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PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 16:09
Me and Dave (Danix) were bemoaning our casting ability last night,and the need we had for a bit??? of tuition.
Just wondered if any of the regulars on here felt the same, and if we could arrange some sort of mini "teach in" or whatever.
I know there are some top notch casters in the north west area who are regular posters on here,could we arrange something?
Anyone interested?
The brute force approach has run it's course,and it's time for some expert input!
:help:
cupboardlad
04-03-2007, 16:14
:) why not phil , should be a good day out , just need a field thats central to everybody, or even a stretch of beach out the way like , anyway i'me up for it , i'de luv to see how far i can cast and give peeps some pointers too
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cuberd
yep i'm up for it....
maybe we can get the casting instructor from poulton to attend
chorley boy
04-03-2007, 16:44
yep i'm up for it....
maybe we can get the casting instructor from poulton to attend
Do you mean lionel? Top bloke and a bloody miracle worker. Went from hitting my feet to 172 yards in a couple of hours. I have bean meaning to get back to him to learn an earialised cast but not had chance yet.
Shouldn't this thread be in the new sub section though?
Put me down, I could do with a few tips. Perhaps if we went out at low, someone could help me with my pumping as well (1 small worm, when Dave & Phil had about 120 between them :-()
Ferdi
oldchukka
04-03-2007, 17:00
if you lads are really serious, why not get in touch with lionell stead in poulton - le - fylde. if you want his tel number i will pm it to one of you
if you lads are really serious, why not get in touch with lionell stead in poulton - le - fylde. if you want his tel number i will pm it to one of you
if you could pm me that would be great
PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 17:10
if you could pm me that would be great
I've just p.m.d oldchucker.
bungle666
04-03-2007, 17:13
count me and my mate matt in!!!! this could be a really good idea, as there are loads of us on here who would benefit from casting lessons myself included!!
also ferdis idea of learning the art of pumping sounds good too!!
infact why not make it a "tuition day" get some local tackle dealers, rig builders etc involved then invite everyone who wants to come along and learn, would also be great to get the kids involved aswell, would raise the profile of our sport no end as well as giving us all some usefull information, a chance to meet up, and of course have a mini friendly comp at the end of the day!!
just a few ideas
tightlines
alan
Black Pudding
04-03-2007, 17:13
Good idea, Me and a mate took a lesson from an instructor a couple of years ago just to see if we could improve our lot, because we had a " fairly good tenchnique" according to the instructor with only two hours instruction I had increased my casting distance by30%, I have just had a shoulder operation and will be out of fishing action for around three months and will be looking for instruction again to get back into swing again,good luck with your fishing and casting for the future
sounds good to me...
if we organise it properly for a low tide then we can get the casting and pumping in at the same time.....
fyshermen1001
04-03-2007, 17:33
at the moment we haven't acquired a new moderator for the north west yet but I'm sure one of the others when browsing will move it to the relevant place anyway back to the subject
wouldn't mind learning a new technique myself and adding an extra few yards to my cast as to the pumping don't do to bad and if anyone wants to accompany me anytime the invites there
will keep an eye on this as this will benefit a lot of people good idea dave and phil
tightlines.............................daz
get one sortted and i will come...
chorley boy
04-03-2007, 17:48
Nice one Dave :clap3:
Deffo a good idea this lads.
PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 17:52
get one sortted and i will come...
Ok gents...
As his signature says.....CASTING INSTRUCTOR
Heres the opportunity.
Dates,
Times,
Place.
Suggestions please.
bungle666
04-03-2007, 17:54
get one sortted and i will come...
nice one dave!!!
thats very good of you :clap3: :notworthy :clap3:
tightlines
alan
Dates/times - spring tide so that there's plenty of beach and the opportunity to pump worms
Place - I'm biased but starr gate/st annes has huge open spaces and some good lug beds
PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 18:17
Dates/times - spring tide so that there's plenty of beach and the opportunity to pump worms
Place - I'm biased but starr gate/st annes has huge open spaces and some good lug beds
is there somewhere for Ferdi's cooker to stand though?:unsure:
fyshermen1001
04-03-2007, 18:23
is there somewhere for Ferdi's cooker to stand though?:unsure:
I'm sure we could find a small table /stand to put it on :)
i would say more towards st Anne's pier Dave as you don't get so many dog walkers and surfers but everything else sounds alright
tightlines............................daz
I'm sure we could find a small table /stand to put it on :)
i would say more towards st Anne's pier Dave as you don't get so many dog walkers and surfers but everything else sounds alright
tightlines............................daz
yep agree.....
