Amount of line on Multiplier

**maghouse** · 21-02-2007, 15:00

Guys, pondering over my Multi .... if the spool was filled right up with line - I assume the weight ie. inertia be greater than if the spool was half empty .... therefore a smaller amount of line would result in less chance of a birdie through less inertia in the spinning spool ?

**MrBeachams** · 21-02-2007, 15:19

Plus a good loss of distance...................handy to lower your line level if your new to multiplyers or fishing into head winds though

**Bootster** · 21-02-2007, 15:27

Yep, more line means more chance of overrun during the cast. I always leave a good few mil spare on the spool, it's not as if any normal human is going to empty a reel when casting with bait on. Have noticed that this significantly reduces birdies, as well as the initial inertia problem that you mention, although how much this affects distance I've no idea. I've seen some Japanese multi spools with holes drilled in them to reduce weight further and reduce the inertia problem as much as possible.

I would guess that the birdie thing comes from the fact that more line comes off with each rotation of the spool when full to the brim so any excess coming off will birdie quicker. Don't know if anybody can confirm or correct that, but it seems to make sense.

**philtherod** · 21-02-2007, 15:35

That is why field casters wind off the L.H. tension control during the cast, if the reel is not of the Mag variety.

philthefish

**rayking** · 22-02-2007, 05:59

Originally Posted by maghouse

Guys, pondering over my Multi .... if the spool was filled right up with line - I assume the weight ie. inertia be greater than if the spool was half empty .... therefore a smaller amount of line would result in less chance of a birdie through less inertia in the spinning spool ?

the line on a multipilier should be about 2 - 3 mm just below the top of the spool .

**lobbit** · 23-02-2007, 09:22

i use the 3mm rule the shock takes me to the level mark
15 main 60lb shock
ive tried the mags full and ease off through the cast technique but tbh at 2 theres no birdys and casts are smooth and its less hassle with cold hands
regarding another post i measured using google earth and im getting 100/130yds with a bait on using a rough as a bears pendulum cast
going towards a desperate chuck at the end of a cold wet session

**spill** · 26-02-2007, 13:10

I think that it is less to do with inertia (or momentum) and more to do with the fact that the effective spool diameter is less with an underfilled spool, so the spool has to spin faster for the same lead speed. As the spool is spinning faster, the braking effect of the oil/mags/blocks is increased. Also, the spool reduces in diameter faster, forcing the spool to accellerate at a greater rate. The inertia of the spool is the resistance to this accelleration, which puts more tension on the line, reducing the possibility of tangles and to some extent, reducing distance.

The ideal line level will be decided by many factors, including: Spool mass, spool diameter, spool width, line diameter, oil/bearings, mags/blocks, and casting style/distance.

**GrumpyBloke** · 26-02-2007, 20:17

When I was teaching myself a type of pendulum cast, I kept the spool level down to avoid to many birds nests.As I don't carry spare reels , when I had a bad nest and cut out the line , there wasn,t enough left on the spool to continue fishing .So don't drop the level to low , or carry a spool of line.

**Corndawg** · 26-02-2007, 21:04

Originally Posted by GrumpyBloke

When I was teaching myself a type of pendulum cast, I kept the spool level down to avoid to many birds nests.As I don't carry spare reels , when I had a bad nest and cut out the line , there wasn,t enough left on the spool to continue fishing .So don't drop the level to low , or carry a spool of line.

How wise these words are.......

I have been following this discussion,with a lot of interest,as I am as good as a raw recruit to sea fishing,with a pair of multipliers,and had a lot of problems the first time I used one,a couple of weeks ago,in over 30 years of coarse fishing......

I think I started to get the basic idea with them,and having both reels fully loaded with line,I have taken so much off each,to make the 3mm gap from the top of the spool,so I hope it works now......... LOL

I look forward to other peoples thoughts on this too..........

**lobbit** · 28-02-2007, 20:20

think (dont quote me on this ) you need to fill your reel up in order for the inertia to brake properly if your line is close to the spool it has to travel further in the first stage of a cast and the brakes cant cope as well as if it were further from the centre of the spool
a common mistake ive made and seen others make is to try and cast as fast as possible a good steady build up with power at the end works for me
and if i start getting sloppy (which i do) i increase the tension on the spool to eliminate any chance of a birdy try practicing like this and work towards releasing the tension and see how you go , lots super tune reels into unruly beasts that only listen to the owner but can get phenominal distances but stick em on a beach for 6 hours in the cold and watch the birdys or panic braking to stop them
i like the effortless aproach good gear nursed = decent solid night fishing
and thats what matters really