a copter:thumbs:

geenah thee be sensible. dont mind travelling down from m/field in a converted bread van, but i want nowt to do wi yon flying egg beaters. might buy a motorised humpalumpa. :roll1::roll1:

[Tunny]

All credit to Mark333,
For a well worded post, I think it is good of you to offer to help out Spitfire with some advise/guiding. Good on you for that, he seems like a great guy.
It will be hard for Gee/Joe to retain their title if Gee is going to be purely fishing catch and release. But again full credit to him for doing what he believes to be the right thing.

I had a great time at the last Weymouth Comp, I thought it was very well run. And there were a great group of guys there. I can't wait for the next one. See you all there.

[Graham Hill]

All credit to Mark333,
For a well worded post, I think it is good of you to offer to help out Spitfire with some advise/guiding. Good on you for that, he seems like a great guy.
It will be hard for Gee/Joe to retain their title if Gee is going to be purely fishing catch and release. But again full credit to him for doing what he believes to be the right thing.

I had a great time at the last Weymouth Comp, I thought it was very well run. And there were a great group of guys there. I can't wait for the next one. See you all there.

Tunny,,
i do believe in C&R and have done for more years than i care to remember ,i made my thoughts perfectly clear last time killing is not the way to go in a Bass Comp there are other ways such as that that are practised in other open compertitions mabey the organisers of this comp will consider a amendment to last years killing rule??

gee

[Julian Fox]

Just picked up on this thread.

Any particular reason why its not C&R? Why kill the fish?

[mark333]

Just picked up on this thread.

Any particular reason why its not C&R? Why kill the fish?

here here , i have always said in the day of the mobile phone, just get some runners over the weekend , the area fished is not that huge , 3 blokes , 3 cars would do it , take 15 mins to get to each person ,if spread out , and as there were what 7 fish was it , or 9 fish , i dont think it would take long to get to them all , thats how i would do it , OR get the person near you to wittness , take pics , weigh it , tape it , what ever , there is always a way , thats just 2 rubbish suggestions i have thought of in 2 mins , im sure , you brighter ones amongst us could come up with better :1a: couple of mates as runners easy

[Graham Hill]

here here , i have always said in the day of the mobile phone, just get some runners over the weekend , the area fished is not that huge , 3 blokes , 3 cars would do it , take 15 mins to get to each person ,if spread out , and as there were what 7 fish was it , or 9 fish , i dont think it would take long to get to them all , thats how i would do it , OR get the person near you to wittness , take pics , weigh it , tape it , what ever , there is always a way , thats just 2 rubbish suggestions i have thought of in 2 mins , im sure , you brighter ones amongst us could come up with better :1a: couple of mates as runners easy
exactly mark,,,no killing in comps,,,,why should a large fishing company endorse or even condone killing???????????and sponsor a match,,, C@R is the way forward in comps good for us all:hammer::hammer:

gee

[Julian Fox]

agreed

it doesn't take long to solve the problem - but have they the will to do it?

[Wiggly]

I read about a big stipped bass competition in the 80's (in the book "Stripper Wars"). There compettion was kill only. The organisers refused to change the rules until campaigning/ outcry caused the large tackel manufacturer who sponsored it to pull out becuse of this rule. The rules were soon changed. Bass fishing culture has a way to go in the UK before we get near to reaching that level of influence BUT it does seem to be headed in the right direction.

[Tunny]

Wiggly,
Most Striper competitions are still keep and weigh. The C&R issue was highlighted at the time due to the low stock levels at the time.
To be fair NOTHING goes to waste, Any left over fish are passed on the charities free to provide meals for those in need.

Yes C&R is the way forward, look at the popularity of the French Labrax Tour. Does it open the door for those inclined to cheat, to abuse the system, without careful control from the organisers -Yes.
Things might be moving slowly, but they are moving in the right direction. I just hope that many of those that preach C&R will choose to do so, when that might mean missing out on the prizes. Once more of those that preach C&R, practise what they preach. Then competition organisers will have to listen.

[Julian Fox]

Wiggly,
Once more of those that preach C&R, practise what they preach. Then competition organisers will have to listen.

Competition organisers should be blazing the trail - who are they in this case?

[Julian Fox]

I've got it =- same people as last year?

[Tunny]

Julian,
With the greatest of respect, Those people that you seem to be trying to point a finger at. Spent a great deal of time to ensure as fewer bass as possible were taken during the competition. In fact fewer bass were taken for the comp than would have been taken by one charter boat out fishing the race for a day.
If you want to point fingers, try the people that are really destorying the bass stocks. Commerical Fishing.
Rather than having a go at those that are trying to raise the profile of bass fishing in the UK. Try attending, talk to those there. You might be surprised by how much they care about the fish they catch.

