Cost of Casting lessons

[solomon]

Can any one tell me how much casting lessons are or give me a ruff guess. anywhere in the kent area
cheers matt

[dave HSM]

get down to the casting club kent sportcast at sutton valence

[Mr Steve Parker]

Try Phil Hyde he will put you in touch with some one in your area.Contact him at Jh01 18c 2560@blueyonder.co.uk Prices I cant help you with.All I can say is Phil helped my casting ability in a few hours.It cost me £45.00 worth ever penny.Im going back this month for more.

[The Penetrator]

It cost me nothing

My instructor even took me to casting competitions to help with my learning.

Some people are different I suppose.

If I ever get enough to knowledge to pass it on, I couldn't charge for it.
The person that helped me did it for free, why should I want to charge money for passing on what he taught me for free.

[dave HSM]

It cost me nothing

My instructor even took me to casting competitions to help with my learning.

Some people are different I suppose.

If I ever get enough to knowledge to pass it on, I couldn't charge for it.
The person that helped me did it for free, why should I want to charge money for passing on what he taught me for free.


i think thats what they call hitting the nail right on the head :clap3: :clap3:

[groomyd]

Top man Andy Miller :clap3:

[geffaz]

very comendable pen! a shame ther isnt more like you.

[Mr Steve Parker]

Solomon the price I told you was on a one to one basis Phil does hold group classes free of charge which I assume his colleges do as well.Contact Phil it wont cost you any thing and the man is just full of information.This guy coaches coaches.

[The Penetrator]

very comendable pen! a shame ther isnt more like you.

Andy needs the congrats mate.:clap3:

It's not just me he's done this for, there are many others.

He gets all my gear if/when I snuff it. :secret:

Not that he needs it. :)

[DAVE H]

THERE are a lot of casting instructors that charge nowt
and some that charge
I got all my casting info for nowt and now give it back for the same NOWT
most of the sea Angler Instructors are free as long as you go to them ....

[philtherod]

I have to make a charge for instruction on a 121 basis...it is part of my living, and my insurance to cover (note these words) coaching and instructing, through SportsCoachUK, costs £73 per year. That covers me for professional indemnity and public liability to £5,000,000 for all instruction for which I am authorised and qualified by the appropriate National Governing Body of the sport. Subscriptions to the Coaching associations add another £150 a year. If you don't think my clients get value for their money, ask them...there are several on this forum. My Saturday sessions are for anyone, I have had anglers in wheelchairs, one blind angler, women and children, and many holidaying anglers, several who come down year after year, to see if i'm still alive I suppose:)
I am not sponsored, and am not a consultant for any company, which means I can recommend tackle without the angler wondering if i'm getting a "back-hander"for doing so. All the rods I use, with one exception, are paid for, the exception is a Conoflex Zest, which is on loan from the company, and is available for anyone to try.
You would have to pay to use the services of a tennis coach, a golf pro, a game angling instructor, a coarse angling coach,a fitness instructor, why do you think that I should be any different?
I have run free casting classes for over 30 years, and have been a Sea Angler magazine instructor for 27 years, I have taught thousands of anglers to become better anglers, not just casters, and will continue to do so, but if anglers want my free time, when I would like to go fishing, then it only fair that they pay for it.

philtherod

[DAVE H]

ok Phil we all know you charge but how much for the 121

[solomon]

Thanks for the reply phil but i'm not asking for anything for free! I just asked how much ruff guess it would be for a 121 lesson so i could get the money together before sorting out any a lesson or two.I ask the question so that i did not waste anybodys time and make sure that i could aford it.
cheers matt

[Mark(south)]

Phil, did you used to charge before you chose to pay for membership to that society?

[inford]

soloman just go to kent sports cast event there are casting instructers there and its alot closer

no disrespect to phil just thinking of the cost and time in travel

[philtherod]

I charge the same as a game angling instructor, £35 for the first practical hour, and £15 for second or subsequent hours. In the 7 years I have been a Professional Coach, no-one has yet needed the second hour - they have wanted more, but haven't actually needed it, all they needed was encouragement, and more feedback on how they were doing, which I don't charge for. At organised events, shows put on by the Governing Bodies, the Environment Agency and others,, I get paid by the organisers of the event (like the NEC), but that is between me and the Revenue and Customs. The show visitors pay an entry fee like the NEC, or it is free to enter, like the E.A. events.
Ask yourself if you think it is worth doing the Coaching course that I did? The answer for me is a definite yes, as my instructing has improved, and will continue to improve through continuous professional development, self- evaluation and assesssment, which is part of most employment these days.
Value for money? Ask my clients!

philtherod

[Ian Houlton]

Solomon the price I told you was on a one to one basis Phil does hold group classes free of charge which I assume his colleges do as well.Contact Phil it wont cost you any thing and the man is just full of information.This guy coaches coaches.

and if someone could put me within 50 miles of where that happens i will give em
£100, because i have been trying to get on a course for well over the year and NOWHERE in england is it being done this year, but could i get someone to tell me that publicly? no i could not. The law apparently changes next year to a point where you have to be qualified before you can run a business either guiding or coaching, Apparently that is mind.

again i will ask the simple question.
If there are coaches already in operation, why is it that i can not get on that course?, the one that they did.
is it because the course was deemed "not good enough"? or because with these new rules upon us there is maybe the opinion that there is enough coaches in any given area?
one thing i do know is that there are plenty of people who want to do it.

