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    THE TROLLING MAESTRO egg-custard's Avatar
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    hi.. i have been fishing my rods down tide for the cod recently..and have struggled to use three this way..up until now ive just bunged a ledger up tide (my third rod).. and let it settle off the stern ..but a few points ive been pondering on now to achieve a better presentaion..of this ..my thoughts .. can a pulley rig with an 8 oz breakaway /grap be used for this...in conjuction with a bait shield ..a beefed up beach rig if you like..

    also i rekon ive been making the gap between the two hooks on my penell rigs to far apart.. thats why the look and fish ungainly..
    what should the top hook be from the eye of the bottom hook,,?
    can someone put up a piccie of the ideal uptide rig poss pennell so i can copy it..andy....
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    THE TROLLING MAESTRO egg-custard's Avatar
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    hi cheers paul..i will have to make some ready for thursday..
    i need to buy a few bits first ..but cool..a big cod is now on the cards..
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    I have to say that I fundamentaly disagree with shockleaders on boats.

    Heres why;

    The concept of the shockleader is partly to prevent an incorrect cast from cracking off and hitting another angler ON THE BEACH. This usually results in the lead smacking into the ground near your feet. On a boat this puts everyone in the danger zone of a failed cast. I know derectly of one chipped elbow and one smashed window as a result of swinging leads on uptide shockleaders.
    If you cock up a cast on my boat i want the lead to crack off and fly out to sea - the last place it will land is on the boat.
    There is no place for power casting in uptide fishing therefore shockleaders are not required. Remember that you are trying to place the bait just on the edge of the scare area where the fish are concentrated - many people forget this and cast too far.
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    Rig bodies are made out of whatever you like - I use a running ledger with mainline through a slider to the swivel at the top of the hooklength.

    Its the shockleader thats the danger. The chipped elbow I saw could have been a fractured skull if the guy hadnt put his arm up. A full welly cast that doesnt crack off because of a shockeader can end up swinging back at those onboard who have nowhere to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_G View Post
    Sorry, but i don't get how a three foot rig body, made from 60lb shockleader presents the danger you describe. Surely a failed cast would result in the mainline snapping at the knot at the swivel, in just the same way as yours would snap at the swivel knot ?

    I understand what you're saying, but i didn't say use two rod lengths of shock leader, just three feet for the rig body.
    I am talking about shockleaders NOT rig components made from shockleader line.

    Just to clarify a Shockleader is a length of heavy line that will reduce the chance of a crack off when casting. It runs from the terminal tackle to a few turns round the reel. Anything else is not a shockleader but something made from shockleader.
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    If you LIKE having a (very) long bait on your pennel - say a foot long - then try a Dave Roberts "trennel":-

    In this you construct a normal pennel (but able to move the top hook to a foot above the end hook) but then tie on (to that trace) a short trace where the top end is above the highest point to which you'll slide the top pennel hook and the hook lies a fe inches (say 5 or 6) above the eye of the end hook.

    You keep this out of the way while you bait up your pennel, then nick this third hook through the middle of your long bait.


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    hi ..i have tied up a couple of uptide rigs with 3ft x50lb mono for the rig body,,my question is ,,is it better to use amnesia for the rig body or pre stretch the mono to get rid of kinks..but it seems quite kinky after pre stretching,,should you pre stretch before tying the rig or after its made..
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    I use amnesia, it seems to take the abuse that comes with codding very well.
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    amnesia i think is the best, clear, doesnt twist as bad as some cheap ones - like freebies- also i always use a leader whether beach or boat- you dont have to cast on a boat, but the leader can easily be replaced due to rubbing on rocks/wreck, and gives a bit of stretch if you use braid,and you have a stronger line to help pull fish onto boat .andy as for hooks i slide one up the line then tie off bottom hook, top hook then can be moved to suite size of bait, a bit of bait alastic keeps all together

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    I would not call it a shock leader but more of a rubbing leader. If you do not use any rubbing leader with braid you will find eventually that you will get a lot of braid breakages when the braid is worn. also if wrecking the braid will ping as soon as it touches the wreck.

    I never used to use any rubbing leader and always used 50lb powerpro straight through to my hook snood. this worked fine for about six months and suddenly I started loosing good fish due to line breakages. this was because my braid was worn.

    I now have gone to using whiplash crystal which is a much thinner and lighter braid of 30lb and use a 40lb rubbing leader of amnesia. fingers crodded, since I have changed I have not had a rubbing leader knot fail and I have not had a braid breakage due to wear!
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