[mark333]

Julian,
With the greatest of respect, Those people that you seem to be trying to point a finger at. Spent a great deal of time to ensure as fewer bass as possible were taken during the competition. In fact fewer bass were taken for the comp than would have been taken by one charter boat out fishing the race for a day.
If you want to point fingers, try the people that are really destorying the bass stocks. Commerical Fishing.
Rather than having a go at those that are trying to raise the profile of bass fishing in the UK. Try attending, talk to those there. You might be surprised by how much they care about the fish they catch.

with the greatest of respect tunny , the numbers of bass were way down , because the weather was pants , 2 days after the comp , an olb feller down here (graham who mike knows well ) caught 21 bass in one session , best just under 8 pound , and 7 others that wiped the rest of the comp out, no problem , so one bloke 1 tide , caught the same as 40 blokes 4 tides , so lets say weather spot on this year , and 60 anglers turn up keeping there 2 best fish , there is where the problem could lie :hammer: in the day of the mobile , its deaths that could be saved , plus they go back ,for me to catch, a bit heavier ,when you've all gone :laugh::victory:

[Graham Hill]

I do agree mark ,,if the conditions were right on the weekend of the comp it could have been the killing fields its great to see comps been managed but when killing is involved in a sport fishing comp ,,forget it!!!
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD GENTS!!Forwarding the bass fishing profile a big NO!!! C@R the way to go:group::group:

Gee

[Julian Fox]

Julian,
With the greatest of respect, Those people that you seem to be trying to point a finger at. Spent a great deal of time to ensure as fewer bass as possible were taken during the competition. In fact fewer bass were taken for the comp than would have been taken by one charter boat out fishing the race for a day.
If you want to point fingers, try the people that are really destorying the bass stocks. Commerical Fishing.
Rather than having a go at those that are trying to raise the profile of bass fishing in the UK. Try attending, talk to those there. You might be surprised by how much they care about the fish they catch.

Thanks for the reply Tunny. Not sure why you're upset though. I'm not trying to point a finger at anybody just trying to find out the facts and get more info.

[Tunny]

Righty then,
So we all agree that not many bass were killed for the comp, and that those that were. Weren't wasted. Also more bass are killed day in, day out on one charter boat fishing out of weymouth. So we have agreed that the comp had a pretty insignicant effect on bass numbers.
The leading weights were texted out as soon as they were recorded-I know as I got them. So people knew if a bass was worth keeping or not. I know had I landed a 3lb+ fish that wasn't in the lead position i would have returned it. Others did.

However, Gee for someone that is currently touting the C&R mantra. i remember you weighing in. Funny how some people say one thing and do another. I am not knocking you for killing one bass, I weighed one as well. But the soap box sermon on C&R is a little much, given the moment prizes are offered, you do something different.

I think the real reason behind this C&R witch hunting in relation to Weymouth Bass Comp, is something COMPLETELY different to bass well-fare. Axes being ground I think.

Julian,
If you want more information about the Weymouth Bass Festival, I would contact the organisers. Any thoughts that whole sale slaughter of bass would be condoned couldn't be farther from the truth. 99.9% of the attending anglers care at least as much as you do for bass and bass fishing. I just hope this has nothing to with the fact it isn't associated with B.A.S.S.

[mark333]

However, Gee for someone that is currently touting the C&R mantra. i remember you weighing in. Funny how some people say one thing and do another. I am not knocking you for killing one bass, I weighed one as well. But the soap box sermon on C&R is a little much, given the moment prizes are offered, you do something different.

i can tell you tunny , he really didnt want to ,but as he was a partner of joe s , its letting your partner down , and they did win the pairs , all every one is saying , in todays age , c/r is easy , there are no axes to grind mate , a very well ran comp , and mike did a great job of letting people know the fish to beat , saving loads .
But , i know in some comps ,some people keep there best fish ,till the end , in the hope others dont fish harder and longer to beat it , its all happy on here tunny , has been for weeks , try not to come back and spoil it , theres a good chap :bye2:

[bobbage]

It must be a difficult situation, wanting to prove yourself against the best, yet having to abide by rules of a competition that may go against your conscience. I suppose if it's a one-off, it's not such a bad thing though.

[Tunny]

Mark,
I think you should reread my post, I haven't said Gee has done anything that I didn't at the comp. So I can hardly have a go at him or Spoil anything. I simply pointed out something at odds with his comments on here. Whether to support his partner or a chance of winning, his stated stance on C&R changed. Seeing as you have confirmed that Gee did just what i said he did, I can hardly be held as doing anything other than reporting what happened.

As I have said elsewhere on this board Mark, I applaud your release of your cracking double this year, and your comments at the time. Have given many people pause for thought with regards keeping or releasing a big fish.

