Reel lines

[Skatenchips]

Hi,being fairly new to sea angling i am not convinced the reel line
i have chosen to start with is not working out.
I,m using Ultima Red Ice 15lb on fixed spool reels with a shock plus my rig.
after 6 months of use i notice the line has lost its "sheen" and when pulling for breaks even with a lower b/s snood the main line always parts first.
I have recently read about Sakuma lines being a good alternative,but have also read Ultima "Power plus" being bigged up by some of our so called better
sea anglers........
I know this this an age old Question asked by every new comer...
So.....gimme your views on your fav reel lines,so i can go and spend me hard earned on the right one.
I wanna use it on open sand/shingle beaches mostly any ideas...???

thanks Gaz :)

[thebigman]

Hi mate. welcome to the forum

I would say that your problems could well stem from the fact that your line is 6 months old.
I fish clean sand beaches mostly and i change my line every couple of weeks. if you buy in bulk its not too costly.
There have been many debates about which line is best but you shouldnt be going to far wrong with red ice.
I use penn super surf. not the most hard wearing line but it does the job for me

[lucky]

The line should be OK after 6 months unless it's sufferered abrasion. Where did you get it from or where do you store your reel? Line will be damaged if it's stored in sunlight over a period of time.

[thebigman]

The line should be OK after 6 months unless it's sufferered abrasion. Where did you get it from or where do you store your reel? Line will be damaged if it's stored in sunlight over a period of time.

Im not saying your wrong but how can a line thats 6 months old possibly of not suffered abrasion? if its been pulled through and over sand then its going to have suffered abrasion! Of course if its been sat in the garage for 6 months then it might to be!

[TomBettle]

I would change my line every few sessions to make sure I didn't have a nick in it r possible problem.
UV light will also knacker it over a few months (6 is plenty), making it brittle and weak.
A lot of people don't realise too, but a heavily loaded line will not recover it's normal strength etc after use (best example is Big Game fishing. Hook two or three large Marlin and swap all your line - put the analogy onto pull for a breakl two or three times or haul in lots of weed two or three times etc).

[Tip Tornado]

I fish the rivers mainly and use daiwa tournoment


fishing sandy beaches will always cause abrasion on the line so i would buy a good qua;ity but cheap line and re-spool every month or so


you can always turn the line around on the spool so you have the old line going back onto the spool first

something like Grauvell Bionix 5000yd spools


https://www.veals.co.uk/acatalog/Nylon.html

[philtherod]

[QUOTE=TomBettle;584988]I would change my line every few sessions to make sure I didn't have a nick in it r possible problem.
UV light will also knacker it over a few months (6 is plenty), making it brittle and weak.
QUOTE]

This doesn't apply to premium lines like Stren from DuPont (they invented NYLON by the way), as they have built-in UV filters. I have had Stren Gold 14lb on one reel for 7 years with no deterioration with normal shore fishing, from both sandy beaches and from the South Devon rock marks. My advice is to use the cheaper monofils while still learning the basics and improving how you fish, when totally confident, then switch to a premium monofil. Can you feel a difference? Only one way to find out...

philtherod

[Rajabatis]

Hi,being fairly new to sea angling i am not convinced the reel line
i have chosen to start with is not working out.
I,m using Ultima Red Ice 15lb on fixed spool reels with a shock plus my rig.
after 6 months of use i notice the line has lost its "sheen" and when pulling for breaks even with a lower b/s snood the main line always parts first.
I have recently read about Sakuma lines being a good alternative,but have also read Ultima "Power plus" being bigged up by some of our so called better
sea anglers........
I know this this an age old Question asked by every new comer...
So.....gimme your views on your fav reel lines,so i can go and spend me hard earned on the right one.
I wanna use it on open sand/shingle beaches mostly any ideas...???

thanks Gaz :)
Favourite reel lines?

You will get quite a few differing opinions on that one Skatenchips. :giveup:
I like.............................................. ..:)

[Lands End Tony]

Interesting thread.
I use Ultima distance. Yellow coloured so I can see it better at night. I use 18lb for the beaches and semi rough.....and 30lb stright through when rough grounding.

Interestingly I change my line every 3-6 months as a precaution.

