Teaching yourself the pendulum.

[Bagstar]

Im looking for advice on teaching myself the pendulum cast from video or dvd. I don't have time for an instructor to show me as im working on and off all the time.

[pobolycwm]

john holden did a good vid as did sea angler and neil mackellow but nothing beats a few hours with a casting instructor

[DoZZa]

Veals have a few of the DVD and VHS from both Niel Mackellow and John Holden.

Check it out https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/Shore.html

[mick.p]

Im looking for advice on teaching myself the pendulum cast from video or dvd. I don't have time for an instructor to show me as im working on and off all the time.



Save yourself hours of reading books and hours of watching video's + save yourself loads of money. An hour or two with a proper instructor giving one2one instructions will get you there much quicker.

Trouble with self teaching is, you can spend an awful lot of time making mistakes and once you have the habit of doing it all wrong, that habit becomes very hard to brake.
A good instructor can teach you more in an hour, then you can teach yourself in 6 months or longer.

[smiley73]

just out of curiosity.. how much would casting lessons cost approx? :g:

cool that we have a section for it now :clap2:
its my new-years resolution to master the pendulum...

al

[pobolycwm]

normally 10-15 quid

[groomyd]

Thats cheap: a decent golf lesson costs £45 for 45 minutes!

[Ian_Montrose]

Anyone know of a decent instructor within reasonable travelling distance of Montrose? Tried the fishcoach.org site but couldn't find anything.

[pobolycwm]

phone up the sea angler mag they have coaches listed for most areas

[daiwint]

do wat i did watch a video go out and put it in practice then once you think you got the basics right go for a lesson with a casting instructer well worth the money

[Black Beard]

Anyone know of a decent instructor within reasonable travelling distance of Montrose? Tried the fishcoach.org site but couldn't find anything.

These are the omly two I have in Scotland: BB

ARGYLL
RON WHITE Kintryre, 01583 421157.

LANARKSHIRE
PAUL JOHNSON Overtown, 01698 351127.

[xcrisx]

i just watched other guys on the beach and asked them to show me how they did it. it didnt cost me anything and i learned it pretty fast. i can now confidently cast upwards of 25 feet with the wind behind me.

[Black Beard]

On learning to cast, I have people come down for lessons and would take a virgin caster every time.

It normally takes longer getting rid of bad habits than actually teaching a style!!!

With regards to pendulum casting, I will not teach it to anyone who is unable to cast 150 yards of the ground after a couple of hours tuition.

If you cannot cast that far OTG, you have no chance of casting with the lead swinging and no idea where it is!!!

I live on Romney Marsh in Kent and would be happy to take individuals or small groups for instruction.

I will be having a knee replacement surgery early in the new year but after that will hopefully be back in the swing. BB

[daiwint]

theres an offer for you m8 if neil cant teach you no one can take him up on his offer m8

[smiley73]

cheers for the price poblycwm!

i would also very muchly like to take you up on the offer of some leasons in the not too distant future Black Beard if possible, spare slot permitting :)

around spring-time would be good but with regards to your knee and recovery first. maybe see if a couple of lads (just the one or two) from south wales would like to join in for a days coaching if thats o.k with you?

just overhead lobbing at the moment so im pretty much virgin'ly :hypocrite

all the best, al

[eug]

Im looking for advice on teaching myself the pendulum cast from video or dvd. I don't have time for an instructor to show me as im working on and off all the time.
i got told the best way to learn is with an instructor and a stick ,i asked what the idea of the stick was,he replied ,to hit you with when you get it wrong,lol:clap3:

[wriggitt]

http://www.myfishcasting.org/TCN/index.php

Dont know if this is any use. Got some short videos on it

[tack4]

as mentioned in scottish section there is a scottish casting event monthly these are not all about cometition but instruction is freely available and althogh not mentioned as a "qualified" intsructor Pete Ingham aka purgalaspete is worth his weight in gold

My first measured cast (which i thiought was a good cast) was approx 62 yds with 5 oz weight i had doubled that by end of the day

my best cast to date is an inch short of 165yds OFF THE GROUND

I am only now after 18 months developing an arielised cast that flies 160 yds but with out tips and help from pete, Paul Johnstone, Peter Thain and the many unrecognised casters in SSA i would still be faffing about and limited in casting

Cheers guys

[DINOBOY]

i got told the best way to learn is with an instructor and a stick ,i asked what the idea of the stick was,he replied ,to hit you with when you get it wrong,lol:clap3:

so thats why you are always black n blue:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[flattiefanatic]

I actually prefer OTG. I feel like I can generate more power for some reason, I guess I just dont have the right technique for an efficient pendulum.