My comments with regards the reasons behind these comments (not on your part) still stands. A subject for a thread on the board-definately. Attached to a thread about Weymouth Comp, it becomes harder to believe the motives are as pure. The comp will be what ever the organisers decide it to be. Attend or don't given the conditions of competition when they are decided. I will be betting Gee attends.

[Graham Hill]

Mark,
I think you should reread my post, I haven't said Gee has done anything that I didn't at the comp. So I can hardly have a go at him or Spoil anything. I simply pointed out something at odds with his comments on here. Whether to support his partner or a chance of winning, his stated stance on C&R changed. Seeing as you have confirmed that Gee did just what i said he did, I can hardly be held as doing anything other than reporting what happened.

As I have said elsewhere on this board Mark, I applaud your release of your cracking double this year, and your comments at the time. Have given many people pause for thought with regards keeping or releasing a big fish.

My comments with regards the reasons behind these comments (not on your part) still stands. A subject for a thread on the board-definately. Attached to a thread about Weymouth Comp, it becomes harder to believe the motives are as pure. The comp will be what ever the organisers decide it to be. Attend or don't given the conditions of competition when they are decided. I will be betting Gee attends.
I will be in weymouth that weekend in sept no doubt,,but to fish a killing comp,,,,,???? who knows,,
gee

[rapala]

Tunny - to make the "because BASS are not involved" statement is way off the mark mate. Ludicrous in fact.

Sorry if I missed this but I did read this right through - whats wrong with just measuring the fish and basing the results on that and that alone. Accompanying photo and all. Just a suggestion as thats how I've seen them do it in France.
If the comp is in a small area and someone catches a fish they think is worth recording then put the onuss on them to get the fish to an adjacent competitior or witness to confirm the length to back the photo up. Difficult but no impossible. If pros are to be barred then you could sector them or other helpers to cover specific areas.
With no dead fish to weigh in at the close of play, I suppose it boils down to trust, and without trust, lets face it, you have nothing. "Fun" competitions in any sport can cease to become so once prizes or even reputations are at stake.
I applaud the serious debate into finetuning a successful event into something thats even better by incorporating C&R.

[Tunny]

Rapala,
My comments were in light of those made by Mr Fox. Especially as his comments (by his own comments) were made without any knowledge of the competition or those that organised it. At the end of the day this is the Weymouth Comp, and will be run however the organisers see fit. If it were run by BASS then they could apply whatever rules they like. Rather than questioning how it was run, Would it have not been better (as you have) to acknowledge that they are trying to do something to promote bass as a sportfish. After all it worked for the Stripers didn't it.

Yes Some bass comps in france are run purely by length, But the fish are measured by a team of judges ONLY, as is the case in the Labrax Tour. The reason for that is sadly it is required to prevent cheating.
I believe the organisers are very keen to involve C&R in the comp, if they can find a system that removes as much as possible the chance of cheating.

Totally agree with your comments with regards trust, I personally would trust 99% of those that entered last year. However as the competition hopefully grows that might not always be the case. So better to sort the rules first.

As I have stated earlier, a great deal of the comments on this thread have been generated for reasons, other than any real concern for bass well fare, or attempting to improve the weymouth comp. Sadly this board is yet again using used by a minority to belittle the efforts of others.

[Graham Hill]

Tunny - to make the "because BASS are not involved" statement is way off the mark mate. Ludicrous in fact.

Sorry if I missed this but I did read this right through - whats wrong with just measuring the fish and basing the results on that and that alone. Accompanying photo and all. Just a suggestion as thats how I've seen them do it in France.
If the comp is in a small area and someone catches a fish they think is worth recording then put the onuss on them to get the fish to an adjacent competitior or witness to confirm the length to back the photo up. Difficult but no impossible. If pros are to be barred then you could sector them or other helpers to cover specific areas.
With no dead fish to weigh in at the close of play, I suppose it boils down to trust, and without trust, lets face it, you have nothing. "Fun" competitions in any sport can cease to become so once prizes or even reputations are at stake.
I applaud the serious debate into finetuning a successful event into something thats even better by incorporating C&R.

well said,, you have been around a bit Rapala and you know as well a i that a C@R comp can be managed easy,,i have fished hundreds of C@R Shore Comps in Ireland Alone ,, there are just no issues with killing fish all measured recorded and returned ,,this way size limits can be adjusted to the organisers disgression,,this method of C@R comps is done all the way up to international level,,total length of fish caught even dropping the size limit to 300mm for a bass and having seperate prizes for the longest fish etc the scope is endless,it would take, as we have said, a bit of good management but far from impossible,,others do it why not us, lead the way

gee

[Tunny]

Well as I said before WSF threads being used to try a settle scores/boost ego's and stir things up.
If only some people really felt as strongly as they pretend to with regards C&R.
I will wait for the organiser to reveal how the comp will be run. Until then gentlemen (and ladies) have a great Christmas, and a very happy and healthy New Year.