oldchukka
04-03-2007, 18:32
by all means lads but i would suggest you do your casting as a seperate event for safety reasons. lionell uses a field at poulton, and casting on sand knackers reels and line up. the alternative is to cast into water but you will know if you are doing better but not by how far :g:
smoothound54
04-03-2007, 19:14
depending on when i guess me & woody08 and maybe moosefish 'd come
Al
oldchukka
04-03-2007, 19:33
yep agree.....
believe me you want NO dog walkers, wind surfers, curious holiday makers, nudist sunbathers or anything else where you are learning to cast.
no self respecting instructor would consider teaching where there was any danger to the public or people casting. can i make a suggestion, before you arrange some thing, go to cockerham to watch, its free unless you want to cast. the members will bend over backwards to advise you and help you and you can stay or leave when it suits you
fyshermen1001
04-03-2007, 19:51
believe me you want NO dog walkers, wind surfers, curious holiday makers, nudist sunbathers or anything else where you are learning to cast.
no self respecting instructor would consider teaching where there was any danger to the public or people casting. can i make a suggestion, before you arrange some thing, go to cockerham to watch, its free unless you want to cast. the members will bend over backwards to advise you and help you and you can stay or leave when it suits you
nudist sunbathers now that wouldn't be so bad ................:unsure: :blink:
but back to what chukka has said is this going to be a few of us getting together or something organised properly if its the second then i think what chukka has said would be a valuable source of info ,
so does anyone no when one of these events locally are taking place then we could all meet have a nosey and go from there
what does everyone think to this :g: :g: ?????????????
tightlines..............................daz
oldchukka
04-03-2007, 20:39
nudist sunbathers now that wouldn't be so bad ................:unsure: :blink:
but back to what chukka has said is this going to be a few of us getting together or something organised properly if its the second then i think what chukka has said would be a valuable source of info ,
so does anyone no when one of these events locally are taking place then we could all meet have a nosey and go from there
what does everyone think to this :g: :g: ?????????????
15th april
tightlines..............................daz
date for march cancelled due to flooding, but might stick another one on before april event ?
casting dates
15 april
20 may
24 june
15 july
12 aug
????? sept depends on length of grass
21oct
nov. to be confirmed
anything else p.m me
is there somewhere for Ferdi's cooker to stand though?:unsure:
I thought you said you wanted a salad next time, Phil? :yucky:
Just a thought, from Oldchucka's post: I would be happy casting over water - I know we all like to consider the distance, but would casting over water keep the mind on technique? I was lucky enought to spend a few hours with Dave H :notworthy, a year or so ago, and that was over water. That worked fine for me :clap2:
I guess if you picked the right tide at St Annes, with the locals to guide us, there would be plenty of room for casting and pumping. Just one thing - no way am I lugging a bloddy stove 17 miles across St Annes sands :wheelchai
Ferdi
fyshermen1001
04-03-2007, 21:29
like i said there's two options now open for discussion ............
option 1
st Anne's beach over sand and water friendly meet with a separate pumping session
option 2
a field casting session as a group with qualified instructor and pumping session at later date to be arranged
there's your options i could get one of the mods to poll this or just keep it as a discussion
just a thought as there's been plenty of interest
tightlines............................daz
like i said there's two options now open for discussion ............
option 1
st Anne's beach over sand and water friendly meet with a separate pumping session
option 2
a field casting session as a group with qualified instructor and pumping session at later date to be arranged
there's your options i could get one of the mods to poll this or just keep it as a discussion
just a thought as there's been plenty of interest
tightlines............................daz
Whatever option is finally decided on i'm in, but we could have a third = pumping session followed by casting instruction in a field, or vice versa, whadda ya think.
