Catch & Release competitions

[brightsea]

after readin somewhat wearily a debate amongst anglers about why certain competitions operate kill/weigh in, i am shocked that people would rather adopt a laissez faire approach to arguing for the case for change, citing reasons such as what if people cheat, its only a small number of bass.

Well, people cheat, look at the any top level international sport. And those that do are invariably dicsovered and hounded out of the sport, some to come back with their tails between their legs, and forever be known as cheating scum. Fishing would be no different. It is also true that some people are accused and are innocent. Ultimately they themselves will know the difference.

Competitions may see the removal of few fish compared to the tons taken by pair trawlers, or factory boats hoovering up bait fish. But this does not excuse a laissez faire approach to ecological practice.

Stakeholders (ranging from individual anglers/competitions/private companies/environment agencies/governments) should be encouraged to provide responsbile leadership, and to seek and champion best practice at the scale appropriate to which they are responsible.

If competitions do not take a lead regarding Catch and Release I believe they are shunning their ethical repsonsibility to the sport/actviity which they serve to promote, and i would like to hear thoughts from people who may think otherwise.

A simple "google" will provide a range of Catch and release rules that would restrict cheating to a realistic level from across the world that with no great degree of difficulty be adapted to suit particular compeition needs.

Why can we not debate the various methods on here, a forum with a lively and experienced membership, openly? So that all may have their say and all may put forward ideas.
Ulimately It would be down to tournaments to decide thier own rules as they see fit and for us, as compeitors, as the consumers, to exert our choice, and let market forces decide the outcome.

I hope this sparks debate, rather than personal slights.

[JamesHunt]

Intresting read,.....but i give it until 11pm before it gets moved to the conservation forum or deleted.

[brightsea]

I think the best place to discuss lure caught catch and release tounrament rules would be the salt,fly lure and plug fishing/meets matches etc board. Unless i am missing something??

[JamesHunt]

I think the best place to discuss lure caught catch and release tounrament rules would be the salt,fly lure and plug fishing/meets matches etc board. Unless i am missing something??

I understand, but i always am under then impression that somthing like this will eventually get out of hand, and there for should be placed in the conservation forum where i believe returning fish would come under.....
If you want me to remove my post i will.
I dont want to cause any problems etc.................

[Graham Hill]

after readin somewhat wearily a debate amongst anglers about why certain competitions operate kill/weigh in, i am shocked that people would rather adopt a laissez faire approach to arguing for the case for change, citing reasons such as what if people cheat, its only a small number of bass.

Well, people cheat, look at the any top level international sport. And those that do are invariably dicsovered and hounded out of the sport, some to come back with their tails between their legs, and forever be known as cheating scum. Fishing would be no different. It is also true that some people are accused and are innocent. Ultimately they themselves will know the difference.

Competitions may see the removal of few fish compared to the tons taken by pair trawlers, or factory boats hoovering up bait fish. But this does not excuse a laissez faire approach to ecological practice.

Stakeholders (ranging from individual anglers/competitions/private companies/environment agencies/governments) should be encouraged to provide responsbile leadership, and to seek and champion best practice at the scale appropriate to which they are responsible.

If competitions do not take a lead regarding Catch and Release I believe they are shunning their ethical repsonsibility to the sport/actviity which they serve to promote, and i would like to hear thoughts from people who may think otherwise.

A simple "google" will provide a range of Catch and release rules that would restrict cheating to a realistic level from across the world that with no great degree of difficulty be adapted to suit particular compeition needs.

Why can we not debate the various methods on here, a forum with a lively and experienced membership, openly? So that all may have their say and all may put forward ideas.
Ulimately It would be down to tournaments to decide thier own rules as they see fit and for us, as compeitors, as the consumers, to exert our choice, and let market forces decide the outcome.

I hope this sparks debate, rather than personal slights.


Well put Sir ,there are only a few comps as far as Bass are concerened in the Uk(jersey,weymouth) and to be fair due to the probable inexperience of the organisers in the proper match fishing world of C@R it is easier to go the keeping way,,i know this has been thought of in the upcoming 2010 weymouth comp and to be fair considerations for C@R are been banded about by the organisers but as discussed in earlier threads hard to deal with on there part,,,

i certainly agree that the C@R route is the way to go and implementing that route into Future organised comps,,,,
then i would say you can create a proper league table,manufacturers within the fishing world would endorse the series easier ,, sponsorship and every thing that goes with that to push our sport out of the doldrums,,
i Believe for ALL our love of Bass Lure fishing to move forward the old ideas of keeping fish for a weigh in have to left behind, and the fact is,! that there is no reason in the world why this cannot happen,,,,

gee

[steve pitts]

See here for an example of what can be acheived.
http://ukbass.com/2006/11/first-c-r-trophy-awarded.html

I'm sure that BASS would be more that willing to explore opportunities to support competition organisers promote and conduct C&R in competitions by providing length / weight tape measures (http://ukbass.com/2008/04/bass-measuring-tape.html ) etc, but ultimately, such comps will always be based to a large extent on trust.