[lewis888]

With regards to pendulum casting, I will not teach it to anyone who is unable to cast 150 yards of the ground after a couple of hours tuition.

If you cannot cast that far OTG, you have no chance of casting with the lead swinging and no idea where it is!!!

I've never cast otg in my puff, never tried it and I doubt I ever will, it just doesn't feel right to me. Even when I set up for an otg I feel awkward, uncomfortable and get that feeling where you know the cast will be a disaster! Plus I feel I could never get enough power behind the cast without starting with the lead swinging.

Despite having never learned otg, I think I have an alright pendulum style, maybe I would think differently if I was on the other side and was watching myself cast! But it feels nice, comfortable and smooth and gets me reasonable distances :D

[Bagstar]

I think I have mastered the OTG cast as far as I can with no tuition, infact im more than happy with it and would not consider getting lessons unless it was in some way going to help me learn how to pendulum.

[welsh caster]

surfcast wales last meet of the year is on 31 December its in cow bridge we have over 5 casting instructor's in the club so come along and get some free instruction we will be there from 0830 until about 1600 ish . go to our web site for the directions and a look around don't worry if you can only cast 50 yds we all had to start some where. www.surfcastwales.com

[cain]

hi, i cast at anglia sportcast, we cast all year and offer free tuition to anyone wanting it. the tuition is free but we do ask you to join the club for insurance purposes.anyone wanting any more info either pm me or go to
www.anglia-sportcast.co.uk

[keith n]

I actually prefer OTG. I feel like I can generate more power for some reason, I guess I just dont have the right technique for an efficient pendulum.

yes - i feel like that myself , but i seem to be stuck on 182 yards - just cnt seem to get past it , so am aiming to learn to swing next season.

Look out for any of the casting clubs , i joined the north western surfcasting association last year and really enjoyed myself
BE WARNED though - it does hook you , i find myself looking forward to the casting sessions rather than the fishing .AND contrary to what i was saying last year (and i really meant it ) i find myself buying tackle to use just on the field which will probably never see water (I've even bought a couple of abu reels - and i HATE abu reels)

[AndrewJS]

BE WARNED :I'm the same - I started casting over grass in March and already have 2 rods and 4 reels just for casting! I haven't fished as much and I've got through more line in the last 9 months than in the last 9 years!! I had a go at 18g plug casting recently and that is the "Dark Side" of field casting. Already thinking about an outfit for that. Help!!

[keith n]

BE WARNED :I'm the same - I started casting over grass in March and already have 2 rods and 4 reels just for casting! I haven't fished as much and I've got through more line in the last 9 months than in the last 9 years!! I had a go at 18g plug casting recently and that is the "Dark Side" of field casting. Already thinking about an outfit for that. Help!!


i had a go at the 50g last year and enjoyed it so much i just got a zzippy rod and am after a um1 to go with it - great fun:) . Not tryed the 18g , bit frightened to really as if i buy yet another rod and reel the wife will kill me

btw , dont know about other clubs but the nwsa allow kids to have a go - my 8year old hit 62 yards lthis year and is really looking forward to next year

[lewis888]

BE WARNED though - it does hook you , i find myself looking forward to the casting sessions rather than the fishing .AND contrary to what i was saying last year (and i really meant it ) i find myself buying tackle to use just on the field which will probably never see water (I've even bought a couple of abu reels - and i HATE abu reels)

This is totally true! I was out casting on sunday and I'm already looking forward to the next casting day in January :D Ditto on the abu reels, I'm not a big fan of them because the feel week and flimsy compared to 525's etc but I think I'm going to treat myself to another abu for xmas just because they are so nice to cast....it's a slippery slope! :D

[tack4]

any chance of a cast with your rod lewis at next event?

aim to get some practice in before hand

[lewis888]

any chance of a cast with your rod lewis at next event?

aim to get some practice in before hand

Sure thing mate, hoping to get some practise in before then too, see you there! :fish:

