Will a multiplier always outcast a fixed spool?

[groomyd]

Probably a silly question but i'm very happy using a fixed spool because i'm a freshwater angler turned salty!

I can cast long and accurate with a fixed spool for carp fishing and have never used a multiplier except for flicking uptide 40 yards or so.

So really i have 2 casting questions: 1. will a decent multiplier outcast a fixed spool and therefore 2. is it worth learning to use/get a multiplier?

Or is it really just a question of personal preference?

[sallysludgebucket]

I am a freshy turned salty, I will always find the reel upside down and winding the wrong way weird as I was all but born with a coffee grinder in my hand. I have yet to try a left handed multi, as I hold my rod in the right and wind with left, multis feel all wrong. I hear folks say that they only use a fixed spool at night as they normally watch the lead and stop it on the multi as it hits the water to prevent birdys. I am more confident and comfortable with a fixed spool, I get to where I want to cast, the new breed of distance fixed spools are superb.

Try before you buy, can you borrow one and give it a few blasts alongside a fixed ?

[paul shenton]

It depends whos hands its in. A very good caster with a fixed spool will outcast a pretty good caster with a multi:)

[Snaggletooth]

Another freshy turned salty. Tried a multi and have given up on it for a while. If at the end of the day you are happy with the distance you are getting stay with the f/s or if your not, try a casting instructor.

[wilson17]

Probably a silly question but i'm very happy using a fixed spool because i'm a freshwater angler turned salty!

I can cast long and accurate with a fixed spool for carp fishing and have never used a multiplier except for flicking uptide 40 yards or so.

So really i have 2 casting questions: 1. will a decent multiplier outcast a fixed spool and therefore 2. is it worth learning to use/get a multiplier?

Or is it really just a question of personal preference?


Hi Groom , its not such a silly question once you have mastered the multiplier reel , i also have more fresh water experience same as you casting 3 1/2 oz leads to the horizon but where the multipler comes into its own is in the retrieval of an 8.0 oz lead with hopefully a fish on the hook and also a 2/3 or 4 knt tide pulling against the rod tip,the line and your arm . There is no resistance on the multiplier reel face only the drum spinning as the line peels off obviousley aiding distance and the only way i can describe the multipler reel is like a small winch dragging all that weight across the sea bed . Definately worth learning the multiplier reel you will never look back as a sea fisherman .

I can use the multiplier effectively enough for my needs and bird nests are very rare these days but ime sure that the sea experts beach and boat can tell you more than I .

good luck - wilson .:boat:

[Timtu]

For me once i mastered the multiplier there was no turning back, quality fixed spools are still great reels to use but i find you can get more control with a multiplier i.e better cast in the wind, more power retrieving and a tighter line for bite detection. An excellent reel to learn with is the Abu 6500c3 ct elite a lovely no fuss well behaved type of reel or any 6500 mag range,don't try and be to greedy with distance at first and you will quickly get the hang of things and become an expert before you know it :) ,

[littlebabybird]

ughhh are multipiers either left or right handed? not both.

[Carver3689]

you will find that once you have mastered a multiplier there is no turning back (although i like to still use a f/s on the odd occasion)
A few points if you want to buy your first mutliplier:

1. make sure you buy your first multiplier with a level wind...once you are comfortable with it you can then "do it yourself" by either buying one without a level wind or simply taking the level wind off

2. Make sure that your brakes are pretty tight...then as you start to learn about the mulitplier gradually loosen them bit by bit...you'l find as you go on, and you distance casting is greatly improving, you can then slacken them right off (or in my case, get the brakes takin out completely)

3. oh and the third point, dont spend too much on your first multi plier...just get the feel of one first

obviously people have thier own opinion...there is no better reel for casting (f/s or multi)...distance casting depends on what reel you are most comfortable with!

Its all personal opinion...if your happy using a fixed spool (and more importantly your catching fish) then stick with it!