Cheers
Steve

[brightsea]

See here for an example of what can be acheived.
http://ukbass.com/2006/11/first-c-r-trophy-awarded.html

I'm sure that BASS would be more that willing to explore opportunities to support competition organisers promote and conduct C&R in competitions by providing length / weight tape measures (http://ukbass.com/2008/04/bass-measuring-tape.html ) etc, but ultimately, such comps will always be based to a large extent on trust.

Cheers
Steve

Think that with the easy avaibility of digital cameras, cheap memory cards (which could be issued by competitions), not a great deal of technical wizardry, some offical measurement devices, and some further thoughts and discussions the ability to limit opportunity for those who must cheat (to a realistic degree) can be done fairly easily if people put their mind to it

[Tunny]

BrightSea,
This has to be a trolling post.
catch and release post from from someone that lists a 6.8lb bass taken with a spear-Classic Did you put it back???

Thanks BrightSea, best chuckle I have had in ages!!

[JamesHunt]

BrightSea,
This has to be a trolling post.
catch and release post from from someone that lists a 6.8lb bass taken with a spear-Classic Did you put it back???

Thanks BrightSea, best chuckle I have had in ages!!

LOL!!!
I didnt notice that!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[tern]

BrightSea,
This has to be a trolling post.
catch and release post from from someone that lists a 6.8lb bass taken with a spear-Classic Did you put it back???

Thanks BrightSea, best chuckle I have had in ages!!



Tunny stop trying too start arguments, this thread is clearly about C&R in competitions. Its a shame you didn't take note of the posters last sentence.

[JamesHunt]

Tunny stop trying too start arguments, this thread is clearly about C&R in competitions. Its a shame you didn't take note of the posters last sentence.

I had noticed that on the other hand...................:giveup:

[Tunny]

Tern,
What argument????
I have reread my post and nowhere in it do I agree or disagree with the comments posted by Brightsea.
As to my comment regarding a post about the importance of C&R from someone that lists taking a mature breeding bass with spear. It was made due to the fact it the post and the profile are plainly at odds to each other.
I wasn't rude, I didn't insult Brightsea, or say that spear fishing is bad (perfectly legal as far as I know).
I think some people need to relax and stop jumping to conclusions.

[Graham Hill]

See here for an example of what can be acheived.
http://ukbass.com/2006/11/first-c-r-trophy-awarded.html

I'm sure that BASS would be more that willing to explore opportunities to support competition organisers promote and conduct C&R in competitions by providing length / weight tape measures (http://ukbass.com/2008/04/bass-measuring-tape.html ) etc, but ultimately, such comps will always be based to a large extent on trust.

Cheers
Steve

Steve,,

That would be a fantastic input from BASS and good to see we are not alone,,if it is ok i will get in touch with some of my Ideas on C@R compertitions for the future

Cheers Graham

[oldchukka]

Tern,
What argument????
I have reread my post and nowhere in it do I agree or disagree with the comments posted by Brightsea.
As to my comment regarding a post about the importance of C&R from someone that lists taking a mature breeding bass with spear. It was made due to the fact it the post and the profile are plainly at odds to each other.
I wasn't rude, I didn't insult Brightsea, or say that spear fishing is bad (perfectly legal as far as I know).
I think some people need to relax and stop jumping to conclusions.subtle as ever :spiteful:. but not funnytunny.:bicycle:

[brightsea]

Tunny,I've slaughtered hundreds of bass if not thousands working as a fisherman on a rodding and netting boat. My father owned a trawler and has a local port record of bass landed. So as far as my family goes we've got plenty if blood in our hands. My views on fishing to kill ver the past year have changed significantly I am still working on my dad! The more enjoyment I have received from lure caught bass has radically changed my outlook on the fish from a food Stock to be harvested for profit toseeing a more sustainable use of such fish. Knock me if you must, you'll only look the worse for it. I no longer spear fish, but have taken up under water photography, and find this much more intrinsicly reward than plonking a big dead fish in front of my friends on the beach and stating look what I just killed. That's not how I ride any more. I blieve we need to be a bit more serious about fish stocks rather than the generation that helped kill them off. IMHO

[mark333]

Tunny stop trying too start arguments, this thread is clearly about C&R in competitions. Its a shame you didn't take note of the posters last sentence.