[Skatenchips]

Being a long time Freshy and using Maxima Chameleon...ive pulled boats up the
Thames b4 its parted,,,,,,and dragged it over weir sills and snaggy bottoms.
However......moving to sea angling hasnt been as smooooth transition as
i woulda liked as far as reel lines go.....yes ive pulled 4 breaks....dragged in huge clumps of wead.....lured over shingle banks...but all the time after use
checked it 4 nicks and kept my gear in the cupboard.
It just doesnt seem as resilient as the old maxima ive used 4 years.....
maybe im asking to much of it and as you say......changing more often
may be the solution. ive just reached the last of the jumbo spool
of red ice......which was my reason 4 askin about anything new or more abrasive resistant that may have been a better option....
I will willingly try your suggested lines as i firmly believe in giving way to
experience as far as sea mono goes..!!!!!
thanks
Gaz

[lobbit]

first off a line isnt pulled over the sand bed the weights on the bottom so it doesnt recieve that much dammage (unless yer weights buried itself and yer dredging lol)imho so 6months or 6 years if it hasnt been over the rocks or left wet in sunlight for hours on end(the suns rays are magnified through droplets of water) it will last ok ,
im thinking its been roughed over rocks or its the guide roller on the reel thats the problem ceramic guides are better than alloy ones but both are ok if not abused
for a tough line that is resistant to abrasion it would be hard to beat stren original ,i just re spooled with that myself for the oncomming summer abuse and neglect ,its not foolproof nothing is but imho its as good as you,l get .

i lost a spool of red ice to rocks the other night and believe me it suffered up until then the line has been on my reel for 5months and was showing no signs of wear now thats a long way past the two week lifespan mentioned here
im hoping this re spool will see me well into summer
check your guide and what sort of ground your fishing over mate theres the problem right there i think

[Rajabatis]

first off a line isnt pulled over the sand bed the weights on the bottom so it doesnt recieve that much dammage (unless yer weights buried itself and yer dredging lol)imho so 6months or 6 years if it hasnt been over the rocks or left wet in sunlight for hours on end(the suns rays are magnified through droplets of water) it will last ok ,
im thinking its been roughed over rocks or its the guide roller on the reel thats the problem ceramic guides are better than alloy ones but both are ok if not abused
for a tough line that is resistant to abrasion it would be hard to beat stren original ,i just re spooled with that myself for the oncomming summer abuse and neglect ,its not foolproof nothing is but imho its as good as you,l get .

i lost a spool of red ice to rocks the other night and believe me it suffered up until then the line has been on my reel for 5months and was showing no signs of wear now thats a long way past the two week lifespan mentioned here
im hoping this re spool will see me well into summer
check your guide and what sort of ground your fishing over mate theres the problem right there i think

Sorry can't agree with you there lobbit. 100 plus yards cast (or less) the monofilament line will sag and touch bottom no matter how tight you reel in to a grip lead. Stretch, tidal pull and the weight of the line will ultimately take over stretch it and it will drop to the bottom again.
Maybe just maybe at that distance if your casting pont is high above the water?
But from a beach it will be on the bottom for at least the last 30yds.
Skatenchips post is asking about line for open beaches. So the high vantage/casting point part doesn't apply.

Go and put out 100yds in a field pull it tight againt the lead dug in the ground and see for yourself. Even out of water it will stretch and sag down to the ground.

Try striking in a field at that distance. Get someone to hold the lead. You would be hard pushed to put a 4/0 hook into a potato the pull is so minimal because of the stretch in the monofilament line.

Braid on the other hand, with it's very low stretch is a whole different ball game.

[chorley boy]

I'd just like to ask when you'r pulling for a break how do you know that it's the snood that's snagged? I'm only asking because if it's the lead that's snagged, and I suspect that it is, then the main line will snap.

[Bass-ic Instinct]

For rough ground has to be Diawa Sensor mate, thick but cheap and very abrasion resistant. The marks i fish it on dont need a big cast anyway. I still use red ice on some reels, but have recently made the switch to greylon, its good value and seems to be good allround. At £10 for 1000metres its quite good value aswell. That said i have heard good things about the Mustad Ayaka lines too.

[Kleftiwallah]

Thanks once again.

Didn't realise the U.V. rays could damage fishing line, I'll move my reels from the windowsill (full sun) in my shed. Cheers, Tony.

[Skatenchips]

well i normally put 3 half hitches in my rig body between the lead and my bait clip ....if the rig comes back minus the lead...ok.....if the rig comes back....minus the hook snood....ok but i dont /or cant cast particularly far at present anyway
so i have to assume its the mainline "giving out" or my lead knot which is a
albright knot.
Gaz :)

[paulie]

If its not too much of a stupid question/statement - doesn't saltwater weaken line?

I mean I know nylon line will wont be affected over a few times fishing but over 6 months?

Salt corrodes almost everything else so how about line.

I say this because I found a spool and the line just came apart like cotton. I assumed it must have been saltwater causing this.