GeorgeM.
lots to consider....i'll go with the flow.....happy to help anyone with pumping as I'm out most weekends after lug
fyshermen1001
04-03-2007, 22:35
lots to consider....i'll go with the flow.....happy to help anyone with pumping as I'm out most weekends after lug
as dave has said if i can help and i go out pumping and anyone wants to tag along then there more than welcome to do so ,
yes there's a lot to think about but i'm easy and its up to everyone else to make there minds up and consider the options ,
so who fancies organising this then?
tightlines....................daz
PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 22:39
It looks like quite a few are up for this,so rather than trek up to Cockerham for the casting club meeting,where it might be difficult to get one to one tuition,how about someone comes up with a list of suitable low tide dates and we try to arrange it from there?
Given enough notice I'm sure we could get a suitably experienced instructor to attend.
Dave H has thrown his hat in as a possible attendee, so lets take him up on it.
I think st annes would be fine.
I think we are looking for a low tide time of around 2pm...that way we can get the casting done in the am then try pumping pm.
There is a very large carpark on the beach at st annes with a cafe next to it.
People don't tend to venture out too far from the beach there and there are no kite surfers etc.
A halfmile walk down to the sandyacht club and you are on the lugbeds.....mixture of black and blow.
carpark - http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=syqkqrgrf1yz&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7595704
PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 23:30
..................anyone got a tide table then?
About 3 weeks from now should be enough notice for most folk I would have thought.
skywokker
04-03-2007, 23:47
..................anyone got a tide table then?
About 3 weeks from now should be enough notice for most folk I would have thought.
I got the 2007 Liverpool tides table HERE (http://www.cao.bangor.ac.uk/staff/sherwin/tidetables/2007/liverpoo.htm) :)
PHIL THE MAG
04-03-2007, 23:49
I got the 2007 Liverpool tides table HERE (http://www.cao.bangor.ac.uk/staff/sherwin/tidetables/2007/liverpoo.htm) :)
Wokkie you're a star,thanks mate:clap3:
skywokker
05-03-2007, 00:03
Wokkie you're a star,thanks mate:clap3:
Here's the link for that site to cover North Wales and Liverpool till 2011 http://www.cao.bangor.ac.uk/staff/sherwin/tidetables/tidesindex.htm
I've been using it for a couple years as a guide to plan my boat trips and holidays:idea: :clap2: Just make sure you bookmark the site:)
24th and 25th i am away at the UKSF casting comp.
I'm up for it ...if anyone cares!
After attending a couple of casting lessons,one od them in wigan where Dave attended,I wouldn't go for a date on a beach,if you are looking to learn a few things,you will be far more comfortable on a field and therefor get more out of the lesson.Another thing,if there are a few of you going to turn up,you will be far better with an early start,because if you take one cast,time it from start to finish and include the input from your instructor to the time it takes to reel in you are looking at at least 10 mins and a big group will take even longer.The day will be over before you know it.
oldchukka
05-03-2007, 18:23
After attending a couple of casting lessons,one od them in wigan where Dave attended,I wouldn't go for a date on a beach,if you are looking to learn a few things,you will be far more comfortable on a field and therefor get more out of the lesson.Another thing,if there are a few of you going to turn up,you will be far better with an early start,because if you take one cast,time it from start to finish and include the input from your instructor to the time it takes to reel in you are looking at at least 10 mins and a big group will take even longer.The day will be over before you know it.
thanks for that mike, my sentiments exactly , but i didnt want to interfere wit h what the lads were planning, if you have been to casting yourself you will know how seriously we take safety. apart from the fact that casting on sand will knacker a reel up in no time at all
fyshermen1001
05-03-2007, 19:46
thanks for that mike, my sentiments exactly , but i didnt want to interfere wit h what the lads were planning, if you have been to casting yourself you will know how seriously we take safety. apart from the fact that casting on sand will knacker a reel up in no time at all
not being a killjoy but................
i don't think the lads are bothered about the tournament casting parse ,
like myself that side of the sport doesn't really do it for me and as I'm only after adding some yardage to my cast and not to compete i don't mind to much where I'm taught ,
as to sand knackering a reel up when cast over sand then wash it out properly after use then it wont my reels get washed and gear gets cleaned after every trip out and Ive an abu that's lasted 8 years being cast over sand ,and this is the first year Ive had to change my bearings in it ,
its just a bunch of lads after a bit of tuition or that's what i thought it was ?????
don't quote me on it cause someone will have a different opinion :) :) :)
tightlines...........................daz
PHIL THE MAG
05-03-2007, 19:59
Like Daz says above, this was meant to be a few of us ironing out a few problems,not aimed at breaking any records.