[lewis888]

1. make sure you buy your first multiplier with a level wind...once you are comfortable with it you can then "do it yourself" by either buying one without a level wind or simply taking the level wind off

I can't agree with this at all, a level wind is way more trouble than it's worth. I think some people new to multi's find the idea of laying the line by hand daunting, a few hours laying the line by hand and you will wonder why you even considered a levelwind! :fish:

p.s - in answer to the origional question...no a multi will not always outcast a f-spool, the type of reel is obselete compared to the ability of the caster! Just use whatever you are comfortable with, personally I love multi's and doubt I will ever go back to f-spools for shore fishing other than spinning but that is only my opinion

[Carver3689]

I can't agree with this at all, a level wind is way more trouble than it's worth. I think some people new to multi's find the idea of laying the line by hand daunting, a few hours laying the line by hand and you will wonder why you even considered a levelwind! :fish:

p.s - in answer to the origional question...no a multi will not always outcast a f-spool, the type of reel is obselete compared to the ability of the caster! Just use whatever you are comfortable with, personally I love multi's and doubt I will ever go back to f-spools for shore fishing other than spinning but that is only my opinion

personal opinion mate!...in my opinion, new users would rather conquer the casting technique first then move on to lengthening thier casts...aswell as this, most people prefer multipliers with levelwinds in the dark (night fishing)

i can obviously see where your going though (in a way i totally agree with you)-what is the point in level winds? a question that needs a lot of explaining!, but in connection to this, i often fish at night time and think to myself "i wish i had a level wind on this :uhuh: " ...dont know why...laziness? just a thought :)

tight lines! :boat:

[bigfish]

Well say what you like..........I like levelwinds!:bleh:

[Carver3689]

Well say what you like..........I like levelwinds!:bleh:

exactly what i mean bigfish mate...all down to personal preference!

[wilson17]

i like my level wind , its a shimano calcutta and IMHO it is the dogs doo dars , i dont have to achieve a 100 yrd+ cast fishing of a boat and the level wind does what its designed to do . we make these comments with experience but i had no idea i would end up with the real that i use , i do remember going over a local field and practicing with a multiplier some 20 yrs ago , time well spent as apossed to cracking off on the beach with a pucker rig and a load of bait dissapearing into the horizon . :boat:

[crazyplums]

I can't agree with this at all, a level wind is way more trouble than it's worth. I think some people new to multi's find the idea of laying the line by hand daunting, a few hours laying the line by hand and you will wonder why you even considered a levelwind! :fish:

, personally I love multi's and doubt I will ever go back to f-spools for shore fishing other than spinning but that is only my opinion

I have to agree with the above, the only time i use a fs now, is when either spinning with light gear, or when i have more than two rods out (i only have two multi's).


buy a half decent reel in the first place, either penn or abu mag reels, and practice, I felt the same as Sally with regards to a multi feeling all wrong (i too used to freshwater fish), however, i find that putting the reel (multi) in the low position, then not only can i outcast my f/s, but it feels comfy on the retreive due to there being no rod under my arm. instead... the butt in in my stomach area, while my left arm holds the rod and lays the line, and my right winds in,

i think it feels more natural because your right hand is stil doing something (laying the line), and you dont have a big lump of a rod under the wrong arm ! i've never tried a left hand wind multi. i have had a level wind multi in the past (leeda i think) and would never use one again, great while they work, but a crack off can put it all outta sync and cause loadsa probs !

just work on laying the line, i found it easier to start off with two fingers guiding it (three holding round the rod) and soon found it easier to just guide it with my thumb, you probably wont even notice your transition from thumb n finger, to just thumbing it on, i didnt !


ps, imho... you WILL birdie at night more often, whoever you are, and regardless of whether its a level wind or not, practice is the main thing, when casting, you only need to think of where the lead is gonna go, and when you're gonna stop the spool to try and prevent overrun, with reteiving, you only need to think about laying the line (this comes natural after a while,

however.... try unpicking a big birdie (easy enough except...) on a level wind reel, you've got all that contraption in the way, also, when you get used to it, and wanna put some power into a cast, you'll get a better grip on a multi with out LW, as your thumb can grip around the spool better.

[Rich pickins]

Hi mate,

You have asked seemingly simple questions, but questions which you will see have quite contraversial answers. Reason being that there are devotees to both reels who both feel quite strongly which ones are best.
In answer to your questions however:
1. Will a decent multiplier outcast a fixed spool.
For Joe Average. And by this I mean someone who is not a distance caster achieving less than say 100m on the beach, the answer is probably that the difference would be negligible either way.
2. Is it worth trying a multiplier?
Yes, of course it is worth trying. If for no other reason than to hone up your all round angling skills, and also understand the complications in using one. Fixed spools, particularly the new generation, are much more user friendly and suit the newcomer more easily than multipliers.
3. Is it really just a question of personal preference?
There are anglers who spend hundreds of pounds on rods and reels ( multi or f/sp ) yet never achieve real distance casting through lack of technique. So really, in general, it really is just personal preference.

