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    WSF Hardcore Poster southwesterly's Avatar
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    i use up and over rigs for rays at low water and i find them very effective i usually have the snood length around 4 or 5 feet when unclipped that gives the sandeel bait a very natural look in the tide and also when the rays drop on youre bait the hook is well away from youre grip lead and the fish feel no resistance i usually only use a single hook as i find a lot of fish tend to swallow the hook very deep with this rig but i cant understand the advantage of an up and over pulley rig it makes no sense as the sheer length of it when it pulls through would be too much and surely you cant have full controll when fighting a good fish thats just my opinion but as ive never used one maybe ime wrong and there might be certain terains where this rig could be used succesfully
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    At the risk of getting burned as a heretic, I've never seen the point of pulley rigs ! I've tried them, but they offer no advantages over the up-and-over clipped down running leger, which is constructed pretty much as per the diagram in post 8 but with the line free-running through the lead clip.


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    theres a good description of this type of rig on this shore angling thread under the heading "dropper rig again" i know its not called an up and over rig but its the same as,i've made a few but yet to use them in anger yet but easy enough to make though....paddy sorry wrong rig m8
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    To the best of my knowledge the rig that you have all described is known as the long and low. I have been trying various versions of it for rays for the last few years. Other than the fact that there is a running component and the lead is higher than the fish on the retrieve it bares no resemblance to a pulley rig that I can see. As already pointed out it is more like a captive running lead.
    It is very good for rays and I have heard of people using it to good effect for turbot but when I use it it seems to hunt out snags and is best kept for clean ground.
    I did a few step by step photos here but to be honest I first saw this version of it here. you will find it around the four minute mark. there are three videos in that little series which are all worth watching for baiting up ect.
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    I agree Baitdigger, there are a few descriptions of what I'd call the proper pulley rig (as I've mostly seen it tied up with the breakaway proper pulley), but most descriptions seem to be of what I'd call an up and over rig (aka the long and low).
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    This up and over pulley rig idea was in Total Sea Fishing mag a little while ago. It was an article about ray fishing in wales and the rig was depicted as a kind of up and over running leger with an inverted gemini rig link as the top clip. It looked clever so I made up a few but haven't felt any desire to use them yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeniorInvisible View Post
    Found this: http://www.btinternet.com/~kevin.l.j.knight/up-over.htm

    Still don't understand it perfectly: don't understand the mechanism for the hook flowing out when it hits the water.
    It looks easy to tangle (if you ask me).

    Edit: this page explains it nicely: http://www.onderlijnenvooropzee.nl/z...r-wijting.html

    But I still think it will tangle.

    The Dutch one is a clipped running ledger, good rig imo and i use it in place of any sort of pulley if i want to be sure that the baits nailed to the bottom. I'd replace the bottom rig clip with an imp and have the inverted rig clip at the top of the rig under a swivel.

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    Hi weepete, i use one that i think may be what your on about, >>> just slide an upside down bait clip on your shock leader before attaching to your pulley rig, run your snood up over this & clip down behind lead in the normal way. I usually use this method when I want a long snood ie: upto ten feet. hope this helps Mike

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    Here you go Pete - was tidying up after last weekend and took a piccy of my clipped down, up and over running leger.

    up-n-over running leger.jpg

    Not sure how well itll come out in a smaller picture format, but hopefully you'll get the gist of it.


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    the one above is perfect apart from i would use and impact lead or a spash down lead for the clip but thats just me....

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