So after 6 months of the line being in the sea would it not be severely weaker

Paulie

[Rajabatis]

If its not too much of a stupid question/statement - doesn't saltwater weaken line?

I mean I know nylon line will wont be affected over a few times fishing but over 6 months?

Salt corrodes almost everything else so how about line.

I say this because I found a spool and the line just came apart like cotton. I assumed it must have been saltwater causing this.

So after 6 months of the line being in the sea would it not be severely weaker

Paulie
UV rays are the culprit. Nylon products don't corrode as such like metal does in saltwater. Nylon and lot of plastics do break down from exposure to the suns rays though over time. Just like our skin.
Some monos are treated against UV damage either a special coating or added chemicals during manufacture.

[millser]

Have a look at this link which should give you something to think about

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/dave02.htm

[Rajabatis]

Have a look at this link which should give you something to think about

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/dave02.htm
Yes it's good. I used Masterline mono for a long time after reading that in Sea Angler were it was first published.
Pity It has not been brought up to date with some of the current range of lines though.

[blankerman]

Have a look at this link which should give you something to think about

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/dave02.htm


was just going to do a search for the same thing.

as for salt not damaging line,well i'm not so sure.just recently got back to line on my reel that had'nt been used before but had got wet,and have noticed it has gone a little brittle.this has'nt been exposed to uv light so i can only assume the salt is damaging it:g:

[Rajabatis]

was just going to do a search for the same thing.

as for salt not damaging line,well i'm not so sure.just recently got back to line on my reel that had'nt been used before but had got wet,and have noticed it has gone a little brittle.this has'nt been exposed to uv light so i can only assume the salt is damaging it:g:

One does not necessarily follow because of the other does it? There are other factors. Chemical changes in it as It might have neen old? Mono does have limited shelf life. You will often see ads saying fresh stock. That means it is a new supply from the manufacurers or distributers. They do say that for a good reason.
40 years of using mono of all types and I never have had salt affect a line other than the salt crystals abrading the line.
Do a google for why mono deteriorates. Here is a good one by Russ Symons. He does mention it can deteriorate even when not used. :)
http://www.fishing.co.uk/article.php3?id=2032

[bluejt2000]

Hi,being fairly new to sea angling i am not convinced the reel line
i have chosen to start with is not working out.
I,m using Ultima Red Ice 15lb on fixed spool reels with a shock plus my rig.
after 6 months of use i notice the line has lost its "sheen" and when pulling for breaks even with a lower b/s snood the main line always parts first.
I have recently read about Sakuma lines being a good alternative,but have also read Ultima "Power plus" being bigged up by some of our so called better
sea anglers........
I know this this an age old Question asked by every new comer...
So.....gimme your views on your fav reel lines,so i can go and spend me hard earned on the right one.
I wanna use it on open sand/shingle beaches mostly any ideas...???

thanks Gaz :)

You don't say how often you've fished during the six months but even if it's only once a fortnight that's twelve sessions. When fishing from beaches, even from clean, sandy ones, lines usually need changing after no more than half a dozen sessions or so - more frequently if the sea has been a bit rough when more abrasion occurs or if you fish over rough/mixed ground.

You ought to check the last few yards or so of your line after every session as accidental abrasion can easily occur.

As for the toghness of lines, it doesn't pay to buy expensive, low diameter lines for beach fishing. A nick a fraction of a milimetre deep can halve it's breaking strain whereas with a thicker line it might reduce it by only around 75%. Also, cheaper, glossy lines have better abrasion resistance than more expensive lines that have a silky feel to them.

When fishing from piers or breakwaters lines last much longer because the angle to the sea bed is steeper than on a beach. On the latter the line is at a very low angle and the tide causes it to rub against the sand.

Buy bulk spools of line as has been suggested to cut down costs and if in doubt, change it.

It is also even more important to examine your rig body and shock leader after EVERY session and to discard it if it shows the least sign of abrasion. Don't wait for it to break while casting, because if you do then you might maim or kill the person fishing next to you! In any case rigs should be discarded and leader knots re-tied after a few session as knots can weaken through use, which is another safety factor.

Tight lines,

John

[Ravelling Tangler]

One does not necessarily follow because of the other does it? There are other factors. Chemical changes in it as It might have neen old? Mono does have limited shelf life. You will often see ads saying fresh stock. That means it is a new supply from the manufacurers or distributers. They do say that for a good reason.
40 years of using mono of all types and I never have had salt affect a line other than the salt crystals abrading the line.
Do a google for why mono deteriorates. Here is a good one by Russ Symons. He does mention it can deteriorate even when not used. :)
http://www.fishing.co.uk/article.php3?id=2032

The four things I know about which affect modern monos are UV (sunlight) , abrasion, wet-oxidation (especially if kept wet while warm e.g.you keep rinsing it and putting it back in a hot cupboard) and the plasticisers leaching out of it.