[cupboardlad]

just out of curiosity.. how much would casting lessons cost approx? :g:

cool that we have a section for it now :clap2:
its my new-years resolution to master the pendulum...

al

its my new year resolution to master baiting
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
cuberd

[DAVE H]

I must be doing it wrong ...ALL this talk of what will it cost whats the hourly rate
Well I am a sea angler casting instructor And charge nowt I just love to see the look on a anglers face when he put 20 -30 yards on his best cast with in two or three casts ..
I am in leeds west yorks and teach saturdays and sundays.
And will take any one from newbees to good casters that need a fault sorting out
O.T.G --X Cast -- uni tec--- pendulum..

[purglaspete]

Good man Dave ,I was explaining this on the other section in casting that all of the instructors that I know do it because they like helping others cast further ansd safely ,its seems that philtherod wants us all to have letters after our names and charge everyone like the fluffchucker teachers do .:g:

[smiley73]

its only fair to reward a man for his efforts, time and skill though.

weather it be a pint and some pub-grub or a few quid in the pocket. thats the way i work anyways....

al :)

[Ajohn]

I think you will find that the Sea Danglers casting instructors don't charge anything at all if you go to where ever they are - they didn't some years ago anyway.

John Holden's casting cd is on ebay or his web site. It's good and well worth the money. Even if you do see a casting instructor the cd will give you a very good idea about what you are trying to do and how to do it. The principles he puts over can be used to extend and style of cast even overhead. The problem with teaching yourself is errors - you can't watch yourself cast.

John

[philtherod]

Good man Dave ,I was explaining this on the other section in casting that all of the instructors that I know do it because they like helping others cast further ansd safely ,its seems that philtherod wants us all to have letters after our names and charge everyone like the fluffchucker teachers do .:g:

So do I!! But the finance to buy insurance has to come from somewhere. I don't care if people have letters after their name, but don't knock those that do, they earned them. If private Johnson Beharry passed near you, you would stand aside as I would for the holder of the highest award for bravery in the face of the enemy that can be awarded. I would happily stand aside if a WORLD CHAMPION decided to pass on knowledge to a beginner.
Here comes the problem; I am a trained coach. The world Champion won on the day. That doesn't train him to pass on information. Ask yourself when was the last time that a tennis coach won Wimbledon. (Answer: never), but who do aspiring Wimbledon champs go to to train, last years champ or the coach that trained that Champion? Obvious, really.
I read that some can take a beginner to 80,90, even 100 yards. I aspire to getting my clients to up to 100 yards further than that. How?
ASK THEM! Those who have been trained by a licensed coach will never forget what has been explained, WILL YOU!! Within my quiver of skills I include Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs, Learning retention rates, lesson planning, feedback sessions, Kohlb's learning cycle, assessment, evaluation sessions, do your sessions include these learning methods, proven in adult education over many years. Mine do!
As I said earlier, we need coaches in your area. If you want to become a coach, we are here to pass you, not to fail you. Ask LandsEnd Tony, South-West Moderator, he took the course, and I had the pleasurable task of telling him he has passed, as his independent assessor. Can you imagine how he felt, and how you would feel in the same situation.
Coaching in the UK is a Government initiative, with Long-Term Athlete Development and Long-Term Coach Development running side-by-side with the Olympic games firmly in sight. Join in or you will be left behind, finance is available in some circumstances (ask Sallysludgebucket for info.)
We're here to help...don't knock us, we know what we're doing!!

philtherod

[mick.p]

I can't see why anyone has to pass a test to teach casting or the need to carry a piece of printed paper, or charge a fee to give instructions to people that want to learn.

In our club ASC, i don't know anyone that has this so called certificate. All i do know is we have some of the worlds best casters, that have cast for England "A" and "B" teams, that will spend hours, weeks or months, free of charge to teach anyone that joins the the club. They will teach all the safety rules and the style you want to learn, and not up to 100 metres or 200 metres, but up to the world's top distances if required.

You get the lot, Membership, Full cover insurance, Training and discount tackle for £15 PA.

Sorry, but i can't see anyone with a so called piece of written paper being able to offer anywhere near any of that.