I still think the beach would be ok.
I've cast over sand loads of times and not had a problem:you finger the line back onto the reel which cleans the line,so the sand aint a problem as I see it.
oldchukka
05-03-2007, 20:51
Like Daz says above, this was meant to be a few of us ironing out a few problems,not aimed at breaking any records.
I still think the beach would be ok.
I've cast over sand loads of times and not had a problem:you finger the line back onto the reel which cleans the line,so the sand aint a problem as I see it.
ok lads i,ll butt out. i only thought that after i was asked i would try to help out.
i did,nt intend to see you competing in any way.
did,nt want to get too involved in your little project too much
did,nt in any way try to get you involved in tournament casting events
what i did was suggest if you wanted to,--- go to cockerham where the lads would help you with tips to help you free. suggest how to enjoy YOUR little project without the risk of injuring yourself or anybody else.
reply to some of you who asked by pm for lionell stead,s tel, number.and try to suggest a way of preventing the risk of damaging your reels.
have a nice time whatever you decide. thats the main thing
p,s did i mention breaking any records
cupboardlad
05-03-2007, 22:21
this may sound odd but i think the best way to learn how to use a beachcaster is to learn how to use a fly rod , this gives you a deeper understanding of the way a rod blank works , then your able to put that knowledge to good use on the beach ,
i can see where oldchucka is coming from , hese just trying to err on the safe side and get you ( and me ) some good casting instruction ,
but i think we just wanted more of a little get together with someone who could put us right on a few points, a bit of a mini casting comp , without the competition
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cuberd
it's all about compression....when i cast I get depression!
cupboardlad
05-03-2007, 22:33
it's all about compression....when i cast I get depression!
:giveup: get yer coat dave , lol,
its all about feel and nothing teaches you more about feel than casting a fly ( although i cant cast when its windy :giveup: )
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cuberd
fyshermen1001
05-03-2007, 22:40
ok lads i,ll butt out. i only thought that after i was asked i would try to help out.
i did,nt intend to see you competing in any way.
did,nt want to get too involved in your little project too much
did,nt in any way try to get you involved in tournament casting events
what i did was suggest if you wanted to,--- go to cockerham where the lads would help you with tips to help you free. suggest how to enjoy YOUR little project without the risk of injuring yourself or anybody else.
reply to some of you who asked by pm for lionell stead,s tel, number.and try to suggest a way of preventing the risk of damaging your reels.
have a nice time whatever you decide. thats the main thing
p,s did i mention breaking any records
billy what you have put forward was very useful matey and the input was appreciated ,
but like many events that we try and organise on here we don't want it to get to big if we just have a small group for the casting then if all goes well maybe we could make it into an annual event for any new members or anyone that needs the extra bit of help
i don't think any offence was intended so hope non was taken
tightlines..........................daz
:giveup: get yer coat dave , lol,
its all about feel and nothing teaches you more about feel than casting a fly ( although i cant cast when its windy :giveup: )
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cuberd
yeah but i can cast a fly with the best of em!
oldchukka
05-03-2007, 23:32
this may sound odd but i think the best way to learn how to use a beachcaster is to learn how to use a fly rod , this gives you a deeper understanding of the way a rod blank works , then your able to put that knowledge to good use on the beach ,
i can see where oldchucka is coming from , hese just trying to err on the safe side and get you ( and me ) some good casting instruction ,
but i think we just wanted more of a little get together with someone who could put us right on a few points, a bit of a mini casting comp , without the competition
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cuberd oh dear, the very last thing on my mind was competition.
i just wanted to see you lads, enjoying yourself without the risk of getting hurt
this is an integral part of any self respecting in structors system when teaching.
i have taught more small groups large fishing club groups and individuals to cast different styles for FISHING than comp casting with a 100% safety record for years
on the fly fishing subject .ive been doing it since i was 16. with anything from a wand to a double hander spey cast an all and i agree with you.
cupboardlad
06-03-2007, 12:14
yeah but i can cast a fly with the best of em!