[rapala]

Hi Tunny,
Cheers - I responded to your PM.
Organising anything is a bl00dy minefield isnt it, especially when its opened up for discussion with people like me who dislike seeing fish killed for cudos and prizes.
For the record, if BASS were organising a competition like this, the way it would be run would be decided by the membership. These days there is a forum for discussing such issues, so everyone has a voice. As you are aware the annual catch competitions that BASS hold are based on 100% trust and anyone who cheats is just cheating themself. That does not mean I am daft enough to trust the details behind every capture I have ever seen reported, and after all people do talk! :whistling To be fair you get that everywhere...even on here!

Cheers Graham,
...sorry I don't know anything about fishing comps other than what I have seen on pecheaubar - they seem to have a good method sussed out.
As I used to tell the missus, length is important, only now she seems to think weight is more important, tho sadly in a counter-acting way.:uhuh:
Seriously if anyone I know catches a pig, the question is always going to be "how heavy?", other details on the fishes proportions are just factors based on the physical condition of the fish at the time you caught her. In my experience a long fish usually has a big head whether or not its lighter than it should be or not, so for me, long bass are big bass. Having said that, is a long, perhaps out of condition bass more worthy of winning a competition than a short stocky one of the same weight? :wiggle:Thats upto the organisers to decide, but for sure it looks like the French have proved its a formula that can work for C&R.

Good luck with it anyway..

[Griff_]

i have fished hundreds of C@R Shore Comps in Ireland Alone ,, there are just no issues with killing fish all measured recorded and returned ,,this way size limits can be adjusted to the organisers disgression,,this method of C@R comps is done all the way up to international level,,total length of fish caught even dropping the size limit to 300mm for a bass and having seperate prizes for the longest fish etc the scope is endless,it would take, as we have said, a bit of good management but far from impossible,,others do it why not us, lead the way

gee

Graham
Although I haven't fished shore matches, I believe that most are now done on length caught and C&R. This is however usually on a single beach with pegs so that the actual measuring of fish and witnessing is relatively straightforwards. The awkward part about the same system for a roving bass comp is the spread of anglers and the remote places they will get to find fish. Don't get me wrong, I support C&R especially for competitions when we are more in the public eye, but think we need a slightly different system to allow the fish to be returned and the results trusted by all those who have paid an entry fee. I am sure the organisers will devise a sytem that will allow everyone to fish in good conscience, and I for one will be down at Weymouth next year. Can't wait - might even catch a bass down there next year!

[Julian Fox]

If anyone wants same ideas about how to run a C&R bass event to save you reinventing the wheel just pm me.

Its been done before in a comp pretty close to Weymouth so its ready to go.

[FishingGuernsey]

Great post there Griff and echo's my feeling. Was getting a bit rough in this thread with some nastiness so I didn't respond before now.

The issue with a Bass Comp C&R where the area covered is how many miles of coast?? Talking about an area I know well, Guernsey is say 40 miles round the outside not allowing for undulations etc etc, there is no way that you could have a team of even 5 people going to people to weigh/measure/whatever peoples fish so they can C&R them with a formal witness, especially at 3 in the morning. How on earth could you cover it.

The issue is, sad as it may seem, no matter how much you can trust people in a club fishing environment (our local bass club is all on weight and all on trust with peoples own tested scales), when it comes to an open competition with bigger prizes which can run into thousands of pounds, cheating is a real possibility and cannot be ignored. That is why things are like they are. People don't always fish together, hell half the people I fish with regularly and consider great friends won't tell me where they are when they're catching let alone invite me there to weight a live double, I don't care, we all have our secret marks, we're bass fishermen!! Can you trust a pairing as independent witness where a prize of £1,000 is up for grabs, how much of a "bribe" would the independant non-organiser need?? Not saying it will happen but it has to be considered.

Can someone with experience of roving C&R bass comps (on the continent maybe?) please comment how those C&R comps are run with the keeping fish alive part especially. I would be espeically interested from a local perspective to look at our own comps with the guys who run them if there is a real possible of doing this in an easily managed way.

We have to remember that the club/shop/whoever runs the comp also wants to fish and therefor does not want to sit about all day waiting for a fish to show up for weighing. I did the weigh ins for the Guernsey comp last year which meant a committment to be at a certain places for set periods of time whether they were over the best tides or not to the detriment of my own fishing. My choice, but if I had to be there ALL day, I would be rather miffed at not getting out there and fishing. Thought I might be happy to do a longer stint if it meant things were better for the fish, I can't speak for the other guys about how much time they would give up.

