Amount of line on Multiplier

[maghouse]

Guys, pondering over my Multi .... if the spool was filled right up with line - I assume the weight ie. inertia be greater than if the spool was half empty .... therefore a smaller amount of line would result in less chance of a birdie through less inertia in the spinning spool ?

[MrBeachams]

Plus a good loss of distance...................handy to lower your line level if your new to multiplyers or fishing into head winds though

[Bootster]

Yep, more line means more chance of overrun during the cast. I always leave a good few mil spare on the spool, it's not as if any normal human is going to empty a reel when casting with bait on. Have noticed that this significantly reduces birdies, as well as the initial inertia problem that you mention, although how much this affects distance I've no idea. I've seen some Japanese multi spools with holes drilled in them to reduce weight further and reduce the inertia problem as much as possible.

I would guess that the birdie thing comes from the fact that more line comes off with each rotation of the spool when full to the brim so any excess coming off will birdie quicker. Don't know if anybody can confirm or correct that, but it seems to make sense.

[philtherod]

That is why field casters wind off the L.H. tension control during the cast, if the reel is not of the Mag variety.

philthefish

[rayking]

Guys, pondering over my Multi .... if the spool was filled right up with line - I assume the weight ie. inertia be greater than if the spool was half empty .... therefore a smaller amount of line would result in less chance of a birdie through less inertia in the spinning spool ?

the line on a multipilier should be about 2 - 3 mm just below the top of the spool .

[lobbit]

i use the 3mm rule the shock takes me to the level mark
15 main 60lb shock
ive tried the mags full and ease off through the cast technique but tbh at 2 theres no birdys and casts are smooth and its less hassle with cold hands
regarding another post i measured using google earth and im getting 100/130yds with a bait on using a rough as a bears pendulum cast
going towards a desperate chuck at the end of a cold wet session

[spill]

I think that it is less to do with inertia (or momentum) and more to do with the fact that the effective spool diameter is less with an underfilled spool, so the spool has to spin faster for the same lead speed. As the spool is spinning faster, the braking effect of the oil/mags/blocks is increased. Also, the spool reduces in diameter faster, forcing the spool to accellerate at a greater rate. The inertia of the spool is the resistance to this accelleration, which puts more tension on the line, reducing the possibility of tangles and to some extent, reducing distance.

The ideal line level will be decided by many factors, including: Spool mass, spool diameter, spool width, line diameter, oil/bearings, mags/blocks, and casting style/distance.

[GrumpyBloke]

When I was teaching myself a type of pendulum cast, I kept the spool level down to avoid to many birds nests.As I don't carry spare reels , when I had a bad nest and cut out the line , there wasn,t enough left on the spool to continue fishing .So don't drop the level to low , or carry a spool of line.

[Corndawg]

When I was teaching myself a type of pendulum cast, I kept the spool level down to avoid to many birds nests.As I don't carry spare reels , when I had a bad nest and cut out the line , there wasn,t enough left on the spool to continue fishing .So don't drop the level to low , or carry a spool of line.



How wise these words are.......

I have been following this discussion,with a lot of interest,as I am as good as a raw recruit to sea fishing,with a pair of multipliers,and had a lot of problems the first time I used one,a couple of weeks ago,in over 30 years of coarse fishing......

I think I started to get the basic idea with them,and having both reels fully loaded with line,I have taken so much off each,to make the 3mm gap from the top of the spool,so I hope it works now......... LOL

I look forward to other peoples thoughts on this too..........

[lobbit]

think (dont quote me on this ) you need to fill your reel up in order for the inertia to brake properly if your line is close to the spool it has to travel further in the first stage of a cast and the brakes cant cope as well as if it were further from the centre of the spool
a common mistake ive made and seen others make is to try and cast as fast as possible a good steady build up with power at the end works for me
and if i start getting sloppy (which i do) i increase the tension on the spool to eliminate any chance of a birdy try practicing like this and work towards releasing the tension and see how you go , lots super tune reels into unruly beasts that only listen to the owner but can get phenominal distances but stick em on a beach for 6 hours in the cold and watch the birdys or panic braking to stop them
i like the effortless aproach good gear nursed = decent solid night fishing
and thats what matters really

[oakley_ten]

i use the 3mm rule the shock takes me to the level mark


Same as that!:)

[Corndawg]

Sorry it's a bit late,but just managed to get on here........

I have watched everyones thoughts on this,and tonight,(well,tea time).I went into the local park,onto the footie pitch,to practice my casting.....

Being quite new to sea fishing,I am what you might call a raw recruit to Multipliers.....(I'm a coarse angler,used to fixed spool).

After a bit of a bash with a multi a couple of weeks ago,I had a go today,in readiness for a meet on sunday,and I removed some line from the spool beforehand,to what folk have been quoting....

I was at it for well over an hour,trying to reach the magic 100 yds,and with the reduced line on the spool,I only birds nested twice........in a lot of casts !!!!!!