I doubt if the last one affects old (nylon 6) monos...and I'm not sure it weakens modern ones (though you could guess it makes them more brittle....eventually)

Now here is a puzzle:-

Old polyethylene kitchen utensils (washing-up bowls and so on) are known for going very brittle and weak after a few months exposure to direct sunlight.
Dyneema and Spectra (High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres) are know for being unaffected by sunlight .... so long as they don't get too hot. They keep their strength for something like a decade....possibly more.
. . . . . . why the difference ? . . . . . .
is it just the longer molecules in the "superbraid", or what ?

[Rajabatis]

The four things I know about which affect modern monos are UV (sunlight) , abrasion, wet-oxidation (especially if kept wet while warm e.g.you keep rinsing it and putting it back in a hot cupboard) and the plasticisers leaching out of it.

I doubt if the last one affects old (nylon 6) monos...and I'm not sure it weakens modern ones (though you could guess it makes them more brittle....eventually)

Now here is a puzzle:-

Old polyethylene kitchen utensils (washing-up bowls and so on) are known for going very brittle and weak after a few months exposure to direct sunlight.
Dyneema and Spectra (High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres) are know for being unaffected by sunlight .... so long as they don't get too hot. They keep their strength for something like a decade....possibly more.
. . . . . . why the difference ? . . . . . .
is it just the longer molecules in the "superbraid", or what ?
Cue for some research Roger. I know nothing about them other than using them now and then. How they are made or what they are made from is at this point. a mystery!

[Ravelling Tangler]

Cue for some research Roger. I know nothing about them other than using them now and then. How they are made or what they are made from is at this point. a mystery!

Well I've always assumed from the name that they are polythene which is "stretched" into long-chain molecules by the gel-spinning (spinning while still a gel, rather than drawing out through dies, like nylon and polyamide or dacron) process ; but come to think of it perhaps they are "ultra high molecular weight" HDPE (high density Polyethylene) and bowls etc. are LDPE (low density PE)

and maybe big polythene molecules are more stable than medium-sized ones (there's no such thing as small polythene molecules, I guess)

[bluejt2000]

Lads,

This forum was set up for beginners who might be confused by the technical jargon used in the main forums (see the announcement, Forum Changes 27 March). Yet here I come across references to "High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres" and "long chain molecules" in what has developed into a highly technical discussion.

Now, I found the discussion interesting and informative, and I don't want to cause offence, but I feel it really belongs in a seperate thread in the main Tackle Forum. Let's keep things simple here.

Cheers,

John

[Rajabatis]

Lads,

This forum was set up for beginners who might be confused by the technical jargon used in the main forums (see the announcement, Forum Changes 27 March). Yet here I come across references to "High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres" and "long chain molecules" in what has developed into a highly technical discussion.

Now, I found the discussion interesting and informative, and I don't want to cause offence, but I feel it really belongs in a seperate thread in the main Tackle Forum. Let's keep things simple here.

Cheers,

John
The original post did have a problem with the line breaking. Others joined in saying why or use this.

Now knowing why is important. You can hardly educate anyone by dumbing down and just saying it was crap! You have to fill in the reasons why its crap or why it failed or deteriorated. The posts and info on nylon was basic enough. No problem there surely?
That's what the original posts were about and replied too by all.

The thread got a bit more technical on braid at the end because it IS a more technological line!

Maybe if you had read through all the threads from the beginning you might not have been so critical?

I had a quick look at some of your casting advice posts and you do yourself, use a few terms in them that a novice may not understand.

[bluejt2000]

The original post did have a problem with the line breaking. Others joined in saying why or use this.

Now knowing why is important. You can hardly educate anyone by dumbing down and just saying it was crap! You have to fill in the reasons why its crap or why it failed or deteriorated. The posts and info on nylon was basic enough. No problem there surely?
That's what the original posts were about and replied too by all.

The thread got a bit more technical on braid at the end because it IS a more technological line!

Maybe if you had read through all the threads from the beginning you might not have been so critical?

I had a quick look at some of your casting advice posts and you do yourself, use a few terms in them that a novice may not understand.


I said that I didn't want to cause offence, and meant it, but I obviously did.

There are certain points in your reply, however, that I take exception to (though trying to find a clear logic in it is like trying to knit with fog). Firstly, I do not advocate 'dumbing down' as an alternative to using technical jargon - it is you who uses this term and it reflects your attitude, not mine. And if you feel that you cannot otherwise answer a question on this sub forum, then I suggest that you do not do so.