[Graham Hill]

If anyone wants same ideas about how to run a C&R bass event to save you reinventing the wheel just pm me.

Its been done before in a comp pretty close to Weymouth so its ready to go.


There you go ,,at last and well said julian ,,if everybody on this thread that have said the want it and that goes to the organisers too,, here is your chance to shine take the oppitunity and grab it to make your compertition the best in Europe who knows,, and you may double your entry of last year:clap::clap:

gee

[FishingGuernsey]

I will send a PM when I get a few minutes. I don't understand why it's a big secret though? NOT having a go at all, a lot of us want C&R so why can't it be shared openly? Just to save a ton of PM's.

[rapala]

No big secret mate, but maybe because BASS were involved with it, the KAB element would only try and pour the usual scorn and venom on it.

[Graham Hill]

Graham
Although I haven't fished shore matches, I believe that most are now done on length caught and C&R. This is however usually on a single beach with pegs so that the actual measuring of fish and witnessing is relatively straightforwards. The awkward part about the same system for a roving bass comp is the spread of anglers and the remote places they will get to find fish. Don't get me wrong, I support C&R especially for competitions when we are more in the public eye, but think we need a slightly different system to allow the fish to be returned and the results trusted by all those who have paid an entry fee. I am sure the organisers will devise a sytem that will allow everyone to fish in good conscience, and I for one will be down at Weymouth next year. Can't wait - might even catch a bass down there next year!

you are correct griff,areas can be zoned and policed even down to rotation pegging ,,granted its a tough one and if a sucessful formula can be devised it will be good for all last year was ok with telephones etc but we were lucky that the limit was set at three pound any less and there would have been more fish killed and what would help if the comp was not on a 24hr basis or whatever the fishing went strieght through have areas and set times for fishing,,
i will be around next time and i cant wait

gee

[Julian Fox]

No big secret mate, but maybe because BASS were involved with it, the KAB element would only try and pour the usual scorn and venom on it.

Spot on Rapala

[Graham Hill]

No big secret mate, but maybe because BASS were involved with it, the KAB element would only try and pour the usual scorn and venom on it.

rapala,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, love the new pink lure

gee

[Chad]

Hey chad ,,
has your status changed?????

gee

What is that supposed to mean?
:huh:

[mark333]

Tom.. Joe.

They have the same ruling with the Guernsey Bas comp if i remember
rightly :nono: anybody with a comercial interest were excluded

Think its a good rule .
Why is it just the Guernsey bass comp that has that rule though
and not the jersey one
as im sure people with comercial interests have done ok in that one

[Graham Hill]

Adrian(joe sepi) and i have asked for our entry forms from the organisers as the present pairs champions of the Weymouth festival last september,,,,,,
It was a good well ran comp last year and sure it will be in 2010 we are awaiting a response realy looking forward to slapping a few arses with joe this year too

gee

[Graham Hill]

Adrian(joe sepi) and i have asked for our entry forms from the organisers as the present pairs champions of the Weymouth festival last september,,,,,,
It was a good well ran comp last year and sure it will be in 2010 we are awaiting a response realy looking forward to slapping a few arses with joe this year too

gee

Bad News Guys,,,,,,,,

The dreaded rule 11 banishment from the comp at the disgression of the organisers,,,This Rule has been imposed on adrian and myself,,,there are no reasons that has been given to us that we cannot defend our pairs title, i dont think that picking and choosing who fishes a compertition is the way forward for competitive Bass Fishing in the UK as we are trying to aspire to the French way and moving bass fishing forward in the UK,
this attitude will deter future anglers and put a poor image on Bass Lure Fishing in the UK as been very selective
its a rediculious situation that we are not allowed to contend our title as it looks like personal differences are clouding the much bigger picture,,,
i also discussed this with my good friend ,presenter ,Photographer Henry Gilbey and he agreed too that this was the case and was very disapointed with the whole situation and we should be allowed to defend our title in the weymouth comp,,,

it dont realy get much bigger than that!!!

i feel that Joe Sepi and i are entitled to a good reason why rule 11 has been engaged

Graham

[Tunny]

Pretty plain, why given your comments above and in the past regarding this competition.
Hardly matters as the Organiser decision is final.