What will make the difference to your casting is having a good rod, correctly set up reel ( multi or f/sp ) together with strong low diameter line, shock leader etc.,.........Together with having some good coaching!
All the best with your fishing, Rich

[groomyd]

Thanks folks! Not such a silly question after all!:blink:

I'm trying to equate it to golf (something i'm good at and knowledgeable about!): will a set of £500 clubs out perform a set of £200 clubs? Yes but only in the right hands. Could I play as well with the cheaper set? Yes but they wont be as much of a pleasure to own and use and wont feel as good ................

Actually the mechanics of a good cast have a lot in common with a powerful golf swing!

So it seems to me that buying quality is a good idea: a Penn or Abu will last and will be there still doing the right job when i learn to use it.................

Level wind does seem an extra complication and does it really matter if you are a bit clumsy on the retrieve?

I must say I love the look and feel of a multiplier! Maybe because its different and has those boys toys characteristics!

Although why you feel the need to hold your rod upside down and wind with the wrong hand may always be beyond me!!!!!!!!!

I'll let you know how i get on!

One last question: i have a Penn Mag 535gs for boat fishing. Could i use this at first to try distance casting or would i be beter of getting an Abu or Penn 525?

[Ravelling Tangler]

Thanks folks! Not such a silly question after all!:blink:

I'm trying to equate it to golf (something i'm good at and knowledgeable about!): will a set of £500 clubs out perform a set of £200 clubs? Yes but only in the right hands. Could I play as well with the cheaper set? Yes but they wont be as much of a pleasure to own and use and wont feel as good ................

.....and so on....

...on!

One last question: i have a Penn Mag 535gs for boat fishing. Could i use this at first to try distance casting or would i be beter of getting an Abu or Penn 525?

It won't allow great distances, and (because it has a sizeable spool) some people may find it unconfortable to wrap their thumb around when trying to cast more than (say) about 130 yd.

However, it is good for getting the feel of it - provided you aren't trying to "hit the horizon" and is better than the small reels (525 mags or Abus smaller than the 7000) for retrieving heavy loads (usually, sadly, weed ! )

Since you are new to multiplier casting, I'd suggest that you put a soft 25lb or 30lb mono on it and leave at least 3mm (perhaps 4) of free space below the lip of the spool - it will be quite docile like that and unlikely to "fluff up" if you get a hint of a snatch in your casting.

You can still get a bird's nest if you go crazy, or if you don't stop the spool after the lead has landed, but even then it will be 'mild' as nests go !

Try it for an hour or two and - if you like the feel - then think about borrowing or buying a "6000 sized" reel.

You can cast quite well with a multiplier on a fixed-spool rod (the line may touch the blank between rings on retriving some weight, but that's not the casting); if it is a stiff-tipped, through action blank (as some fixed-spool rods are) it may be quite sutable for the "Brighton cast" (or "Uni-tech" or "high-inertia") which gets you range very easily (compared with a pendulum or overhead thump) up to about the 180-200 yd mark.


edit:- forgot to mention - you still need a shockleader with that 25 or 30lb mainline (and the reason I suggest such thick line is because it causes the diameter of the spool to shrink more rapidly during the cast - meaning there is less thrown off each revolution and so less chance of too much being thrown off for the rate at which it is being pulled out of the rod-rings)

[Timtu]

The penn 535gs is a good allround reel with plenty of guts and a fast retrieve thats well suited to rough ground fishing and clean beach if you like, the same can be said of the 525 range of penns because they are upgraded tweaked models of the 535 (better bearings and breaks) which makes them better casting reels than the 535. Abu's 6500 range however are pure casting machines better suited to clean ground fishing,so at the end of the day its probably better having a pair of reels with plenty of guts for the rough and a pair of more refined smaller reels for clean ground,thats what i do anyway, the only problem with that is that you have got to find £500 to spend on 4 reels, but its all about personal preference, whatever makes you happy and catching fish,tight lines.

[Mackembow]

Daiwa 7hts are not a bad price at the moment, they cast straight from the box (after filling with line) and can be made to be a lamb or a tiger

[Timtu]

Forgot to mention about the use of a level wind or not, if you are fishing at distance where long casting is required then absolutely not! (no level wind) this is for two good reasons, firstly a much longer cast can be achieved without a level wind because there is a lot less drag and holdback with a free spool i.e no level wind mechanism racing left to right along the spool causing the cast to slow down and secondly a lot less crack offs and bird nests again because of the level wind mech trapping the line inside the frame or the leader knot catching the mech on the way out. When fishing close in off piers, rocks and platforms etc then a level wind sometimes makes fishing a little more easier especially for novices,hope this helps.