[philtherod]

Ian- you have a PM and Email...urgent.

philtherod

[Woody Blanker]

I read this thread with some disappointment, and am going to come out firmly in favour of philtherod and his peers. I have absolutely no intention of upsetting people or starting any Flame arguments.

Philtherod (and his peers) have a very rare skill which is attractive to those people who wish to cast further. We all have to pay our bills in life, and we do that by being self-employed, on a salary, or livng on the interest of fortunes made by our predecessors (I wish!). Philtherod is self-employed (I guess). Therefore he is seeking to pay his bills by selling his skills. And he has overheads and an hourly rate.

If I was fishing next to other people and they liked something I did (tie a hook, flick out a spinner, etc) I would share my knowledge for free if they asked. Because sea anglers have proved time and time again they are nice people.

I have different skills for paying the bills. If someone on a forum asked me how much I charged I would revert immediately to private messages. Professionally I would not publish my rates on a forum.

For example, if I could cast a long way (once again, I wish!) and made a living teaching the skills the rate may vary - you contact me as a corporate day out for 7 keen but inexperienced anglers - my rate would go up because a) you are getting a tax advantage, and b) I would lay on food and probably some alcoholic refreshments. On the other hand you wanted a 121 and had a disability which tugged at my heart strings (similar to the disability of my brother, for example) so I would probably offer you a discount...

I am getting back to fishing after a long, long break. Much has changed. Maybe I will do a lot of surf fishing when I manage to organise myself to work significantly less hours than I do. It is more than possible that I will wish to cast twice the distance that I currently manage. From this (excellent!) forum I have learnt that there are casting instructors. I would approach those in my general or travelling area by PM asking their rates and availability, in much the same way as I would seek the professional services of someone who had skills that I then needed, and didn't personally possess.

I wouldn't ask them to shout their prices out on the internet. But if I want a rod, reel, fridge, camera, and had an idea what I wanted, then I would use the internet to get best price/delivery mixture. The rare skills of casting tuition are in a completely different category to everyday goods.

Putting it another way, if I started a thread titled 'How much do you Earn?', how many would post and make an honest contribution?

Philtherod, I don't know you, but you have my respect. When I manage my diary better you just may get a PM from me!

[The Penetrator]

I can't see anything wrong with Phil wanting to charge, it's down to the individual and if people are willing to pay him, then that's his business and I'm sure that it has its advantages.

I guess that most others teach it for free just for the love of casting and introducing new people to the sport. If I were ever in a position to teach casting, I wouldn't have the neck to charge for it. I'd feel like I were kicking my instructor in the balls.

Each to their own and all that.

[solomon]

After reading all the replys i feel that some how i have upset people. I'm very sorry if i have (still not sure how i have upset people but) All i really asked was did any one know how much a lesson or two was! and if there was any one in the kent area.
matt

[Painy]

I have no problems with people charging for a lesson. I would gladly pay somebody to help with my casting and reimburse them for their time and effort.

However, I dare say that there are some very talented casters and tutors who don't charge, yet offer a fantastic service.

After working as a maths teacher for several years, I found courses of little or no value to be honest. Teaching is something that comes naturally and it is common sense IMO. The courses were like teaching your granny to suck eggs. I've seen teachers with an armful of extra qualifications to their name and whilst it makes them look more qualified on paper, their teaching wasn't necessarily any better.

For those that want the coaching qualifications, I applaud your thoroughness and Im sure you offer an excellent service but is it more down to you as a person and an ability to teach, as opposed to any course you have been on?

[DAVE H]

I have to agree good teachers are born not made.
you have to be able pass on the info in a manner that can be understood
I know some very good casters that can not pass all they know on as they have no skill
to pass on info .
And there are them that have a eye for the sport and can relay there info to others in a manner that the layman can take on board and make it fun
And most learn better if they enjoy themselfs when lerning..

[oldchukka]

well said, :clap3: :clap3: :clap3: :clap3:

[Mr Steve Parker]

Solomon I dont think you have upset any one.I think this is an age old problem.Most people what something for nothing,which I can understand.But if you are in the position where your time is limited you will need to book with some one in your time avalible.I would expect that most coaches unless retired would offer this sort of service as a living.That is why I am more than happy to pay.To repeat myself Phil Hyde does offer free instruction, but at times that does not suit me.Also as I said before contact him as he is sure to know of some one in your area who can help you.Meaning you dont have to travel miles as some one else suggested who did not read my post properly.Good luck and be sure to get your self an instructure which ever way you want to do it,you wont regret it.Steve.