Secondly - who is using the term 'crap' (I assume that you are refering to the line brand) as a reason for line breakage in this instance? Once again, it is you and not I, and if that is that is the only alternative explanation to a technical one that you can think of, then it is a reflection on your outlook, not mine.

In both instances, you are are attempting, without either subtlety or success, to put words into my mouth.

As to what was causing line breakage in this instance, I'm sure it is more a question of not renewing line frequently enough than it is to do with the chemical make-up of any particular type of line. That is what I mean by keeping things simple.

As I have said, I found your comments worthwhile, but I feel that it would have been more appropriate if they had been posted in a fresh thread in the Tackle forum.

Finally, would you please support your allegation by quoting the terms in my casting advice posts that you claim a novice might not understand.

[Rajabatis]

I said that I didn't want to cause offence, and meant it, but I obviously did.

There are certain points in your reply, however, that I take exception to (though trying to find a clear logic in it is like trying to knit with fog). Firstly, I do not advocate 'dumbing down' as an alternative to using technical jargon - it is you who uses this term and it reflects your attitude, not mine. And if you feel that you cannot otherwise answer a question on this sub forum, then I suggest that you do not do so.

Secondly - who is using the term 'crap' (I assume that you are refering to the line brand) as a reason for line breakage in this instance? Once again, it is you and not I, and if that is that is the only alternative explanation to a technical one that you can think of, then it is a reflection on your outlook, not mine.

In both instances, you are are attempting, without either subtlety or success, to put words into my mouth.

As to what was causing line breakage in this instance, I'm sure it is more a question of not renewing line frequently enough than it is to do with the chemical make-up of any particular type of line. That is what I mean by keeping things simple.

As I have said, I found your comments worthwhile, but I feel that it would have been more appropriate if they had been posted in a fresh thread in the Tackle forum.

Finally, would you please support your allegation by quoting the terms in my casting advice posts that you claim a novice might not understand.
No I wasn't offended, just surprised.
And please don't get offended by my reply on the posts . This one or the previous one.

The word "Crap" was a euphamism for poor quality. I'm sure you understood that?
The fact that the word "crap" was possibly never used is irrelavant. You did understood the meaning I think.

Your quote which I can't fully understand? Is:
"Secondly - who is using the term 'crap' (I assume that you are refering to the line brand) as a reason for line breakage in this instance? Once again, it is you and not I, and if that is that is the only alternative explanation to a technical one that you can think of, then it is a reflection on your outlook, not mine."

How can you say explain crap?( a euphamism as I said) Then ask for a more detailed explanation without some technicalities coming in to the explanation?
"Crap" could have meant make or other factors as to why it was crap. Not just your make assumption question.

I honestly don't have an outlook issue other than being happy to pass on some info on a subject I know about from experience and some research.

If I looked as if I was putting words in your mouth I can't see that, but if you felt that. My opologies. It was not what was intended

As for renewing line frequently. That was covered as part of the reason for breakage and various reasons for other breakages. Like the old stock reference. That was hardly "technical" It stated line deteriorates. That's easy to understand and not a technical statrment is it?
Personally if I had read that I would have wanted to know why it deteriorates?

You use percentages in your sentences. Is that technical? or just information. Splitting hairs (or a technicality of interpretation) really isn't it?

Not wanting a fight with you. I just felt your comments needed clarifying and that we are all guilty of using terms that others do not understand. Novices or long time anglers.

The day you stop learning and think you know it all is never going to happen is it? Education never ends.

I can say one thing with certainty is "Knowledge is power." You can only be sold "CRAP" when you don't know, that that is exactly what it is.

[bluejt2000]

Rajabatis,

I wasn't asking you to explain the term 'crap', I was just challenging your implication that I was advocating the use of terms such as this and 'dumbing down' posts in order to avoid technical language. This, whether I was correct in it or not, was the way in which I interpreted your reply.

I don't think my use of percentages constitutes abstruse technical language. A twelve-year-old ought to understand what is meant by 50% and 75%. Your referring to "High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres" and "long chain molecules" on the other hand, I feel, does.

However, I don't want to get into a bickering match, and I do sincerely respect and appreciate your wishing to impart knowledge and the benefit of your experience and research to others. I was just questioning the appropriateness of some of it to this section of the forum. Here is a link the announcement which explains the reason for setting up this forum, which lead me to pose this question: http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/announcement.php?f=118.