[purglaspete]

so Phil according to you the likes of world casting champions like Neil Mackellow and Peter Thain are no good at teaching casting because they are only champions and do not have loads of letters after their names ,you say that you have to see the people that taught them but only if they have lots of certificates and paperwork ,

well as far as I am concerned I think that these two men are more than capable of teaching me and others to cast ,
and this is no disrespect to you Phil.

For example with their help I have cast at the UKSF and held UKSF casting records for the 150gram,125gam fixed spool and also the 75gram multiplier , these guys are world champions because they know what they are doing .and what about all the dads that take their kids fishing are they going to have to have all these certificates because as soon as the dad says here you are and this is what you do .:g:

I know what you are trying to say Phil, I have done courses and have certificates ,British Red Cross , St John,s Ambulance , SITO. etc I even have one that says I,m qualified to train the trainer ,but the majority of the course work is about common sense and breaking the task into sections and assessing the risks and the needs of the individual as not everyone absorbs the information at the same rate , it was just that when working in a factory and being paid to do this job and this is the crux of the matter the being PAID means that you have to have some form of recognised training.but this certificate does not mean that I would be able to do the job better than Neil, Peter or any of the other casters .

my advise to anyone is if you wish to improve on your casting not just distance but safety as well go to a casting club and join or be a day caster and you will get loads of help and be able to see lots of styles and variations and different sized people using their gear to see what may be suitable for you .and I should imagine that it will be cheaper

to me this scheme of trainers looks like a busness
I can just imagine the advert

Hypothetically
Mr Bloggs A.B.E.L (no offence to any Mr Bloggs out there )
Casting Instructor
Individual or Group rates
max 8
£$$$$$$$ per person per day
£$$$$$ per group of 8.

[swelleyman]

Fascinating thread!

After 60 years fishing somewhere were 60yds is too far I find myself, 'thanks' to WSF, fishing in a variety of venues where I have to cast much further! However I find that my conscious mind will not transfer things/instructions to my unconscious (its the drink!) mind! So I look at videos, read instructions, watch those WITH the knack, and still remain frus-bl**dy-trated!!

Some thoughts:

At least CDs etc. let you see in slow motion (even) what it is those with the knack are doing (even if John Holden's CD shows a beginner's cast which is identical to me 'casting'!)
Having lessons from the golf Pro has got me practicing 'good' moves rather than the Diabolically bad things - "muscle memory", he keeps saying, when my old muscles suffer from muscle AMNESIA
Being brilliant at something does not automatically QUALIFY someone to TEACH/INSTRUCT just as well as they cast! Mind you it does with the exceptional!
I did teach well myself mind you and was a tolerably good, on my day, teacher educator - that's the problem I think i'm continuously evaluating the golf pro's teaching!!)
Yes I take what well meaning mates, who are good casters, tell me and put that away in the Swelleyman Database. They would not offer advice unless they wanted to help (the afflicted one!!!) for which I am very grateful!!
So BBs offer is exceptionally magnanimous I think, pity he's not about in North Wales!
PRACTICE is the key!!! Got to be??
And finding an instructor, free or otherwise, who's on the same wavelength as you (poor bu**er!)
2007 Resolution!!!
Mind you one excellent caster who helps me is also in for Knee Surgery just now - is this an occupational hazard???Mind you the best fish I had this year was a sucidal 2lb 7oz Rockling which gave itself up at the base of an Anglesey cliff on a rod with a tip so damaged that I couldn't cast with it!!!!!!!!! Makes you think dunit!!!

[The Penetrator]

A UKSF committee member/instructor near enough trebled my cast and took me to many casting events all free of charge. I've met most of the casting personalities from the South and they all can't do enough to help. I'm also a much safer caster too.

If I snuff it, he gets my gear.

[philtherod]

[QUOTE=swelleyman;421476]Fascinating thread!