[Graham Hill]

Pretty plain, why given your comments above and in the past regarding this competition.
Hardly matters as the Organiser decision is final.

whats wrong with my comments just explaining Adrians and myselfs situation and please get your facts correct i have NEVER !!!! commented badly about the fest,,,,
i agree with you that the Organisers decision is final,,but personal problems are clouding the issue,,,

but not looked with respect how can a organisation bann the champs there having a laugh and great for the credibility of our sport its about time people let bygones be bygones

,,,, i have spent thousands in weymouth with my family so has joe and other guys i fish with down there why would i call weymouth ,,it was my savior last year,,, after leaving Ireland march 2009,,,

an explanation would be nice,,mabey running scared of the best pair in the country at the present!!!!!

gee

Gee

[-Woody-]

Bad News Guys,,,,,,,,

The dreaded rule 11 banishment from the comp at the disgression of the organisers,,,This Rule has been imposed on adrian and myself,,,there are no reasons that has been given to us that we cannot defend our pairs title, i dont think that picking and choosing who fishes a compertition is the way forward for competitive Bass Fishing in the UK as we are trying to aspire to the French way and moving bass fishing forward in the UK,
this attitude will deter future anglers and put a poor image on Bass Lure Fishing in the UK as been very selective
its a rediculious situation that we are not allowed to contend our title as it looks like personal differences are clouding the much bigger picture,,,
i also discussed this with my good friend ,presenter ,Photographer Henry Gilbey and he agreed too that this was the case and was very disapointed with the whole situation and we should be allowed to defend our title in the weymouth comp,,,

it dont realy get much bigger than that!!!

i feel that Joe Sepi and i are entitled to a good reason why rule 11 has been engaged

Graham

I also believe that you should both be able to defend your title, as to me the whole point of a competition is to beat the best and if the best aren't there then what is the point.

Woody

[Graham Hill]

I also believe that you should both be able to defend your title, as to me the whole point of a competition is to beat the best and if the best aren't there then what is the point.

Woody

Thanks Woody,,

I am getting older now,,but i think we have got them young liverless guns running scared call themselves pluggers ,,dont think so,,,,,and Woody you forgot this,,,,,,,,

this is weymouth 2010

if you cannot beat the best in a compertition make up your own rules an ban em!! from fishing,,
then it will make the way clear for one of the chosen few to win ,,,,,
and claim a title that befits their status
claiming to be the best when the best were not there ,,,:nono::thumbdown

and of course dont forget rule 11,,,
WINNERS OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPETE IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS BASS FISHING FESTIVAL


I just dont get it!!!

gee

[tern]

Why not fish it anyway if it means that much to you, no one can stop you:fishing1:

[Graham Hill]

[QUOTE=tern;2637728]Why not fish it anyway if it means that much to you, no one can stop you:fishing1:[/QU

thats a good point,,its not about meaning anything to anybody,i have fished matches for 35 yrs at all levels and never been banned from fishing,,even qualified for Ireland at Inernational level TWICE!!but never been banned from a comp under rule 11
there are dark forces at work here and personal issues ,,,,

gee

[mark333]

Thanks Woody,,

I am getting older now,,but i think we have got them young liverless guns running scared call themselves pluggers ,,dont think so,,,,,and Woody you forgot this,,,,,,,,

this is weymouth 2010

if you cannot beat the best in a competition make up your own rules an ban em!! from fishing,,
then it will make the way clear for one of the chosen few to win ,,,,,
and claim a title that befits their status
claiming to be the best when the best were not there ,,,:nono::thumbdown

and of course dont forget rule 11,,,
WINNERS OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPETE IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS BASS FISHING FESTIVAL


I just dont get it!!!

gee

BEST did someone say best :bleh:
i had 11 fish on the comp , one 3 pound but was not going to kill it , as would have lost weight over night ,for weigh in ,
wouldnt have killed it anyway ,
your right though graham , bit strange you and joe cant go in it as you WON the pairs
This comp is on wsf as you say , so i take it its not just for the chosen few :uhuh:
but i have heard its invites only , and only locals the organisers want in it :nonono:
I would want to pit my wits against you 2 if i was others :thumbs:
Bad luck geeijoe s
Maybe next year , when you got tom to beat :bleh::thumbs:

[Graham Hill]

BEST did someone say best :bleh:
i had 11 fish on the comp , one 3 pound but was not going to kill it , as would have lost weight over night ,for weigh in ,
wouldnt have killed it anyway ,
your right though graham , bit strange you and joe cant go in it as you WON the pairs
This comp is on wsf as you say , so i take it its not just for the chosen few :uhuh:
but i have heard its invites only , and only locals the organisers want in it :nonono:
I would want to pit my wits against you 2 if i was others :thumbs:
Bad luck geeijoe s
Maybe next year , when you got tom to beat :bleh::thumbs:

mate,,to be honest i love the comp side of things and a bit dissapointed that joe and i are banned,,like telling argentina and brazil that they are out of the world cup,,ha ha
but it is the loss of the comp not to me i know we will be fishing anyway and that is all that matters
and to add not in a good spirit of the 2012 olympics that the sailing is been staged in weymouth
gee

[Chad]

Well, I'll be there and I couldn't give a crap who else is there. For some of us it's not a "competition" it's a "festival". I'm looking forward to meeting some great guys I've yet to meet from the "darkside" as it's known on here.

