Braid and Multiplier

[DoZZa]

I know this has been covered before but I would still like some more info on the subject.

I have been using 30lb Berkley Fireline on my mag elite for a while now, not been having any problems, until yesterday. Had 2 over runs.

What I want to know is what diameter braid is best for a mag elite? I have tried thinner 20lb braid but i find this digs into the line on the spool, so when you cast it catches and causes a lovely birdy.


Would a more erratic line lay sort it? I say this because braid works fine on a fixed spool, but I think this is due to the way the line is layed by the FS reels.

Any help or ideas are appreciated.

Cheers

DoZZa

[Rajabatis]

Most folks load their Mag Elite with 15lb mono. Dia approx 0.35mm You need to get a braid the same diameter. Your 30lb stuff is as thin as 8-10lb mono. You have a lot more of it on the reel with that bs braid. The over run is because it is not pulling off enough line to lower the line depth on the spool. The spool is feeding line faster than it is coming off. A thicker braid will sort it. That and put some EP80 or 90 gear oil in the bearings and dial in a bit more mag.
If you lay the line with your thumb in a more exaggerated criss cross that will help prevent the line digging in to itself. Maybe that was the reason you had the over run? If the line was dug in down in the spool, then suddenly freed the spool would jerk slow down then speed up rapidly causing the tangle.
Hope that helps

[ask wingbacker]

15lb line is 0.35mm dia NOT 0.035mm.............!!!!!!!

[Rajabatis]

15lb line is 0.35mm dia NOT 0.035mm.............!!!!!!!

Wheesh got to be carefull not to put a foot wrong on this forum!
Yes sorry quite correct THANKS FOR POINTING OUT MY TYPO were you okay with the rest of my reply AB?

[lobbit]

15lb line is 0.35mm dia NOT 0.035mm.............!!!!!!!

generally speaking of course line thickness varies a bit dont yah know ,,,,
sorry im on the phone what i cant hear you

[ask wingbacker]

A reel that holds 220m of 0.35mmm will hold 22km of 0.035mm line that's some typo...hahahahaha sorry for pointing that out will not happen again
Wingbacker

[philtherod]

I've used the same 30lb braid for several years, it is 0.30mm diameter, which in monofilament equates to 10-12lb B.S., quite acceptable on a 6500 size reel.
I run my reel(abu 6500CT Rocket Mk II) tighter than I would with monofil to ensure I don'r have any problems with over-runs.

philtherod

[Rajabatis]

generally speaking of course line thickness varies a bit dont yah know ,,,,
sorry im on the phone what i cant hear you

Yes but not a lot. A line that is marked at a certain diameter. Say 0.35mm will be pretty much as stated if it is from a reputable manufacturer. Were there is lots of incorrect info is when breaking strain is stated. Some manufacurers state 15LBs breaking strain when it is actually more, 18lbs plus. It is more rare for it to be less than the stated breaking strain. See this interesting link if you are interested in lines.
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/dave02.htm
It is pretty good reading.

[Rajabatis]

generally speaking of course line thickness varies a bit dont yah know ,,,,
sorry im on the phone what i cant hear you

If you read the post that replied to DoZZas question again lobbit I did say
" Dia approx" in the post. Which means therabouts. Indicating there is a variation.

"Most folks load their Mag Elite with 15lb mono. Dia approx 0.35mm You need to get a braid the same diameter. Your 30lb stuff is as thin as 8-10lb mono. You have a lot more of it on the reel with that bs braid. The over run is because it is not pulling off enough line to lower the line depth on the spool. The spool is feeding line faster than it is coming off. A thicker braid will sort it. That and put some EP80 or 90 gear oil in the bearings and dial in a bit more mag.
Hope that helps"

[Ravelling Tangler]

yup, I too would recommend braid of about 0.30mm (now that tighter-weave braids are around - you' better check the listed diameter rather than just look for a prticular b.s.)
Having said that I've dicovered that the Penn 525 Mag Extra (the latest slidy) with the extra two magnets inserted is so docile that I am quite happy using 0.25mm Daiwa Tournament Accudepth on it.

I think you may find criss-crossing the line as you lay it (which is what helps prevent it digging in on Fixed spool reels) does not seem to help much with a multiplier - better just to make sure there is enough pressure (adding grip between finger & thumb, if not much strain on the line outside the rod tip) as winding it back on.

IF you still get problems, consider having a "topshot" of 0.35-to 0.40 mono ...about 30 or 40 yards of it... between the top end of your braid and the shock leader. Any bad birdsnests are likely to be on that, but there is still not so much that the stretch takes away all the "feel" advantage of braid at distance