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Commercial Inshore fishing... Fish Wiped out!

Discussion in 'Boat Angling / Angling Afloat' started by Wight Huntress, Mar 19, 2012.

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    Last week I took a group of regulars to a reasonably well know mark to target Rays, we had a few while we were there and here's a nice picture of these three all caught at the same time, biggest was 26lbs.. 3blondes.jpg
    All these three fish we returned in the spirit of 'Catch and Release'. The anglers were delighted with their catch and equally happy to watch these magnificent fish swim away,,,

    So then I expect you can understand how absolutely furious and gutted I was to hear that shortly after this trip a commercial boat set tangle nets on the same bank and caught approx 100 Rays!!!
    The result has now completely destroyed that mark now!!!
    What chance do we have???
    Another example, last year we were sole fishing, a local commercial boat started trawling all around us, in front, to the sides and behind us, so close... within 10 yards of my boat!!!

    I for one do not feel sad when I hear that Commercial inshore fishing is on the decline, the sooner the better as far as I am concerned, the effect and damage to the sea and fish stocks that it has is so disproportionate, its about time someone stood up and voiced the reality!
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    Wight huntress, I agree 100% with you. I have absolutley no sympathy for these guys. I am sure I am not the only 1 to see what is happening. These guys are making fishing almost pointless with the amount of fish they take. Not only this they destroy the sea bed and take every immature fish with it. They then have the cheek to moan that fish levels are low and try to blame pleasure anglers for the lack of fish. These people also think they have the right to the sea as it is their living. Us pleasure anglers are expected to get out of their way when it suits them and think nothing of fishing within feet of your boat. Like you say the sooner they are out of business the better is all I can say. Mind you I dont eat fish so it is probably easier for me to say this, but it is a joke!!!!
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    The same happened in Cardigan Bay some years back. We regularly used to catch many rays into double figures until the inshore brigade did their worst. Not had a single ray in the last 8 years !!
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    Any of the anti-commercial brigade care to explain to everyone who enjoys fish but can't fish for their supper themselves, what they're supposed to do?

    Or is it only charters and RSAs who should be allowed to fish?
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    In MY view, YES, the finances are totally in favour of supporting anglers... massively so!

    There are plenty of other sources of obtaining/supplying fish to eat, inshore commercial industry supply less than 5% of all fish eaten in UK!

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    And in reply the the previvious question...

    These banks are not tangle netted at this time of year as a matter of course,
    What happens is that commercials need to have their ear to the ground and finger on the pulse, if they see or notice some charter activity on certain marks then they will know by experience what is being caught and then they go and clear it out for their own commercial reasons.

    What is a 20lb Blonde Ray worth to a commercial fisherman? £5-£10 at a guess? It's a fish of a lifetime for many anglers!
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    Hi mate,

    How many times have you fished the mark since you heard the netter had been there, and how did it fish?
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    In answer to your question, I believe that we are approaching the point at which we have to decide who provides the biggest economic benefit to UK plc and what the consequences are.

    Already it is a fact that RSAs provide more to the UK economy than commercial fishermen. How long before we take the route that the Floridians took in the US of banning netting in inshore waters, so as to allow an RSA based fishing fleet?

    Maybe not a popular move but with the will this could be achieved, after all the Atlantic Salmon guys have bought off most, if not all, of the salmon nets around Scotland.

    I don't want to take away anyone's living but it seems to me that to buy off the commercials now and not allow new ones to replace them is the way to go. Now guys are we going to put our hands in our pockets now or just whine about it forever?

    Just a thought.
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    Just because someone puts "fact" in a post doesn't make it so. Where are the figures to back up this "fact" and what was the methodology used in determining the conclusion?
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    Could be a plan, I know of 2/3rds of the shares in one individual Boat/Licence/Quota which changed hands recently for North of £40 Million, so I hope you have pretty deep pockets.........:g:

    Could you provide some facts to back up your value argument, obviously it's a nice buzzy soundbite, but is their any real meat on the bones.........not arguing either way but is there anything to back it up..........:unsure:
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    So, you would willingly trade the <10m inshore fleet against the >10m offshore fleet, despite any number of reports showing the <10m inshore fisheries to be more sustainable?

    About 35 boats, private, charter and a couple of rod & line commercials were on The Shambles yesterday, not a trawler in sight but if that continues, the turbot will really take a hammering. Who are you going to blame then?