Of course, I cannot stop you from posting whatever you wish here and if you feel I am wrong in questioning this appropriateness then you have the right to ignore it.

Whatever the case, no offence meant and none taken - and tight lines, whether they possess long chain molecules or not (just a friendly joke!).

[Rajabatis]

Rajabatis,

I wasn't asking you to explain the term 'crap', I was just challenging your implication that I was advocating the use of terms such as this and 'dumbing down' posts in order to avoid technical language. This, whether I was correct in it or not, was the way in which I interpreted your reply.

I don't think my use of percentages constitutes abstruse technical language. A twelve-year-old ought to understand what is meant by 50% and 75%. Your referring to "High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres" and "long chain molecules" on the other hand, I feel, does.

However, I don't want to get into a bickering match, and I do sincerely respect and appreciate your wishing to impart knowledge and the benefit of your experience and research to others. I was just questioning the appropriateness of some of it to this section of the forum. Here is a link the announcement which explains the reason for setting up this forum, which lead me to pose this question: http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/announcement.php?f=118.

Of course, I cannot stop you from posting whatever you wish here and if you feel I am wrong in questioning this appropriateness then you have the right to ignore it.

Whatever the case, no offence meant and none taken - and tight lines, whether they possess long chain molecules or not (just a friendly joke!).

Thanks for your tight lines, I'll do my best to achieve that!

I didn't mention long chain polymer whatsits? Or words of any kind mentioning molecules or polymers. high molecular weight etc RAVELLINGTANGLER did though!

I quoted his post on mine, but never said owt about long chain polymers or molecular thingys myself!
I did say though In my post I knew nothing about them.............Rajabatis
quote "Cue for some research Roger. I know nothing about them other than using them (braid) now and then. How they are made or what they are made from is at this point. a mystery!" :notworthy

As I said before, wisely it seems? You should read the posts through carefully before making your own posts!

Take it up with him! You are having a go at me for nothing other than the fact I disagreed with your comments on the technical issues you complained of.

If you don't want to get into a bickering match stop posting ill informed comments about what I didn't say!:giveup: :giveup: :giveup:

[lobbit]

[QUOTE=Rajabatis;585152]Sorry can't agree with you there lobbit. 100 plus yards cast (or less) the monofilament line will sag and touch bottom no matter how tight you reel in to a grip lead. Stretch, tidal pull and the weight of the line will ultimately take over stretch it and it will drop to the bottom again.
Maybe just maybe at that distance if your casting pont is high above the water?
But from a beach it will be on the bottom for at least the last 30yds.
Skatenchips post is asking about line for open beaches. So the high vantage/casting point part doesn't apply.

Go and put out 100yds in a field pull it tight againt the lead dug in the ground and see for yourself. Even out of water it will stretch and sag down to the ground.

Try striking in a field at that distance. Get someone to hold the lead. You would be hard pushed to put a 4/0 hook into a potato the pull is so minimal because of the stretch in the monofilament line.

Braid on the other hand, with it's very low stretch is a whole different ball game.[/QUOTE


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from what i gather your saying the line cant support its own weight so sags because it stretches sounds ok but even so in water its supported
or caught in a current lifting it off the sea bed
ive cast over sand to clear nests or bed line in etc and dont recall such line sag
i,ll certainly give it a try

[Rajabatis]

[QUOTE=Rajabatis;585152]Sorry can't agree with you there lobbit. 100 plus yards cast (or less) the monofilament line will sag and touch bottom no matter how tight you reel in to a grip lead. Stretch, tidal pull and the weight of the line will ultimately take over stretch it and it will drop to the bottom again.
Maybe just maybe at that distance if your casting pont is high above the water?
But from a beach it will be on the bottom for at least the last 30yds.
Skatenchips post is asking about line for open beaches. So the high vantage/casting point part doesn't apply.

Go and put out 100yds in a field pull it tight againt the lead dug in the ground and see for yourself. Even out of water it will stretch and sag down to the ground.

Try striking in a field at that distance. Get someone to hold the lead. You would be hard pushed to put a 4/0 hook into a potato the pull is so minimal because of the stretch in the monofilament line.

Braid on the other hand, with it's very low stretch is a whole different ball game.[/QUOTE


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from what i gather your saying the line cant support its own weight so sags because it stretches sounds ok but even so in water its supported
or caught in a current lifting it off the sea bed
ive cast over sand to clear nests or bed line in etc and dont recall such line sag
i,ll certainly give it a try

Yes cast it out a 100yards then once the lead gets stuck in the ground tighten up as you would normally when fishing and put the rod in a rod rest then leave it for 15 minutes or longer, just as if you are waiting on a bite.
If it's windy it will stretch more and sag down even quicker than if it is calm.