Whatever your personal differences with the organisers I wouldn't like to see anyone excluded from taking part :uhuh:

...but running scared? I really dont think thats the case, most people I know taking part are going for the fun of it, not because they desperately want to win.

[Ben 10]

Well said Chad...:clap2:

[mark333]

Well, I'll be there and I couldn't give a crap who else is there. For some of us it's not a "competition" it's a "festival". I'm looking forward to meeting some great guys I've yet to meet from the "darkside" as it's known on here.

Whatever your personal differences with the organisers I wouldn't like to see anyone excluded from taking part :uhuh:

...but running scared? I really dont think thats the case, most people I know taking part are going for the fun of it, not because they desperately want to win.

well it aint for the prizes :blink:

its more of a meet thing me thinks , as you say .
For me it was great last year organisers want a few , to stop and shop ,
big guy turns up with a wagon load of plugs, rods and bits , starts selling um , so funny
please dont believe its JUST for the meet chad ,
little bit more to it than that :thumbs:
I was always going to fish post results up , im sure graham and joe will join me now
they got nothing else to do :bleh::bleh::bleh:

but to ban last years winners cause there face dont fit , or they are not YES men
and as i do , just tell the TRUTH about things that dont work , break , fall apart
is a bit sad .
Do you think if graham didnt just say it as it is ( as i do ) and keep on saying this is great that is great
just for sake of saying it . he wouldnt still be in it , of course he would
cant do right for doing wrong , weird

[Chad]

well it aint for the prizes :blink:

its more of a meet thing me thinks , as you say .
For me it was great last year organisers want a few , to stop and shop ,
big guy turns up with a wagon load of plugs, rods and bits , starts selling um , so funny
please dont believe its JUST for the meet chad ,
little bit more to it than that :thumbs:
I was always going to fish post results up , im sure graham and joe will join me now
they got nothing else to do :bleh::bleh::bleh:

Fair enough, hopefully I'll see you guys down there, I dont know you or Gee but I benefit from the advice you occasionally give and respect you for that, some of the dubious back biting that goes on here can be a bit disheartenting at times but that's not my argument.

You take what you want from it, I dont feel the need to visit the shop and spend till I get the divorce papers through from the misses. Sure, I like getting new gear just as much as the next tackle tart, it is an addiction and for some of us it is an opportunity to have a nosey and see lures in the flesh as it were rather than just online.

As for the 'guy' with a boot full last year, Maybe some people asked him to bring gear so they could look at it before they part with their cash? Ever consider that? I know I did and I'm very happy with my supermix 270 thanks very much ;)
:bleh:

Of course some people would like to cash in on it, if you run a business it's only natural to want it to succeed, but please....lets not pretend there arent people who promote their own interests on here either though eh Mark? Guides who sells plugs with regular links to their "blogs" and new threads about certain plugs that are currently in stock.....I could go on but all I'll say is people in glass houses..........:bleh::bleh::bleh::clap2: lol

The rest of us plebs arent mugs you know and winning those comps will do a lot to promote certain peoples fishing prowess and ultimately their guiding business too.

Thats all fine by me, I make my own choices and aren't lead down any garden paths. One day I'd be happy to call on someones expertees for a couple of days to help me improve but for now I'm happy to keep on meeting like minded fishermen and learning the hard way.

These 'comps' are a great way to do that ;)

[mark333]

Fair enough, hopefully I'll see you guys down there, I dont know you or Gee but I benefit from the advice you occasionally give and respect you for that, some of the dubious back biting that goes on here can be a bit disheartenting at times but that's not my argument.

You take what you want from it, I dont feel the need to visit the shop and spend till I get the divorce papers through from the misses. Sure, I like getting new gear just as much as the next tackle tart, it is an addiction and for some of us it is an opportunity to have a nosey and see lures in the flesh as it were rather than just online.

As for the 'guy' with a boot full last year, Maybe some people asked him to bring gear so they could look at it before they part with their cash? Ever consider that? I know I did and I'm very happy with my supermix 270 thanks very much ;)
:bleh:

Of course some people would like to cash in on it, if you run a business it's only natural to want it to succeed, but please....lets not pretend there arent people who promote their own interests on here either though eh Mark? Guides who sells plugs with regular links to their "blogs" and new threads about certain plugs that are currently in stock.....I could go on but all I'll say is people in glass houses..........:bleh::bleh::bleh::clap2: lol

The rest of us plebs arent mugs you know and winning those comps will do a lot to promote certain peoples fishing prowess and ultimately their guiding business too.

