Bait Clips

**simonvicos** · 03-04-2007, 11:27

I use quite a lot of fixed paternoster rigs wih single hookbaits. When I cast they do flap about a bit and limit the distance I can get, also some of the bait can fly off when I do this.

I know I need to clip it down and it will be easier to cast but just how do these things work. I have a few of the black plastic ones. Can I be sure they will release the bait on touchdown ?. Do I allow it to slide or fix it ?

Help

**sallysludgebucket** · 03-04-2007, 12:01

Are they the Breakaway Impact shields matey ?
http://www.peche2caps.net/materiel/i...t%20shield.jpg Instead of crimping in place, a couple of silicone tube short lengths formed into a figure of eight on the main line ( pass the mono line through a 5mm length, then pass through again moisten and slide into position ) will hold and be easily adjustable if the snood stretches, dont forget the bead between the stops and the shield though to ensure release.

Can easily use breakaway leads which have a bait clip release system built in as well.
A dirt cheap way is to chop a paperclip up to form a shallow hook shape and slide inside a length of silicone tube on the main rig body.

**Pelamid** · 03-04-2007, 12:34

Breakaway also make IMPS - easy to put on and release every time.

**Bootster** · 03-04-2007, 12:38

I always use the Breakaway jobbies that Sally mentioned, however if using 'normal' clips, rather than buy them snip a paperclip in a J shape, thread some silicon tubing on the line and then the J and bend the end over to prevent it sipping out. Costs about....ooooo 1p per clip rather than than 10p plus of the purpose made jobbies. Just get either plastic coated or rust proof clips.

Idea behind them is that the line streches slightly on the cast loosening the line slightly, this then means the hook releases on impact. Release depends on how you build the rig, don't make the hooklink too tight, I find the swivel at the paternoster under slight tension, but the leader still straight is best (does that make sense?). If set up correctly you should have almost 100% release but the very odd one will refuse to release, mainly with short casts.

**simonvicos** · 03-04-2007, 12:46

Thanks Guys. The ones I have are the black plastic ones. I printed off the diagram to help me set it up correctly.

If the bait clip was left free running then surely on the cast it would retain it's aero dynamic-ness and on impact would slide up the line thus releasing the hook

Sound sensible ?, any flaws in the plan ?

**gs425e** · 03-04-2007, 12:46

hi i dont think it matters what short of bait clips you use as i have found the all to let you down at some point and i have tried a lot, the impact shield need big hooks to guarentee a release gemini clips can catch the trace line and tangle the breakaweay leads dont always realease but drop off on the retreve so thinking they have realeased so now i always use short snood flapper rigs do the job and cast as far as you need with modern tackle the distance casting thing only matter if your using old mismatched tackle get new modern gear that is matched and you will be able to cast as far as you need to andy

**OneCodBob** · 03-04-2007, 13:42

Looks like you lot need an introduction to the device, you wont be messing about with bait clips with one of these. The device is designed to carry your baited hooks during casting and it ejects them when it hits the water. you can fish with previuosly uncastable soft baits and present head hooked ragworm for instance at great distance, safe in the knowledge that the bait reached its target intact.
Take a look.http://www.fishyrob.co.uk/DVice/index.htm

OCB.

**bluejt2000** · 03-04-2007, 13:58

Originally Posted by simonvicos

If the bait clip was left free running then surely on the cast it would retain it's aero dynamic-ness and on impact would slide up the line thus releasing the hook

The Breakaway clips, shown in the diagram posted near the beginning of the thread, if that is the one you mean, do slide up the trace on impact. What happens when it strikes the water is that the pressure forces the clip to slide up and strike the bead above it. As it tries to rise further up the trace the bead forces the angled clip to one side and the trace body slides down the groove in it, pushing the hook off.

The clip needs to be held tightly to the trace body by the tubing so that tension, which is necessary to hold the hook in place during the cast, can be applied. Furthermore, air pressure when the lead is on its journey would cause the clip to release.

That would be okay, but part of the clip's job is to hold the baited hook behind the lead, where it is protected from slipstream damage by the relatively calm pocket of air behind it. Moreover, the clip is designed to shield the bait on impact with the water - hence it's name, the impact clip. Neither of these would occur if the clip released early in the cast.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

John

**bluejt2000** · 03-04-2007, 14:05

Originally Posted by OneCodBob

Looks like you lot need an introduction to the device, you wont be messing about with bait clips with one of these. The device is designed to carry your baited hooks during casting and it ejects them when it hits the water. you can fish with previuosly uncastable soft baits and present head hooked ragworm for instance at great distance, safe in the knowledge that the bait reached its target intact.
Take a look.http://www.fishyrob.co.uk/DVice/index.htm

OCB.

Thank you for a very interesting link! On returning to the hobby not so long I ago I was wondering what had happened to the bait safe. I'm interested in trying one of these but couldn't find any indication of the actual weight of the device. Are they available in a range of weights?

Cheers,

John