:unsure: well i'me probably the worst of em , but if you think along the same lines as casting a fly ,
1 / load the blank
2 / build up the speed
3 / punch and point ,
just the same as fly fishing , and keep it all in one smooth motion :)
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cuberd
:unsure: well i'me probably the worst of em , but if you think along the same lines as casting a fly ,
1 / load the blank
2 / build up the speed
3 / punch and point ,
just the same as fly fishing , and keep it all in one smooth motion :)
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cuberd
there's some good stuff on youtube...the brighton cast looks quite good and easy
cupboardlad
06-03-2007, 16:46
:) i do a flat pendulum, stand with my left foot sideways to the water , swing the lead forward then let it swing back , feel for the lead reaching the end of its swing then gradualy push the rod tip round in a flat arc , then once the reel is in line with the sea , its a case of pull and punch, i get a whipping sound from the rod if i do it right ( and if i do it wrong !! DUCK !! )
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cuberd
PHIL THE MAG
06-03-2007, 16:58
RIGHT!!!!!
We have a date.....31st march.
We have a place St annes.
Time...11.30a.m.
But best of all we have an instructor.
Dave H has offered his services to us mere mortals.
Those who are definitely going to attend,post here,because if there are quite a few,he's going to bring along someone to help him instruct.
Phil.
cupboardlad
06-03-2007, 18:07
this is daveH casting at fu-kall road last summer
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c158/cuberdlad/th_MVI_0492.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c158/cuberdlad/?action=view¤t=MVI_0492.flv)
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cuberd
ps i'le be coming , were abouts at st annes will we be meeting , near the lake ?
this is daveH casting at fu-kall road last summer
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c158/cuberdlad/th_MVI_0492.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c158/cuberdlad/?action=view¤t=MVI_0492.flv)
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cuberd
ps i'le be coming , were abouts at st annes will we be meeting , near the lake ?
car park....will post details in a bit dave
fyshermen1001
06-03-2007, 18:42
thought you might have made it for a later date but never mind !!!!!!
cant make it on that date other commitments unfortunately
but will make it on another for a pumping party {i no that sounds rude but its not ment to }
tightlines...............................daz
but have a good one lads
Bout time I had my casting tweaked - id like to be included
PHIL THE MAG
07-03-2007, 16:56
Not as popular as I thought it would be...
4 so far.:unsure:
Not as popular as I thought it would be...
4 so far.:unsure:
sure many more will turn up phil
I'll be there (I just had to check out my busy social diary)
Ferdi
I would be there but working away that weekend
PHIL THE MAG
09-03-2007, 00:28
.....5
I'll let him know it's going to be a small meet.:g:
smoothound54
09-03-2007, 19:45
for sure me and woddy08 and maybe another
cheers
Al
Not as popular as I thought it would be...
4 so far.:unsure:
Methinks some are too proud or pigheaded to admit to needing or wanting help - never mind - more personal tuition for those that own up
smoothound54
12-03-2007, 21:04
maybe some people don't find it in this section of the NW forum?
should we have a link or sticky in the main discussion area?
just a thought
maybe some people don't find it in this section of the NW forum?
should we have a link or sticky in the main discussion area?
just a thought
done...............
smoothound54
12-03-2007, 23:21
done...............
may get a few more :clap2: - done all we can now!
bobby1951
13-03-2007, 08:59
.....5
I'll let him know it's going to be a small meet.:g:
well done lads i would love to come but its my last long weekend away going up to portpatrick area any other time or date and i will be there sorry.tighlines .bob ps. not when england v wales fishing match is on i am going to give it a go any other lancashire lads going.come on england:clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
Billy No Baits
14-03-2007, 19:58
Hi Guys
Any chance of a newby getting involved in this .... I have been watching the thread gather strength as it's gone along (but being a "Lurker" kept quiet) and would appreciate the chance to improve and meet a few of you regular posters as well...... would that make me No. 6
Cheers
Billy
Hi Guys
Any chance of a newby getting involved in this .... I have been watching the thread gather strength as it's gone along (but being a "Lurker" kept quiet) and would appreciate the chance to improve and meet a few of you regular posters as well...... would that make me No. 6
Cheers
Billy
we are all newbies when it comes to improving our casting!
i would like to attend as i need the help.