    Do you throw a hissy-fit when you find a mid-channel wreck has been netted or do you simply do what the skippers I fish with do and find another wreck?
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    Given how few under 10m boats are trawlers or dredgers, could you explain to us all how they destroy the sea bed? So far as I'm aware tangle nets/pots/longlines dont really do much damage to the seabed. And when did any commercials complain that RSAs are affecting their catches?
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    1.NO I would not, I never said that I would, I believe that they BOTH need controlling!
    2. True that the turbot are taking a hammering, but over a period of time and how much money and business has been created throufh these charters? One or two good regular trawels would end all of that, that's my point! How would those weymouth / poole skippers feel if their grounds were cleared by one or two trawels? Go and ask them eh?
    That recent post about the HUGE Turbot caught would not ever have happened... think about that!
    3. Yes I do! And I think that I know most of the skippers that you may fish with, and I am sure that they too are very cheesed off about it!

    My arguement is not with you Codhead , but you have helped to highlight my point nicely, and I am not against commercials, I have several friends in the trade, but it is a FACT that the effect that they have is out of proportion,
    I wanted to highlight this example to add to the list.
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    Here's the figures for the £400m or so that the commercial sector contributes

    http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...6939Bw&usg=AFQjCNHRxoSJ9KotbR_WGF8Jxzd9Ra41uw

    Here's the reference for the £560m ish that RSAs contribute

    http://statistics.defra.gov.uk/esg/reports/SeaAngling/default.asp

    Sorry that it is not all well linked but I'm sitting on a slow internet connection that keeps timing out.

    The latest data suggests that the £400m of commercial input is dropping and that the £560m RSA income is nearer £700m.

    For me this is sufficient evidence to challenge the commercial guys *right* to take the last fish swimming because they have a family to feed.

    +1 with the Wight Huntress response, I don't believe that RSAs are without blame and that both need to have some degree of regulation if we are all to see reasonable fishing in the future
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    So why did you post this?:

    Have you been back on the mark?

    Have you seen the sea bed?

    How do you know it is now "fished-out"?
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    I was rather hoping you'd come back with something a little better than the Drew Associates report. A report that has been shown to be garbage more times than I've caught fish. Even DEFRA have stopped linking to it, it's got nothing to do with a slow internet connection, DEFRA have kept it buried ever since it was pointed out to them how rubbish the datasets used by Drew are
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    I suppose that I ought to ask you the same question, your evidence for this being garbage? I don't want a fight with anyone but I, like you want to see the evidence.
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    Hi mate,

    Your figures are wildly out, first line landings for Scotland alone were circa £435 million in 2010.

    It is widely accepted that the real worth of this to the economy is between 3 and 4 times the first line landing figure due to enhancing value before end sale, so a lowball figure would be £1,305 billion for Scotland alone.

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Agriculture-Fisheries/TrendSeaFisheries

    The RSA figures you quote are widely acknowledged to be a complete joke.
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    May I remind you, I wasn't the one who came on here spouting about how much more valuable RSAs were to the economy than <10m inshore commercials.

    The fact that any link to the Drew Report is broken should speak volumes about the veracity of it.

    But just for you, Drew reckoned there were 1.3 million people in the UK who fished in the sea.

    Now just think about that one alone and then compare the number of freshwater licences issued by DEFRA in 2010 was - 1.3 millions.

    If you seriously believe as many people fish in the sea as engage in freshwater fishing, then you're away with the fairies.
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    What was that? A battleship?

    If it was a mackeral boat, lets say he sells the mack for 20p each, thats 200,000,000 mack he would need to sell for 2/3rds? lets say an average of 500 grams per mackeral thats 100,000,000 kilos or 100,000 tonnes, which works out at 274 tonnes every day of the year.

    Doesnt really seem to be any meat on your bones if I'm honest, there most definatly isnt enough fish in the sea to make that very sustainable for very long.

    Wheres your facts??:crazy:
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    That's interesting because others wouldn't substantiate your claim.

    http://www.swenvo.org.uk/themes/biodiversity/marine-fish/

    Look at the end of the day all I and I suspect most on this board is better fishing and the chance that things will get better and in my view a spat between commercial interests and RSAs serves neither side.
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