Try it with 150yds or more and more line will be on the deck.

[blankerman]

only speed read through the posts cos i could'nt be *rsed to read it all.basically i got the impression that all line breakages are to do with old line and chafing on the sea bed,plus uv damage.my line which had gone brittle has had minimal uv damage as i mostly fish at night,it has been used a maximum of 15 times and looked fine on close inspection,yet give it a quick tug and it did'nt stretch,it just snapped,another spool of this line i have which has been used less does not do this....and just happened to read an old fishing book last night which states to wash reels after every session as quote "salt water makes monofilament go brittle"...well it seems its not just me who thinks that then.just for a reference i also do river fishing where the line also gets dragged across rough ground and through snags.this gets used mostly during daylight,yet does'nt seem to suffer the brittleness that my salt line goes through:g:

regards blankerman:)

[Rajabatis]

There is an answer to your line query in there.
But you need to be ****d to find it!:) :)

[blankerman]

There is an answer to your line query in there.
But you need to be ****d to find it!:) :)


oh borrocks...it's not to do with those polymer thread thingies is it.have'nt got time to look,got some line to change lol:)

[Rajabatis]

oh borrocks...it's not to do with those polymer thread thingies is it.have'nt got time to look,got some line to change lol:)
No it isn't! LOL.:)

[alan t]

Geting back on topic I use ultma premium and change it every 4 or 5 sesions to overcome any abrasion that it may have, as its cheap enough do do so.
Alan

[blankerman]

Geting back on topic I use ultma premium and change it every 4 or 5 sesions to overcome any abrasion that it may have, as its cheap enough do do so.
Alan


i'm using ultima seastrike (mainly cos that's all my local tackle shop sells), tbh i have really liked it and realise it is'nt suited to rough ground (i have some line from lidls that seems to be good for that:blink: )but in all honesty this is the first time this problem has occurred.:schmoll:

[Captain Blank]

Hi, in answer to the original question... i like the Varivas sport line. Has good abrasion resistance and casts well. Also the Sufix tritanium is great and as tough as old nails... not a great many places seem to stock it for some reason though! Got the Ultima F1 titanium recently and feels very nice although it seems to get scuffed up quite quickly.

Ultimately the best line is the one you like. Try a few of the recommended ones myself and others have said and see what you think.

Good luck

The Captain

[EoinMag]

I didn't wash my line once after a session and the next time I went to use it it was all cracked and I want't able to make knots in it anymore it was so brittle. Since then I've always washed the line after every session, I generally put the reels in the bath under the cold tap on full for five minutes or so, I've never had the problem since. I find once it's washed every trip it tends to hold out longer, I still wouldn't use it for longer than a few trips anyway.

[Rajabatis]

I didn't wash my line once after a session and the next time I went to use it it was all cracked and I want't able to make knots in it anymore it was so brittle. Since then I've always washed the line after every session, I generally put the reels in the bath under the cold tap on full for five minutes or so, I've never had the problem since. I find once it's washed every trip it tends to hold out longer, I still wouldn't use it for longer than a few trips anyway.
That's interesting. Often through carelessnes or just being tired I put my reel away in the bag, forget about it and use it again. I have never had the line break because of the salt.
If I leave them out not in a bag and in the light for any length of time, then I have had problems with monofilament lines breaking very easily..

[EoinMag]

Try it out sometime, bring some stripped line with you on a trip, give it a soak then bring it home and let it dry naturally, it'll crack and go white the whole length of it that's exposed, I had to strip about 80m of line that time to get down to line that was unaffected before I could tie the shockleader to the mainline with a knot that would hold up.

[Rajabatis]

Try it out sometime, bring some stripped line with you on a trip, give it a soak then bring it home and let it dry naturally, it'll crack and go white the whole length of it that's exposed, I had to strip about 80m of line that time to get down to line that was unaffected before I could tie the shockleader to the mainline with a knot that would hold up.
Done that often? Had line soaked and dried in hot 35 degrees celsius for weeks on end, day in day out in the Bahamas bonefishing with no problem.
But leave that line for 2 months or more in a bag away from light. No problem. Leave it in the air for the same time or longer unused and exposed to light and it fails. Salt deposits or immertsion in salty water is not the problem. This is a chemical and UV light/sunlight issue I feel.