[lewis888]

Thanks folks! Not such a silly question after all!:blink:

I'm trying to equate it to golf (something i'm good at and knowledgeable about!): will a set of £500 clubs out perform a set of £200 clubs? Yes but only in the right hands. Could I play as well with the cheaper set? Yes but they wont be as much of a pleasure to own and use and wont feel as good ................

You've hit the nail on the head there!


So it seems to me that buying quality is a good idea: a Penn or Abu will last and will be there still doing the right job when i learn to use it.................

And again, these reels will develop as your ability does - penn over any ground, abu over clean


Level wind does seem an extra complication and does it really matter if you are a bit clumsy on the retrieve?


Not IMO it doesn't matter if you lay the line badly, yes when casting long distances it does but not so much on the beach. In the past when playing good fish (not very often lol!) line lay goes out the window, most of the time it's fine to cast again: if it's not just cast a plain lead out gently and lay the line properly :D


I must say I love the look and feel of a multiplier! Maybe because its different and has those boys toys characteristics!

Give it a few tries and you'll never go back ;)



Although why you feel the need to hold your rod upside down and wind with the wrong hand may always be beyond me!!!!!!!!!

Again, give it a try and you'll be left wondering how you could use a f-spool :D

[Rich pickins]

"Although why you feel the need to hold your rod upside down and wind with the wrong hand may always be beyond me!!!!!!!!!"

Again, give it a try and you'll be left wondering how you could use a f-spool.

- Sorry mate, but this is a typical comment from someone with either a closed mind or lack of knowledge concerning distance casting with the new generation fixed spools. Really there is just too much `boys toys`about using multipliers for the majority of shore anglers. So unless you have tried a good f/sp properly don`t knock them. On a boat, no contest, a multi is the ideal tool to slowly crank in those bigger fish against a tide.
I use either reel ( 7ht for multi and Shimano Bio for f/sp ) very effectively on the beach but without doubt generally find the f/ spool a lot easier. With my Shimano Bio I can easily chuck a 150gm with bait out 120m +. Much, much more in the field.( For info. 30 lb braid and 60lb shock leader.)
I`ll explain my thoughts why:
- I`ve never had a `birdie` with a fixed spool. Yet invariably this will sometimes happen with a multi. If you are a comp angler you can well do without that.
- Never had to tune my f/sp to cope with different wind conditions.
- Never get cold wet fingers laying on the line, especially in the winter. ( By the way, forget those multi line layers if you want distance. )
- Prefer the very much better fast retrieve of the f/sp to that of the multi, especially where I fish, which is usually quite rough ground. Gets the end gear up and clear of obstacles much quicker, especially with a good fish on.
- For anyone with rheumatism or problem hands f/sp is much easier. Much less complicated.

I have lost track of the times that I have watched guys with multipliers having crack offs, birdies or losing end tackle or fish because of the time it takes them to wind in, lay line etc., There is no doubt, especially given the limited distances which many are casting, that they would find it easier with a good fixed spool.

All i`m saying really is that is IS easier and less complcated for your average angler using a fixed spool reel. Don`t knoock em!

Rich

[lewis888]

"Although why you feel the need to hold your rod upside down and wind with the wrong hand may always be beyond me!!!!!!!!!"

Again, give it a try and you'll be left wondering how you could use a f-spool.

- Sorry mate, but this is a typical comment from someone with either a closed mind or lack of knowledge concerning distance casting with the new generation fixed spools. Really there is just too much `boys toys`about using multipliers for the majority of shore anglers. So unless you have tried a good f/sp properly don`t knock them. On a boat, no contest, a multi is the ideal tool to slowly crank in those bigger fish against a tide.
I use either reel ( 7ht for multi and Shimano Bio for f/sp ) very effectively on the beach but without doubt generally find the f/ spool a lot easier. With my Shimano Bio I can easily chuck a 150gm with bait out 120m +. Much, much more in the field.( For info. 30 lb braid and 60lb shock leader.)
I`ll explain my thoughts why:
- I`ve never had a `birdie` with a fixed spool. Yet invariably this will sometimes happen with a multi. If you are a comp angler you can well do without that.
- Never had to tune my f/sp to cope with different wind conditions.
- Never get cold wet fingers laying on the line, especially in the winter. ( By the way, forget those multi line layers if you want distance. )
- Prefer the very much better fast retrieve of the f/sp to that of the multi, especially where I fish, which is usually quite rough ground. Gets the end gear up and clear of obstacles much quicker, especially with a good fish on.
- For anyone with rheumatism or problem hands f/sp is much easier. Much less complicated.