Being brilliant at something does not automatically QUALIFY someone to TEACH/INSTRUCT just as well as they cast! QUOTE]

As our friend the teacher says, you might be able to do it, it doesn't mean you can teach what you are doing!
Sorry Pete, you are miles off the truth of what is happening in coaching within the U.K.
Sports related injuries are commonly caused through unqualified "coaches" encouraging their students to "Go for it" or "Hit it a bit harder, it'll go if you do!". This applies in coarse and game angling as well as sea.
I have many times had to undo the damage these persons have done to unsuspecting clients; this includes back, wrist and neck problems caused by well-meaning amateurs who think as they have just won a trophy it qualifies them as a coach. Sorry, no it doesn't.
I had my methods examined a few years ago by "COPE", an independent organisation who examined and assessed workplace stresses and strains, and my methods came out clean, as I was concerned that I might be doing some damage with the methods I was using.
A licensed coach has available continued professional development, some of which may not at first sight be directly applicable to the sport concerned. Jo and I attended the Devon Coaching conference a couple of years ago and attended a mental psychology training workshop. With the use of the information passed on to us, the England ladies team came away from the World Championships with the Team Gold medals, the individual Silver, and individual Bronze.
Can you say the same?
This is the future, we need coaches in your area, wherever you are. We'll train you then its up to you how far you go. We have too many dinosaurs in our sport, lets get rid of them and go forward to a new era of confident sea anglers who know what they are doing and why.
My angling hero was Ian Gllespie, who died at 44 from a heart problem; his memorial is not a lump of stone in a lonely graveyard, but a new mathematics and I.T. wing called the Gillespie wing at the school he once taught our young people. He taught me a lot with his writings, and he became a personal friend, don't let him down or me by siding with the dinosaurs, who don't like the inevitable, CHANGE. Without his active brain, we wouldn't have the breakaway lead, and without a scientific approach towards casting, there would be many thousands still struggling to understand WHY!

philtherod

philtherod.

[DAVE H]

NEVER mind all the slaging off who is a good teacher and who can teach or not teach the black art of casting..
I know a lot of the OLD school Casting Instructors we are not has beens
we just do it for the love of the sports of fishing and casting.
fine if you want to make a bit of brass thats up to you phil but it dont make you a better teacher by charging £££££
Hope you pay the tax man his share.
I teach for the love of my sport not for brass
AND i have never left any one in pain...

[smooth hound]

Hi Everyone, can anyone tell me me were a casting instructor is i live in kent south east, many thanks everyone

[The Penetrator]

Hi Everyone, can anyone tell me me were a casting instructor is i live in kent south east, many thanks everyone

Try here:

http://www.kentsportcast.myby.co.uk/

[arc]

NEVER mind all the slaging off who is a good teacher and who can teach or not teach the black art of casting..
I know a lot of the OLD school Casting Instructors we are not has beens
we just do it for the love of the sports of fishing and casting.
fine if you want to make a bit of brass thats up to you phil but it dont make you a better teacher by charging £££££
Hope you pay the tax man his share.
I teach for the love of my sport not for brass
AND i have never left any one in pain...

Could not agree more Dave :clap3:

I'm also on the Sea Anglers Instructors list and member of the Scottish Surfcasting Association and one of those "well-meaning amateurs" who like to help out others with their casting . I like to think that anyone who comes to me for advice goes away with more insight into casting be it from the safety side of casting to the fact that they dont have to give themselves a hernia trying to cast a long way .
I think its great that there are people like Phil who offer a service such as his but I cant see what is wrong with registered casters who ,as Purglaspete put it ( in the looking forward thread ) are vetted by other instructors offering a service throughout the country to others wishing to learn how to cast farther .
BTW I dont charge either .

[JumboHaddock]

A couple of questions (they may have already been covered)
How do you become a casting instructor?
Anyone know of a good one in the Portsmouth area?

Cheers in advance.

[philtherod]

A couple of questions (they may have already been covered)
How do you become a casting instructor?
Anyone know of a good one in the Portsmouth area?

Cheers in advance.
I'll PM you about how to.
Colin Olver in Bournemouth can probably help you. Put his name in google and you should get his site.

philtherod

[Black Beard]

A couple of questions (they may have already been covered)
How do you become a casting instructor?
Anyone know of a good one in the Portsmouth area?

Cheers in advance.

HAMPSHIRE
ADRIAN FARLEY Hayling Island, 023 92 461371.

[pobolycwm]

yup ada on hayling island rocks i used him myself

[crack off colin]

Thanks Phil

I am a fishing casting instructor who many years ago was taught by Phil and Roger Pearce and have returned to him from time to time for a review as even casting instructors get into bad habits :uhuh:

I am not a field caster and would be be hard pressed to put a bait more than 150yds with a relaxed style.