Billy No Baits
15-03-2007, 20:45
we are all newbies when it comes to improving our casting!
Thanks for the encouragement Danix............. I could do with improving my catch rate also!!
Looking forward to the instruction and to the meet.:)
Cheers
Billy
I'll be there as well, please post some more details such as where exactly is the car park and what time please lads.
GeorgeM.
( Hey just noticed i've become a hardcore poster, well chuffed )
bobby1951
18-03-2007, 19:08
hi chaps cant thank you chaps to much for sorting casting day out for the rest of us .was going to sandhead fishing but rearanged day same as georgem if poss can someone put a location map or directions for casting day meet on here. again thanks for all you have done:clap3: :clap3: :clap3: tight lines.bob
Hi Guys
Any chance of a newby getting involved in this .... I have been watching the thread gather strength as it's gone along (but being a "Lurker" kept quiet) and would appreciate the chance to improve and meet a few of you regular posters as well...... would that make me No. 6
Cheers
Billy
....and lurkers are always welcome to come out of the closet and join in:clap3:
Billy No Baits
21-03-2007, 21:55
....and lurkers are always welcome to come out of the closet and join in:clap3:
You'll see that I'm now a "Lurker" with 25 posts to my name ....thanks to the encouragement from all you regular posters.......... after my casting training I HOPE to be able to post something other than blanks!!:blink:
It was bloody lonely in that closet anyway Wilky.
...so is someone going to confirm where and when, just in case there are crossed wires? I for one dont know St Annes v well, so would appreciate guiding in please.
OK I just spotted the directions in the main forum
car park where we are meeting - http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...&scene=7596568
directions from m55 -
1. go to end of m55...keep in left lane
2. at the next round about bear right following signs for st annes.
3. follow this road to the very end (you will go through numerous traffic lights and past morrisons)...at the lights at the end turn left onto clifton drive.
4. Follow clifton drive all the way into st annes
5. At the junction where woolworths is on the corner, turn right, go to the end (opposite the pier) and turn left.
6. Follow the road for about 400 yds until you see a green and white beach cafe on the right. Turn right into the car park and you are there.
This is a pay and display...alternatively you can park on any of the side streets opposite the car park.
Bring wellies or boots in case it's wet under foot.
...so is someone going to confirm where and when, just in case there are crossed wires? I for one dont know St Annes v well, so would appreciate guiding in please.
i could meet you on the motorway and show you the way wilky if you want:g: not shure if connour up for it or not:g:
i could meet you on the motorway and show you the way wilky if you want:g: not shure if connour up for it or not:g:
Tony - been in touch with Dave H + have made my apologies for Saturday as it seems to be getting a bit big for decent personal tuition - Im going to pay dave a visit or two maybe towards autumn, as up to then time will be in short supply and I probably wont fish the beach much til the cod come round again. Thanks for the offer though + see you around..Mark
Tony - been in touch with Dave H + have made my apologies for Saturday as it seems to be getting a bit big for decent personal tuition - Im going to pay dave a visit or two maybe towards autumn, as up to then time will be in short supply and I probably wont fish the beach much til the cod come round again. Thanks for the offer though + see you around..Mark
no probs mate av u booked a pollok bashin sesh yet
Billy No Baits
30-03-2007, 20:54
Tony - been in touch with Dave H + have made my apologies for Saturday as it seems to be getting a bit big for decent personal tuition - Im going to pay dave a visit or two maybe towards autumn, as up to then time will be in short supply and I probably wont fish the beach much til the cod come round again. Thanks for the offer though + see you around..Mark
Now who's "Lurking"????:uhuh:
Was looking forward to meeting you and the others at this casting session.... .... but maybe some other time on a beach somewhere!:idea:
Cheers for the welcome anyway.
Billy
smoothound54
30-03-2007, 21:31
i am still comin - but woody08 and *moosefish* won't make it - they got a better offer
see ya ther
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