I have lost track of the times that I have watched guys with multipliers having crack offs, birdies or losing end tackle or fish because of the time it takes them to wind in, lay line etc., There is no doubt, especially given the limited distances which many are casting, that they would find it easier with a good fixed spool.

All i`m saying really is that is IS easier and less complcated for your average angler using a fixed spool reel. Don`t knoock em!

Rich

Yes and I'll say again it is down to personal preference my personal preference is multipliers. I said nothing about f-spools or people using f-spools so before you talk about my "lack of knowledge" look at my other posts regarding the f-spool vs. multi debate and I always say its down to personal preference. Yes multis have their cons but I find fishing with them more enjoyable :)

[Ravelling Tangler]

So getting back to the original question the answers are

YES on the tournament field with competent casters
. . . . except with weights lighter than ( fill in a number ...probably about 40 grams... here)


NO on the beach - depends on conditions, weight used and ability/confidence of caster


DEFINITELY NO for "Mr average " on the beach. Almost anyone who cannot cast more than 150yd (lead only) will cast further on the beach witha good f/s than with a multiplier.

=but the question: "Do you prefer using a multiplier" brings out variable answers=
= as does "which is the better fishing reel" (for this particular type of fishing) =
= and "which is the nicer fishing reel" (for that particular type of fishing) =

[North-East-Angler]

ive just won myself a Ron thompson multi and im still a bit unceen to use it without someone who has t the moment im happy with my FS for now

[Timtu]

In the right hands the multiplier is the ultimate fishing tool but like anything in life use the right tool for the right job for the best results, there are times when using a fixed spool can make certain conditions easier but again on other days only a multiplier will do, the down side to the multiplier is the dreaded birds nest but with practice you will be able to keep them to a minimum i.e one every season or even less, i went 2 years without a single birds nest or crack off on an Abu 6500 ct and this season i have had two on the same reel but that was my fault because i had the brakes almost totally off, just a quarter of a turn on the brake and no problem again. It takes a bit longer to master a multiplier in the dark so go over to a field and practice for a while and count how long your weight takes to hit the ground after casting and with minimal practice you will get the timing right and know exactly when to stop the spool with your thumb, its all good and most importantly have fun:) .

[inford]

in distance terms theres not alot in it between fixed spool and multi

alan forder at dorchester had 267 yrds fixrd spool and around 270 multi backcasting

it aint what you got its the way you use it ive had 240 fixed spool and 249multi backcasting

[mick.p]

I use both reels.
On the field with a fully tuned multi, it can outcast a F/S, BUT! the distance difference is quite small, and some tournament casters can cast a F/S further then some tournament casters can chuck a Multiplier. So it all depends on the day and the man behind the rod.

For fishing, i mostly opt for the good old F/S for speed. With a F/S i can reel in change rigs and cast out again much quicker then the guy next door using a multiplier. Fishing distances are much the same for either reel when fishing, as you can-not fish with a fully tuned multiplier reel.

IMHO, there will always be a place in the world of fishing, for both reels.

A bit like Marmite, some like it, some don't.

[Nick Snow]

Mick P, I personally like marmite, and your post reassures me! as the owner of 3 x Penn 525's and corresponding rods, plus 2 x Shimano Ultegras, i'm going the braid / fixed spool route. As most my fishing is after work in the dark, also the lack of birdnests (especially with cost of braid) , the 525's are going on their way. The retrieve speed as you say is second to none, however you must be careful you dont winch fish as you will bump them off!

I've gone full circle :

Fixed > Multi > Fixed

and i'm happy now, I want easy good trouble free fishing.

But that new Penn 525 MagX sounds good!!!!!

[mick.p]

Mick P, I personally like marmite, and your post reassures me! as the owner of 3 x Penn 525's and corresponding rods, plus 2 x Shimano Ultegras, i'm going the braid / fixed spool route. As most my fishing is after work in the dark, also the lack of birdnests (especially with cost of braid) , the 525's are going on their way. The retrieve speed as you say is second to none, however you must be careful you dont winch fish as you will bump them off!