[crazyplums]

until recently i swore by the ultima F1, it's not a cheap line, especially if you're just starting out. and although i found it scuffed a bit more than other lines, and the colour seemed a little sporadic in places (stretch ?) it never let me down, though knot strength wasnt the best.

i recently swapped both my multi's over to the Imax Hypercast, i use a 15lb (might be 18lb) line which is only .30mm in diameter, cast lovely, doesn't seem to scuff like the F1, and is available in clear or red i beleive, t's also cheaper than the F1, alot ofour club guys that were F1 users have recently swapped over to it too.

[EoinMag]

Done that often? Had line soaked and dried in hot 35 degrees celsius for weeks on end, day in day out in the Bahamas bonefishing with no problem.
But leave that line for 2 months or more in a bag away from light. No problem. Leave it in the air for the same time or longer unused and exposed to light and it fails. Salt deposits or immertsion in salty water is not the problem. This is a chemical and UV light/sunlight issue I feel.

Fair enough, I've had it happen with one outing with line, and if that was UV then I'd have been toast.
I was told by the tackle shop that it was a problem with not washing the salt off the line, and since I've started washing it I've not had the problem again.

[NickInTheNorth]

As for the toghness of lines, it doesn't pay to buy expensive, low diameter lines for beach fishing. A nick a fraction of a milimetre deep can halve it's breaking strain whereas with a thicker line it might reduce it by only around 75%. Also, cheaper, glossy lines have better abrasion resistance than more expensive lines that have a silky feel to them.


John


I don't think my use of percentages constitutes abstruse technical language. A twelve-year-old ought to understand what is meant by 50% and 75%. Your referring to "High Molecular Weight Gel-Spun Polythene fibres" and "long chain molecules" on the other hand, I feel, does.


John

Please read the above 2 quotes from your posts, and spot the deliberate mistake. If you can't then please find a twelve year old...

...and just to address the original question, yes six months is probably too long to keep mono used for sea fishing on the reel. It will deteriorate over that time due to exposure to UV, and just general wear and tear.

I personally now use braid for all my fishing. For clean beaches I use 30lb power pro and for rough ground I use 60lb power pro. It doesn't have any adverse reaction to UV (other than perhaps a bit of colour fade, and despite what many folks claim it is fairly tough and abrasion resistant - you just need to go much heavier than you would with mono. I would have no hesitation in using 100lb braid for casting, it is still only about the diameter of 20lb mono, and tough as old boots. I should add that I am not a very regular shore angler, but I have braid which I have been using for over 5 years on one reel and that is still plenty strong.

[Rajabatis]

Fair enough, I've had it happen with one outing with line, and if that was UV then I'd have been toast.
I was told by the tackle shop that it was a problem with not washing the salt off the line, and since I've started washing it I've not had the problem again.
I think you might find the answer on a possible reason it broke so soon on the "Old line/limitedshelf life" posts.

[EoinMag]

I think you might find the answer on a possible reason it broke so soon on the "Old line/limitedshelf life" posts.


Nope it was new line and was also allegedly good line, can't remember exactly but I think it was Sakuma Crystal, possibly even night crystal, I'm not 100% on that.

I'll take some line with me this week and test it out, in response to your " Done that often?" type reply in the first reply you made, not often but I'll do it once to pacify the sceptics.

[Rajabatis]

Nope it was new line and was also allegedly good line, can't remember exactly but I think it was Sakuma Crystal, possibly even night crystal, I'm not 100% on that.

I'll take some line with me this week and test it out, in response to your " Done that often?" type reply in the first reply you made, not often but I'll do it once to pacify the sceptics.
The point was though that whilst you bought it in good faith as new from wherever you bought it. It oes not follow that it was "new. " I could have neen on the dealers shelf for a very long time.
You may never have a problem with that "done that" trial you intend to do with your line. Doing it once will possibly make no difference. Then one day for no apparent reason the line goes "off" and it breaks like cotton.

I have just started a new thread on "Monofilament Line. Does it rot in salt water? thread. If you want to post experiences on it?
Dave. your

[dappa]

hi mate .my choice of line would be iron silk ,it's good line for the money i've never changed my line since may last year .usually retails between £10 to £15 good quality try it you won't be disapointed.

[Rajabatis]

hi mate .my choice of line would be iron silk ,it's good line for the money i've never changed my line since may last year .usually retails between £10 to £15 good quality try it you won't be disapointed.
Hi post your finding on that thread I mentioned above.
http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62474
That's very handy to know.

[Rajabatis]

Nope it was new line and was also allegedly good line, can't remember exactly but I think it was Sakuma Crystal, possibly even night crystal, I'm not 100% on that.

I'll take some line with me this week and test it out, in response to your " Done that often?" type reply in the first reply you made, not often but I'll do it once to pacify the sceptics.
Any news on your test?