I think there is something in this,and will se for certain sunday,when I put theory into practice on the battle front.....so to speak............
Will let you know how I do monday.............

[DINOBOY]

cool thread,what many people miss is that oil has a lot to do with this,if you use the correct mix of oil/brakes and line you can fill most reels to the optimum capacity of line with no problems when casting,ie;take the 525mag many say its too fast even with max mags on,but if you put 20/50 oil in the bearings (all four of them)this slows the flywheel effect of the spool by at least 50% even more if you dont overfill the spool with line.this reel also likes to be filled with 18lb and not the usual 15lb as the line level will drop that little quicker with the 18 so you get less line lift(which causes birdsnests).
the different oil/line combos will also give you more use of the mag controls as when before they were on the max setting you can now fish with a lesser setting giving more scope to add braking when casting a larger bait or into a head wind.

many will say this will cut down casting distance :g: yes it will at first BUT when you feel relaxed with your gear knowing you can CONTROL IT without a crack off or mono mountain sticking out of your reel,casting becomes the point of which you set your sights thus gaining the distance you never thought possible before when you were allways worried that damned reel was gonna blow:schmoll:
try it you might like it:)

[DINOBOY]

That is why field casters wind off the L.H. tension control during the cast, if the reel is not of the Mag variety.

philthefish

this practice does your distance more harm than good as it causes the spool to lose balance on the spindle killing spool speed,once you have set the float to the correct setting leave it alone.this is why mag adjusters are so good:)

[DAVE H]

I Fill all my fishing reels to the top keep you cast smooth and you will have no probs.
And i Fill my casting reels over full by humping the line into the center of the spool
its a little harder to control but you soon get the hang of it.
this is where the mags come into play by setting you spin seed to level that you can get a cast away the smoother the cast the faster the start up speed you can use..
my start up used to be about 8 sec now as i have got better its now 15 to 17 sec

[lobbit]

this practice does your distance more harm than good as it causes the spool to lose balance on the spindle killing spool speed,once you have set the float to the correct setting leave it alone.this is why mag adjusters are so good:)

not really it should be set in such a way as theres no movement in the spool and no more
check after tightning for side movement in the spool
its a good idea for beginers to increase this tension and avoid birdys but distance
will suffer slightly
i do this myself if fishing after dark when my concentration starts to wander
in fact i sometimes wonder why i bothered getting a mag reel they only seem to come into there own controling line speed mid cast or in the wind
my elites set on 2 permanately came out the box on zero and i used it like this no problem but it looked better with numbers showing so two it was lol
i dont think the difference between 0 and 8 is such that my tired efforts at 2 am and by now double flappers are affected in any way by the subtle control it offers
line lay and spool tension are more important to me at this time though

[crazyplums]

i was always told you should be able to feel just the slightest left right movement in the spool (talking abu 6500 elites here), always set it so. i also always have my spool full, the leader wound in a narrower spread on the top to avoid it jamming against the sides, my theory is that the less line on the spool, the faster it spins, so as the line dissapears, it speed up, logical of course, but i suffered more birdies early on with the multi's when i had them only 3/4 full, i rarely get them these days, other than a small amount of over run on occasion.

until recently i used 15 and 18lb F1, i think a .32 or .35 diam, just recently i've changed over to imax line, 15lb is only .30 diameter, it's a really nice line imho, though i havent used it enough to give a fair comparison yet. anyway, i have notice the reduced diameter does cause the line to fluff a little more than usual, though not birdie as i thumb it to slow it when this happens, this may be slightly due to the fact i've only had a chance to use it in howling head on winds so far, the lightest wind being F5 ! but i don't recall this happening with the thicker F1, i usually set the mags at 4-3 in windy conditions (6-70z sinker), 2-0 for calm weather (5oz sinker),

trying not to change the subject too much.... i have noticed a big impact on the amount of line leaving the spool, on a good cast with the F1 .35 (i think) i could empty about 3/4 of the spool, casting with the wind, i haven't managed 1/2 a spool yet with the thinner line ! can't wait for this wind to bugger off so i can compare it properly !

[keegy]

dave h.

do you get enough .32 line on a 5500 for casting the 150gram???.

[philtherod]

i was always told you should be able to feel just the slightest left right movement in the spool (talking abu 6500 elites here), always set it so.

Abu reels with a threaded L.H. sideplate are designed so that tension can be applied to control casting. Older reels had pressure applied to the spindle, later reels where the spindle floated, and was not intended to rotate with the spool, are designed so pressure is applied to the side if the bearings. My reels have movable bezels with 0-9 engraved, which once the spool end float is minimised, can be rotated so the indicator lines up with "0". This is the free-est position, for a learner, I may put the setting to 3 or 4, it won't wear the reel out, as some have been let to believe, if you need to screw the setting to 9, then the user needs some help!! If you run these reels with a low line level, the bearings will wear out prematurely.
Hope this helps,

philtherod