England V Wales matches

**Snaggletooth** · 22-07-2009, 09:04

I have been asked to post this to aid the organisers of the matches to find suitable venues. Please keep the banter down to a minimum (if possible) and keep the posts for ideas that may be of help.

**patester** · 22-07-2009, 09:31

my thoughts are along the lines of...........

if the golden greys are at llangenith or the bass at cefyn or the cod at penarth.... do we really want to chase a few dogfish in somerset ?

or vice-versa....

the banter, attendance and fund-raising can only be improved if fish are being caught.

**Andy ILSF** · 22-07-2009, 09:40

i'll second that pat....

**MSW** · 22-07-2009, 12:10

catching fish and banter are the main things of these meets

fundraising also plays a part

i know i put up blankerman brickie and mrs b reg puts up pat and co

if we could have more people to take part in helping peeps put there heads down even if its a sofa got to be better than a tent and save peeps some money and hastle just an idea

**patester** · 22-07-2009, 12:17

i want some of what steve's on........

having read that again...... i'm with steve.

**tony1412fishing** · 22-07-2009, 12:32

As much as i love the participating on these events unfortunately my wife has banned me from going over to wales for reasons i cannot say. but any venues in England i am allowed lol and will fish

**patester** · 22-07-2009, 12:35

Originally Posted by tony1412fishing

As much as i love the participating on these events unfortunately my wife has banned me from going over to wales for reasons i cannot say. but any venues in England i am allowed lol and will fish

you've been 'ramming' away from home.....

**OHTer** · 22-07-2009, 12:44

Originally Posted by tony1412fishing

As much as i love the participating on these events unfortunately my wife has banned me from going over to wales for reasons i cannot say. but any venues in England i am allowed lol and will fish

cant u just be, ummmm, "economical" with the truth?

**Snaggletooth** · 22-07-2009, 14:01

One or two thoughts to play around with. Majority of good fish are caught at night, however that is not necessarily the case when fishing the severn area due to the colour of the water. Bearing in mind the matches are daytime affairs, it might be best to concentrate on that area. Are you looking to attract specimen hunters to the meets or folks who are just happy to go out and fish? Can you attract kids and new anglers to the meets so that they can get help and guidance form the more experienced anglers? At a lot of these venues, it doesn't matter too much if the weather turns pants, you can still fish them with no danger.

**basspopper666** · 22-07-2009, 17:20

first sorry if people are getting the wrong impression lol.

i proposed an open it up for ideas because of the problems both captians have in selecting a venue that ticks all the boxes and the reason for a sat or sun was to find out if a sat evening would appeal more if it was commutable in as short space of time.

1/ example andy has a wide chioce of venues on the welsh side that tick the boxes but pat regards the english side i.e the darkside does not have that luxury.

2/if pat and andy decide for example to hold a match in say for arguments sake september you have 4 weekends 2 will have a rising or dropping spring tide thats evening or morning early latish.
then you have 2 that fall on a rising or dropping neap tide miday ish lol

that automaticaly drops the chioce potential and regards the english side the mark that ticks the boxes compounded by the geography of the channel lack of access and most of the good marks are to dangerouse or to small for a large group of anglers or just to bloody hard to get to and fish which is about for pat on the english side 90% of the marks.

chioces neaps. weston town beach , lower light, bossington, brean,aust
new and old passage .

chioces springs burham sea wall . blue anchor bossington severn beach.

low water spring tides a daytime venue miday ish sand piont brean down poss. ladye bay clevedon. battery piont portishead on neaps.

problems with above lack of parking accessability. distance required to get to and from the marks from car park or car parking close enough take into they account they all have the potential to be snag city.

problems with big springs times late evening say 9 ish fininsh raflle etc then add travelling home for some 2-3 hours unloading car putting gear away getting to bed in early hours of morning and for some 2-3 hours sleep then work.

there is underlying factors to take into consideration we all fancie a fish ,we all fancie a mark, but it is not worth the effort if you chose the wrong time at the wrong marks to tick all the boxes hence the delema??

hence the question if you is prepared to camp out on a sat night then it stands to reason why not on accassion if tides dictate to maximise a marks potential fish the odd one.????

if it gives the captians a further option so be it yes you cannot please everbody but you may be able to get on accassions more people that can or will fish it if it is in that venues potential to fish well at times chosen.

they are captians yes people yes but they are not gods they dont work miracles and they have no controll on the weather.

thats nature being nature even the best laid plans go up in smoke due to the ellaments.

they have to think like this.

1/ venue thats suitable and the requirements

2/ accessability for a large group of anglers.

3/ potential saftey issues rock marks exposier to the elaments and travelling times to and from marks/ venues chosen

4/ parking and overnight camping b & b issues

5/ fishability potential and dont forget this can be family orientated so saftey for anglers and juniors and o.a.p. and those that dont have the mobility of the young ones

take that into account that narrows it right down also take into the fact local level club comps opens penn and browning trophy comps that reduces it even more.

then there is the other beach users i.e weston brean and berrow beaches sand yaghting wind surfing and weston wet bikes .

idiots in cars getting stuck in the mud and boy racers that think they are clever. etc .

parking fees and gate locking times??

that is why they need more imput for more chioces and more help?

also i think pat should not restrict himself for rematches to the english side alone.

bearing in mind the potential of north and south devons beaches and chesil and dorset beaches great for an early spring autum or a summer venue to try regards travelling as long as the fishing potential is good and it ticks the right boxes yes go for it.

winter is a diferent kettle of fish so to speak regards the b.c the weather we have no controll over and the potential to fish a close by alternative that is fishable on the day restricts that chioce very dramaticaly.

its a general what do you want or not want where do you fancie fishing is it potentialy viable and can pat have freedom of chioce welsh or english venues to chose from.

i love these events and will support them wholeheartadly in any way i can help pat and andy need only ask.

but i feel we can all help them and shoulder some of the responsability to organize these meets.

bottom line they are meets i.e and forum eyball if you want where people meet other people on the forum have a natter have a good day out maybe a good day fishing and raise valuble funds for this or that charity. feel good about it and proud.

weather permitting and fish obligeing lol

hope this clarifies the problems pat and andy face so give them a little more support peeps every little helps they both do a top job but it is by their own addmitance a frustrating and sometimes thankless job lol

well done both i hope something good cmes of this you have my support 100% just a question of how many otrhers out there want to through in a positive support.