I've gone full circle :

Fixed > Multi > Fixed

and i'm happy now, I want easy good trouble free fishing.

But that new Penn 525 MagX sounds good!!!!!


Good on ya mate.
I am sure that you will end up a happy bunny.

As i said, i can use either reels pretty good, both on the field and on the beach and i can never knock the old F/S for fishing.

[bigfish]

I use both...I like both!

The guys who insist that multipliers are THE reel to use are (in my opinion) simply deluding themselves into thinking that by using the kind of reels that top tourney casters use,they too are in the same league! i.e. I drive a Ferrari = I must be Michael Schumaker!

[mick.p]

I use both...I like both!

The guys who insist that multipliers are THE reel to use are (in my opinion) simply deluding themselves into thinking that by using the kind of reels that top tourney casters use,they too are in the same league! i.e. I drive a Ferrari = I must be Michael Schumaker!



LOL, your probably right mate, but do they ever drive them out of first gear.
I think quite a few anglers are really brainwashed into thinking that Multi reels are the dogs danglers, simply because they read it in mags, or like you say, they see some of the top casters hitting the horizon with them.

I fished next to guy, he got two rods set up, all looking the Bees knees, first cast CRACK. Picks up his second rod, Ditto CRACK.

I pulled in three fish before he got a line into the water. I reckon he lost 8 sets of tackle inside a couple of hours.
I went for a walk and asked how he was getting on, making out i hadn't seen his crack-offs. Guess what, he told me he was a Tournament caster..LOL

Well what could i say, i was going to help him, but decided to leave him to it. He was a fine example, of not having a clue how to fish or cast.

[DJMCJERICO]

I prefer fixed spool for beach or pier fishing and multiplier for up tiding.

I got a multiplier for crimbo and used it on the beach, first time in years, got into a couple of tangles but was casting a bit further, the effort put into the multi for the extra distance didn't really seem worth it.
Next time I go I'm going to use a fixed spool and multi side by side and see what really suits my style best.

[groomyd]

Why should you get crack offs with a multi?

[mick.p]

Why should you get crack offs with a multi?



Tuned correctly, and casting smoothly, you shouldn't crack off.

Trouble begins when people start to look for greater distance, setting up reels to run faster trying and gain more distances, before they have gained a good casting technique.

Other reasons.
Spools out of balance, oil on brake blocks, line not wound back nice and even onto the spool. Wrong leader knots, not enough leader, too much leader, spool slip, overfilled spools, are a few of the common reasons for cracking off.

[groomyd]

So much to go wrong!

By the way i' not a novice!!!! I'd like to see some of you macho multi launchers flick a waggler under the overhanging branches of some far bank trees and then trot it through mending line perfectly with the breeze upstream!!!:bleh:

Thanks for the debate though folks. Seems to me i need to try both out and give the multi a fair go!:clap3:

[Ravelling Tangler]

So much to go wrong!

By the way i' not a novice!!!! I'd like to see some of you macho multi launchers flick a waggler under the overhanging branches of some far bank trees and then trot it through mending line perfectly with the breeze upstream!!!:bleh:

Thanks for the debate though folks. Seems to me i need to try both out and give the multi a fair go!:clap3:

You've neatly bypassed and sidestepped your own question:- obviously you should be trying a Centre-Pin for beach fishing ! :notworthy :) ....... and whether you use a good ol' Starback, Scarborough or a high-perfomance Arial / Rapidex / Aventa depends not only on the weight of the gear but how you feel about it. ;)

[blankerman]

just recently got a multi myself.have tried some practice casts in a field,and at the moment can consistently cast the fs 10-15m more than the multi,and the multi seems only to be lightly braked:unsure:

[groomyd]

Your view Mr Tangler seems to be "multipliers are for the experts" while others (who are clearly experienced fishermen think that once you've given a multipler a go you will never go back while others (who are equally experienced) say it depends on your preference. Some say it casts better some say it plays fish better and has more winching power.

Hence my conclsuion that i need to give them both a go.

How have i side stepped my question?

[bigfish]

Your view Mr Tangler seems to be "multipliers are for the experts" while others (who are clearly experienced fishermen think that once you've given a multipler a go you will never go back while others (who are equally experienced) say it depends on your preference. Some say it casts better some say it plays fish better and has more winching power.

Hence my conclsuion that i need to give them both a go.

How have i side stepped my question?