[FAntomcodcatcher]

I think any one wanting to improve their casting skills has three main options:-

a). find a mate who can offer advice in a safe environment.

b). find an instructor who may or may not charge or you should at the very least offer to cover any expenses/costs incurred, even if its a beer in the pub afterwards.

c). find a casting club where there will be hopefully several people using various styles that you can watch & learn from, then as its only human nature pair up with some one you can actually get on with :notworthy & that is willing to offer instruction!

Which ever option you decide on just remember to do it some where safe - your local park or crowded beach is NOT the place to do it! accidents happen & once the lead & the line part company its time to cross your fingers & hope :uhuh:

[cod catcher]

i have had casting lessons in the past and i never payed for them. One time the lad even picked me up as i didnt have a car.:clap2: :clap2:

[crack off colin]

I am one of Phils older pupils and it was him and Roger Pearce who got me started with the casting bug

Many years ago I was in the same position as a lot of casters getting nowhere burnt thumbs no distance using spools of line and making basic errors. A couple of visits to Phil and Roger and I was off learnt more from them in 3 hours than in 6 years and all at nil cost (apart from a few pints)

Although I am on the Sea Angler list I do not charge for what I do as I enjoy teaching people to cast and want to put something back into the sport that has given me so much enjoyment over the years.

I am not a real long distance caster and would struggle to put a baited rig 160 yds what I think I do have is the ability to teach and show people the way forward and to watch their expression the first time the rod locks up and they increase distance.

Most of the people I teach are fisherpeople(and ladies) who can cast up to 80 yds with an overhead thump and only interested in improving their fishing distance
they are not interested in field work so I concentrate on fishing styles.

But as its only a pastime for me thats why I dont charge but If Phil is using his undoubted talent to earn income from it good luck to him.

[YAZAMAAN]

solomon, would,nt worry too much its an on going thing spilled over onto your question,theres a big debate on coaching courses or lack of them on general sea fishing forum good luck steve

[codhead]

I am one of Phils older pupils and it was him and Roger Pearce who got me started with the casting bug

Many years ago I was in the same position as a lot of casters getting nowhere burnt thumbs no distance using spools of line and making basic errors. A couple of visits to Phil and Roger and I was off learnt more from them in 3 hours than in 6 years and all at nil cost (apart from a few pints)

Although I am on the Sea Angler list I do not charge for what I do as I enjoy teaching people to cast and want to put something back into the sport that has given me so much enjoyment over the years.

I am not a real long distance caster and would struggle to put a baited rig 160 yds what I think I do have is the ability to teach and show people the way forward and to watch their expression the first time the rod locks up and they increase distance.

Most of the people I teach are fisherpeople(and ladies) who can cast up to 80 yds with an overhead thump and only interested in improving their fishing distance
they are not interested in field work so I concentrate on fishing styles.

But as its only a pastime for me thats why I dont charge but If Phil is using his undoubted talent to earn income from it good luck to him.

Expect a pm matey.

and a couple of cans of wife-beater :drunk:

[oldchukka]

you certainly did,nt upset me by starting this subject. all you did was give an opportunity for instructors to vent their veiws on the subject.
in the end its up to the individual to decide , who to go to and what to pay for lessons. i,m sure that after your first lesson you will be able to decide if its worth while returning to an instructor, depending on what progress you have made and how comfortable you feel with the safety aspects of your lesson.
instructors of quality and ability can be found by word of mouth, the one,s you see advertising rigorously are not always the best.
the instructors who charge vast ammounts for their services are making a buisness out of it, and you will seldom see what they charge on a forum like this one. -------- thanks and good luck -- bill

[Ian Houlton]

I am one of Phils older pupils and it was him and Roger Pearce who got me started with the casting bug

Many years ago I was in the same position as a lot of casters getting nowhere burnt thumbs no distance using spools of line and making basic errors. A couple of visits to Phil and Roger and I was off learnt more from them in 3 hours than in 6 years and all at nil cost (apart from a few pints)

Although I am on the Sea Angler list I do not charge for what I do as I enjoy teaching people to cast and want to put something back into the sport that has given me so much enjoyment over the years.

I am not a real long distance caster and would struggle to put a baited rig 160 yds what I think I do have is the ability to teach and show people the way forward and to watch their expression the first time the rod locks up and they increase distance.

Most of the people I teach are fisherpeople(and ladies) who can cast up to 80 yds with an overhead thump and only interested in improving their fishing distance
they are not interested in field work so I concentrate on fishing styles.

But as its only a pastime for me thats why I dont charge but If Phil is using his undoubted talent to earn income from it good luck to him.

certainly sorted my casting out old chap :notworthy

and i have to say i have had more help from the guy's that do not charge than i have had from the guys that do, in fact They are entirely to protective of their jobs to actually encourage anyone to get any proffesional qualifications anyway.