Having said that I teach for the joy of watching peoples faces when their rod locks up and they increase their distance by yds with ease I do not charge but like to involve the casting with a fishing session with the pupil supplying the bait so we can talk about bait and rigs as well as watercraft.

Most people I teach are only interested in fishing casting and are in the main thumpers who are sub 100yds and hopefully i can help them to increase their fishing range.

On a personal note I became an instructor to pass on as much info to fellow anglers as I can as back in the early days I made all the mistakes people make loads of burnt thumbs and birdies and the frustraction of going nowhere with my casting until phil helped. I have made a lot of friends through teaching and am never short of fishing buddies.

If a coach wants to charge then good luck to him but i teach for fun mine and the pupil:blink:

[slayer]

Thanks Phil

I am a fishing casting instructor who many years ago was taught by Phil and Roger Pearce and have returned to him from time to time for a review as even casting instructors get into bad habits :uhuh:

I am not a field caster and would be be hard pressed to put a bait more than 150yds with a relaxed style.

Having said that I teach for the joy of watching peoples faces when their rod locks up and they increase their distance by yds with ease I do not charge but like to involve the casting with a fishing session with the pupil supplying the bait so we can talk about bait and rigs as well as watercraft.

Most people I teach are only interested in fishing casting and are in the main thumpers who are sub 100yds and hopefully i can help them to increase their fishing range.

On a personal note I became an inst ructor to pass on as much info to fellow anglers as I can as back in the early days I made all the mistakes people make loads of burnt thumbs and birdies and the frustraction of going nowhere with my casting until phil helped. I have made a lot of friends through teaching and am never short of fishing buddies.

If a coach wants to charge then good luck to him but i teach for fun mine and the pupil:blink:

hi colin
dont know what your doing on the 29th of this month but i plan to fish chesil abbotbury have posted a thread http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48961 hopefully a few wsf members will turn up
i for one think my castng need fine tuning so if your about and can pop down that would be most apricated.if not im sure i will catch up at another meet
cheers

[sciroccoGTX]

Im looking for advice on teaching myself the pendulum cast from video or dvd. I don't have time for an instructor to show me as im working on and off all the time.

I have recently (last month) bought Neil Mackellows video 'Going the Distance' and Ian Heaps 'Distance casting' featuring John Holden and previously Alan Yates 'Shore Casting Techniques' in my search for extra distance.

In my opinion the best of the three has to be Ian Heaps with John Holden. Although an old video, it is not dated. John begins with the very basics in slow steps. He shows the basic push/pull of the rod, laying the lead immediately behind the caster, and continues slowly from there.

Alan Yates first gave me a rough idea of what is needed to cast well but in not such a concise manner, although he does highlight the tackle side of things.

Lastly the video that I was least impressed with is Neil Mackellows 'Going the Distance' The problem I found with this video (apart from the music!) was that there wasn't enough detail emphasized. I felt that things weren't explained well enough, such as the basic push/pull, and that the video was too short.
However I was impressed by the 'Reel Tuning' part as Neil did go into a lot of detail into servicing Penn's 525 and an Abu Mag.

I too am looking for a casting instructor or some tuition in my area (aberdeenshire) and felt that videos might help my technique.
I'm stuck just now on an OTG style and am trying to get to grips with an aerialised version. It is bl**dy awkward..........or I am.

[cain]

video`s, books etc can only guide you.
there is no substitute for a few lessons with an instructor, if your on your own and trying to copy what you`ve read/watched then how do you know where your going wrong?

[diamond dave]

video`s, books etc can only guide you.
there is no substitute for a few lessons with an instructor, if your on your own and trying to copy what you`ve read/watched then how do you know where your going wrong?


Very very true :clap3:

I reaped the benifits of going to a few SSA events in Stranraer & was helped, poked & prodded in the right direction by Purglas Pete & ARC ..... still can't thank 'em enuff. :notworthy
Went from 80 yds to 148yds on my 1st meeting. Just need to get out & practise again !