Groomy mate it's all a bit pointless arguing about multi's versus fixed spool because when it comes to standing on the beach and chucking a lead,everyone uses what suits them best!
If guys want to delude them selves into thinking that multipliers make them better fishermen - well that's just their problem!
As I said before,I use both kinds of reel and am equally happy with both,if someone wants to look down his nose at me when I'm using my f/s then so be it!

I just don't give a *****!!!!!!

[alan.w]

Groomy mate it's all a bit pointless arguing about multi's versus fixed spool because when it comes to standing on the beach and chucking a lead,everyone uses what suits them best!
If guys want to delude them selves into thinking that multipliers make them better fishermen - well that's just their problem!
As I said before,I use both kinds of reel and am equally happy with both,if someone wants to look down his nose at me when I'm using my f/s then so be it!

I just don't give a *****!!!!!!

Good call matey,i use a fs from the beach and cast just as good distance as most multi users,and notice that hitting the horizon everytime does"nt mean your going to catch more fish than the fs user because most of the time fish feed close in most of the time anyway.tight lines and best of luck for 2007.:)

[bigfish]

Good call matey,i use a fs from the beach and cast just as good distance as most multi users,and notice that hitting the horizon everytime does"nt mean your going to catch more fish than the fs user because most of the time fish feed close in most of the time anyway.tight lines and best of luck for 2007.:)

Alan you're right about guys outcasting the fish,I'm sure that all the Bass fanatics will tell you that the most likely range for finding the fish is way short of 100yds!

[SuperBassMaster]

always used f/s since i was 4 yrs old until i tried to reel in my 1st cod the other day in a fast flow with a heavy weight. managed to land it and same day decided to go and buy a sl20sh. used it since and made the transition easy, just dont try and cast too far too soon. i am now hitting 100 yds with it, only a bit less than my f/s was, and i still got the big brakes in it!
the quicker retrieve and winching power of the slosh is awesome and i have no doubt that it will do the job over heavy ground and in fast tides better than a f/s would.
however. when i am back on the flatties and bass it will be the f/s for me again. just cos i like em

[mick.p]

Why do people think a multiplier cast further then a F/S when fishing??
I once had a guy come up to me and said , Blimey mate, must be your lucky day, all them fish and your only using a F/S. I'm using a Multiplier and a tournament rod, i ain't had a bite.
He was convinced his gear was the best, and he should be the one catching the fish.
Little did he know, that with my F/S, i was chucking a bait out well over 170 yards.

Strange things some people come up with. As i have said, i can use both reels pretty good, but far from the best. In the right conditions, i can chuck a baited hook quite a long way with either reel, more then enough distance for fishing.

On the field, i use a completely different set of reels, set up for casting, NOT fishing. Multipliers are tuned to cast a long way, F/S spools are loaded with more line, bail arms removed etc. They would be useless for trouble free fishing.

[Ravelling Tangler]

Your view Mr Tangler seems to be "multipliers are for the experts" while others (who are clearly experienced fishermen think that once you've given a multipler a go you will never go back while others (who are equally experienced) say it depends on your preference. Some say it casts better some say it plays fish better and has more winching power.

Hence my conclsuion that i need to give them both a go.

How have i side stepped my question?


It was the bit about casting -no flicking- a waggler under overhanging branches and then trotting it downstream..... :kissing: Surely that's about accuracy and paying off line

It goes to show that you can't always get folks to answer the question you ask
(which on this post only was "will a multi always outcast an fs" )
( my underlining on the above "always" )

The answer has to be "no" (except in the very limited occasions of tournament casting with weights over about ...... whatever)


I'm presuming here that "outcast" means "cast further"

We've had answers from "yes mate I can cast further than ***** and I use a multi" to "it's much nicer for winding in, and more practical for ......"


Me ? Well I was unusual - I used a multiplier on the beach for years before I had a fixed spool and (so) prefer the feel of them

I can probably cast further with a multi than I can with an f/s with every weight over about 3 oz but I haven't checked.
I'm pretty sure I can cast further with an f/s with weights under 1 1/2 oz (even though I do have some multipliers with a spool capacity of about 100 yd of 8lb mono and find they are great fun)

I would find my Z5000 f/s more practical for uptiding over most of the marks I do that on - you don't need much of a swing to cast 50 yards, quite a stunted "snatch" will work if , say, it is too tricky moving around the boat to get a safe overhead lob away. And I'm sure (on those marks) it will handle fish up to 20lb+ quite easily.