Thats all fine by me, I make my own choices and aren't lead down any garden paths. One day I'd be happy to call on someones expertees for a couple of days to help me improve but for now I'm happy to keep on meeting like minded fishermen and learning the hard way.

These 'comps' are a great way to do that ;)

YOU are a great guy :clap2::thumbs: clever as to .
As i have said before , i have never , will never get involved with the tackle trade , have been offered it more times than your ever know , and by people you would faint if i told you , not interested
my reasons are

1 .. If some things cr.,p , its crap
no amount of money would by my silence

2.. we all know what goes on , (with plugs in mouth shots )
sorry to upset you lads 85 percent is bull , so you buy it
I have been BEGGED to stick this plug that plug in gobs (not going to happen )

3 .. Ima range , sussuke , i got spanked by with Henry
kommomo 11 , is out of this world fish catcher , and im trying lots of others (I PAID FOR ) zonks , gaterides speak for them selfs ,and ill be honest , if there poop , for me , ill tell you ,any plug , couldnt give a monkeys what graham thinks about that , and to be fair , hes never asked me to do it , unlike a FEW others

4 . lrf , fff , wtf ,,, is great but it aint always for bass , its about cornering a new market .
Cruel on bass , and lots of deep hooking , undergunned rods ., over length fights , not good for bass , imho opinion
a meet went on recent , where lots of blokes where doing it , blanking big time , a chap came up took 4 bass in an hr in front of them on a plug , cause they couldnt cast the 40 yards needed :blink::uhuh:

5,guiding , did a FEW last year , got 5 booked this year ,(6 one for charity) never charged full price , (although every one caught ) and you wont hear to much about them , cause a lot of people , dont want it up , dont want it on here , and its self promotion , would rather these people went away , told others , best way , and the way for me
Do 1 guide , do 5 , 20 , or a hundred , its not going to change my life
if people want a short cut , cause they live miles in land , or are to busy , fair play to them i say , but until someone asks for it to go up , i wont be pushing it , like others do , not interested in taking locals (could have had 30 plus of them ) what a great move that would be :uhuh: so about 6 grand give or take , not takin. 60 70 mile rule

6.RICHARD (dorset fishing rods ) builds rods to your spec
for between 180 & 250 pound
unreal quality, i bought 2 , i paid full price ask him (i bought lower end stuff ,do for what i need ) , and he sponsors me
think that means if a guide breaks , or rod snaps he will mend it
(which im sure he does for all )

7. If certain rods are great blanks , but made by 3 year olds and last a year or to , surly its better to say ,
some people seem to shy to , but i know loads that are falling apart , and people dont want to say a thing (if i paid 400 ish for a rod id cry )
so rich rebuilds them , big wow , hes a rod builder , my cut for loads of leads , big fat ZERO ,
WHY because to me in fishing there's good guys and bad guys , blokes that tell it as it is , and be your mate cause they like you and you get on , good guys
BlokeS that love you, till you stop telling um there kit is great , and you stop spending , and you see that bulling about things really is not the way forward in this great sport
could go up to
8
9
10
etc etc

but i hope you now no where i stand :thumbs:
ment what i said though chad , you do seem a good sort
great post :thumbs:

PS
MORE TO LIFE THAN MONEY
cheers

PLUGGING HOOD

[Chad]

I get it dont worry ;)

It's not exactly fashionable to buy rapala's these days but I have loads because I think they are great quality hard as nails lures, clackin raps, Surface and Subwalks, skitter pops, shads, Maxraps, x-raps I love em. As they say millions of fish each year cant be wrong...

As far as rod building goes, I'll be contacting Richard if/when the need arises. Cant see the point buying new if I can get a perfectly good blank rebuilt but at the same time, everyone loves new toys occasionally. I have about 15 rods for spinning and fly fishing, do I need them all? Do I fu..

LRF - well i'm recently subscribed to it I have to admit but i'll be using the gear for dropshotting for perch, spinning for chub and small jacks even trout is the opportunity arises. Also for targetting smaller fish in harbours, estuaries etc... I agree, it's not for your regular bass session but that doesn't mean it don't have a place in fishing. I wouldn't take a 7/8wt fly rod to a small stream to target little brownies just as I wouldn't take my 5wt sage VT2 to target Pike on the fly. Small fish can often be good sport when conditions aren't always right for the lunkers ;) Don't rule it out, think how many kids get into fishing with just a cheapy set from Argos catching small river fish.

Anyway back to topic....

For me it is the taking part and you have to say thanks to the organisers for arranging these things for one simple reason.
Without them how many people would get off their collective arrises and meet up, make new friends and as we all would like to see promote the sport?
Sure there is the odd meet but not ususally on this scale, great opportunity for all involved regardless of their skill or motives.

Maybe see you there :)