[rich the fish]

lads i found a thread a week ago with casting vid and bait pumping on it cant find it now please help im the page if you can

[Ian Houlton]

This site is absolutely teaming with Pro-anglers of all levels who Willingly give help advice on a massive scale for nothing, which is how it should be. Black Beard offered me advice on casting via PM earlier this year and i took it, relaxed and worried not about distance and it was one of the most helpful items of help i ever had.
Philtherod is full Time angling, it is his job to make money doing angling related things and he is also at the high point where it comes to coaching courses. You may not need Letters at the end of your name, but i know it will not always be that way and so does Phil and he can help you get those quals.
As for being happy about charging people for his services, he would be a bloody fool not to and good luck to him, he does plenty for nothing with alarming regularity.
Colin Olver (crack off) is the same, i have had time from this bloke and it put me 50yds further while being stood 20yds further back and caused less stress on my body than ever and it cost nothing.
"As for doing it for the love of the sport" I take loads of newbies fishing for nothing because i like it, I have people coming from north yorkshire tomorrow , using my boat and my "limited "advice and more than likely my new Kitchen for nothing.
Hopefully when Phil Hyde has finished with me some time next year, I will be taking people for the whole day starting from their breaky, right on to bait digging/collecting to a venue where they can catch fish (hopefully) while learning new skills and hopefully teaching me some.
I do it for nothing at the moment, but when i get my letters they will be coughing up unless i know them already.
Pete Hegg runs Chesil Angling tours and i doubt people think he should do it for the love of the sport, why should Phil?

It is the Government being incistent on letters after your name.

[DAVE H]

DONT be putting the lads down that do it for nowt
just that you take a two week course dont make you better teachers of casting
or angling skills THAN A MAN that has 40years of fishing.
IF you want to make a JOB out of it fine , BUT dont slag the Insructors that have been doing it for years.

[Mark(south)]

Philtherod,

I consider myself to be a fairly competent caster. I hold a current UKSF/UK record and have won a few events and I was in the England Team in Portugal this Summer.

As an angler I have won club matches, leagues etc so I know my local beaches and how to fish them fairly well.

For a living I work as a mechanical Engineering Instructor. My qualifications in this field are many and varied but include Cert.Ed and hopefully at the end of Feburary B.Ed. Qualifications that took the best part of 4 years studying to attain.

I happily teach anyone locally who asks me to cast for no cost.

What is this 4 day course, thats gonna cost me a fortune to attend, going to teach me about teaching that I am not already aware of?

Why are you more qualified than I am to teach Casting?


Just wondered!!

[Ian Houlton]

DONT be putting the lads down that do it for nowt
just that you take a two week course dont make you better teachers of casting
or angling skills THAN A MAN that has 40years of fishing.
IF you want to make a JOB out of it fine , BUT dont slag the Insructors that have been doing it for years.


Not doing that Dave, never went anywhere near in fact, I said that i do the same.
What i said is that people make a living doing all sorts relating to fishing.
I was tryin to say that you either make a living, or make a lifestyle and no more than that. sorry if you never understood what I meant.

[Bagstar]

Howcome this same old arguement has to pop up all the time? Im not even sure that it has anything to do with my original question, which was how to teach yourself the pendulum. This section has only been open a week or so and this debate has spread onto two threads already.

[Ian Houlton]

Howcome this same old arguement has to pop up all the time? Im not even sure that it has anything to do with my original question, which was how to teach yourself the pendulum. This section has only been open a week or so and this debate has spread onto two threads already.

Your right bagster and i apologise, sorry dude and i hope to meet up soon for a session, either in the bar or on the beach.

[winterfisher]

Your right bagster and i apologise, sorry dude and i hope to meet up soon for a session, either in the bar or on the beach.

congrats mate 2000 posts:clap3:

[Bagstar]

Thats cool, I have found most of the info on this thread really helpful so far and didn't want to see it turn into a bitch fight! Im looking forward to getting down to see Phil if possible even if I only stand and watch for a while it will no doubt teach me more than I know already.

[Ian Houlton]

congrats mate 2000 posts:clap3:

cheers mate, I did have 3600 total but mike has been clearing some old posts for members recently.

[DAVE H]

OK BAGSTER
I would not teach myself as it is easy to get it wrong and it feel right.
GET a Casting Insructor payed or free that up to you .
As they can pick up on where the cast needs tweaking and keep you going in the right mode.
It is so easy to get a bad fault and so hard to get rid of it.

[Jon Bryant]

If you search for Dave Docwra on You Tube there is some decent footage of his style, makes it look so easy:) I think his view has always been to nail the off the ground as the pendulum was an extension of the same cast. He was big on tuning the reel to make it managble too

Cheers Jon