Questions that could be answered:-
Which reel is nicer (for most anglers) to cast a long way, with baited end gear ?
for "nicer" read either "more fun" or "less trouble" as you like
Which is more practical at night ? For use uptiding ? Over rough ground ?
Which do you prefer in a gale (headwind ? ) (tailwind ?)
If you use both, do you use both at the same time (2 rods) ?
Does distance matter ? Can you type in an occasion where you strongly believe it did (you had to cast a long way or had to cast short or had to hit exactly the right spot) ?
Do you pick your tackle more for the feel than for how many fish it'll help you catch ?

[Timtu]

This subjects now becoming boring, and i am sure that some people could write a whole book on the subject and will talk on and on about all kinds of technical jargon that means nothing to the majority of us but at the end of the day its horses for courses, laters and goodbye on this one for me now!.

[spinyeel]

G'day.We use multipliers over here to cast heavy lures at Mulloway up to 35kg.We fish a river mouth up to 200 metres from the shore in wetsuits.These reels spend hours under water with ship loads of suspended sand in it.A quick take apart,rinse and lube when you get home,and the reel will last a bloody long time.Try doing that with a spinning reel year after year.Van Staal excepted.No contest.Plus we hold our rods a lot while fishing and spinning reels are much heavier.People over here call them eggbeaters.

[GBNeil]

G'day.We use multipliers over here to cast heavy lures at Mulloway up to 35kg.

Hey Sport - what sort of cranes do you boys use to throw that kind of weight? :)

[spinyeel]

Hey Sport - what sort of cranes do you boys use to throw that kind of weight? :)

The same sort used by our bowlers at the cricket acadamy. :)

[SuperBassMaster]

The same sort used by our bowlers at the cricket acadamy. :)

wahey!
nice mate. as a welshman i love seeing u guys win the cricket. loved that!!

[Rich pickins]

wahey!
nice mate. as a welshman i love seeing u guys win the cricket. loved that!!

Hi Mate!

:secret: You do realise that the E.C.B. is properly called the England and WALES Cricket Board and these teams can incorporate players from England AND Wales!

Rich

[Ravelling Tangler]

ah ...but isn't Pembroke "Little England beyond Wales" so SuperBassMaster , if he looks down on English cricket players (and don't we all, at the moment !) surely disowns any Welshmen who play cricket (for the E.C.B.) ?

[SuperBassMaster]

ah ...but isn't Pembroke "Little England beyond Wales" so SuperBassMaster , if he looks down on English cricket players (and don't we all, at the moment !) surely disowns any Welshmen who play cricket (for the E.C.B.) ?

yes. exactly right. im welsh and proud. and its why ryan giggs of man utd is such a legend, cos he could of played 4 england but chose the lovlier side of the bridge. lol.
im only ribbing u english lot, it aint your fault ur pants :)

[Lobber]

Terminal tackle is a cash drain.. I lose less tackle with a fixed spool (higher retrieve rate) get just a far and dont worry about overun or linelay. I've used both but my back pocket feels better using a FS :)

[lucky]

ughhh are multipiers either left or right handed? not both.
Multipliers are either left handed or right handed. You can't convert them over from one to the other as you can on fixed spool reels - at least on Abus you can't. I expect it's the same on other makes. One area where a multiplier definitely out performs a fixed spool reel is when casting against a strong crosswind.

[mick.p]

Multipliers don't always come out top distance.

Gary Setchell cast a Fixed Spool (240.66m)..263-0-10, that is one heck of a cast.

But! not as good as David Vicary with 257.39m, that's a massive
281.48 yards.

That is a fantastic cast that many a multiplier users will never beat.

[groomyd]

Penn 850 as good as any?

[Ravelling Tangler]

Multipliers don't always come out top distance.

Gary Setchell cast a Fixed Spool (240.66m)..263-0-10, that is one heck of a cast.

But! not as good as David Vicary with 257.39m, that's a massive
281.48 yards.

That is a fantastic cast that many a multiplier users will never beat.

:) wonder if Gary or David have ever beaten them with a multiplier ?

and if we shall ever see most casters getting as far with an F/S as with a multi ?

[mick.p]

:) wonder if Gary or David have ever beaten them with a multiplier ?

and if we shall ever see most casters getting as far with an F/S as with a multi ?


I sure we will see some awesome Fixed Spool results in the near future, especially with the Backcast guys.
Backcasting an old method, but some of the top men are now showing a lot of interest in it's potential ability to throw a lead weight a long way down the court.