well said that man :rtfm::rtfm::rtfm:

[mark333]

Tunny,I've slaughtered hundreds of bass if not thousands working as a fisherman on a rodding and netting boat. My father owned a trawler and has a local port record of bass landed. So as far as my family goes we've got plenty if blood in our hands. My views on fishing to kill ver the past year have changed significantly I am still working on my dad! The more enjoyment I have received from lure caught bass has radically changed my outlook on the fish from a food Stock to be harvested for profit toseeing a more sustainable use of such fish. Knock me if you must, you'll only look the worse for it. I no longer spear fish, but have taken up under water photography, and find this much more intrinsicly reward than plonking a big dead fish in front of my friends on the beach and stating look what I just killed. That's not how I ride any more. I blieve we need to be a bit more serious about fish stocks rather than the generation that helped kill them off. IMHO

great post mate , well written ,and very honest of you :clap3::clap3::clap3: take no notice mate , we dont :nerd:

[fishdorset]

Tunny,I've slaughtered hundreds of bass if not thousands working as a fisherman on a rodding and netting boat. My father owned a trawler and has a local port record of bass landed. So as far as my family goes we've got plenty if blood in our hands. My views on fishing to kill ver the past year have changed significantly I am still working on my dad! The more enjoyment I have received from lure caught bass has radically changed my outlook on the fish from a food Stock to be harvested for profit toseeing a more sustainable use of such fish. Knock me if you must, you'll only look the worse for it. I no longer spear fish, but have taken up under water photography, and find this much more intrinsicly reward than plonking a big dead fish in front of my friends on the beach and stating look what I just killed. That's not how I ride any more. I blieve we need to be a bit more serious about fish stocks rather than the generation that helped kill them off. IMHO

Nice one Brightsea.
I've nothing personally against anyone trying to earn a living from the sea, in a way anyone involved in building, selling etc anything in the fishing industry shares part of providing a means to kill fish.
I fish for sport and the table.
Education and government changes are what will make the difference, one person educated today can educate two tomorrow and so on.
On topic of the C & R competition, I'd be greatly in favour of this. I course fish and have match fished for a club where C & R is the only thing practiced obviously, but other countries would eat the fish we put back.
But I have to say that bass are not the only species under pressure.

[oldchukka]

brightsea, --- well said and thank you for your honesty. stick to your principles mate.:victory::thumbs:

[gulp me drug]

If more people took Brightsea's attitude to posting.....then WSF would be a better place. Well done Sir!

[Graham Hill]

Tunny,I've slaughtered hundreds of bass if not thousands working as a fisherman on a rodding and netting boat. My father owned a trawler and has a local port record of bass landed. So as far as my family goes we've got plenty if blood in our hands. My views on fishing to kill ver the past year have changed significantly I am still working on my dad! The more enjoyment I have received from lure caught bass has radically changed my outlook on the fish from a food Stock to be harvested for profit toseeing a more sustainable use of such fish. Knock me if you must, you'll only look the worse for it. I no longer spear fish, but have taken up under water photography, and find this much more intrinsicly reward than plonking a big dead fish in front of my friends on the beach and stating look what I just killed. That's not how I ride any more. I blieve we need to be a bit more serious about fish stocks rather than the generation that helped kill them off. IMHO

brightsea,,

very refreshing well said ,,,its a pleasure to have you on here as a convert as most are

Gee

[Tunny]

Well Good for you Brightsea,
Nice of you to take the time to explain, and very well put as well.

To all those that jumped in trying to stir things up. Shame on you. This is a discussion forum. People are meant to be able to air their opinions without a choir of off topic negitive posts , as long as those post obey the rules. Shame how a few can spoil things.

Brightsea,
I sure our paths will cross at some point as I fish a few marks along the east sussex coastline. Hope we get a chance to chat and compare results. Best of luck with 2010, hope you can match your successes wth bait, with a lure. From your other posts that you have the knowledge/skills to do it.

[Griff_]

That's not how I ride any more. I blieve we need to be a bit more serious about fish stocks rather than the generation that helped kill them off. IMHO
Brightsea, I appreciate your honesty on this post, and very brave of you to stand up and be counted. You won't get many (any?) anglers disagreeing with your current attitude towards bass as a sports fish rather than commercial fish. The sooner UK authorities realise that a far greater value is available via angling for bass then the quicker we can see bass stocks protected, and subsequently rising. If only we could have the help of more enlightened commercial fishermen like yourself we would be in a stronger position. Good luck with your 2010 season and I hope we see some good catch reports from you!
By the way, I release the vast majority of the bass I am lucky enough to catch. Any that are kept are eaten and enjoyed fresh by my family.