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Things are on the up....slowwwly

Discussion in 'Boat Owning, Equipment and Maintenance' started by W.olly, Jun 29, 2015.

  1. W.olly

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    And more itchy scratchy to come kida, i wish i got a full dust overall thingy, itchy arms again :(

    Todays update of a few fiddly bits before i make the anchor locker, first was to fit the hand rails. Easy job, along with painting the top screen so we can fit the windows tomorrow and get the canopy back on permanent.



    I will get pics again when i fit the canopy and windows tomorrow but for now these are the grab handles i made while practicing my welding,



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    Last week when i started to do the screen windows i didnt like how the top of the screen was so close to the canopy, picky i know but its just me, well T says i am a faffer, but i have to like it.

    What i did was make this frame from Sapele to lift the canopy 25mm, looks good and gives a nice bit of woodwork to the canopy from the inside, you cant see it much from the outside. A few brackets fro ally were made aswell to lnk them together, although no need for them really but it all helps........something.



    They just sit on the screen top in between the screen and canopy.



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    This was the sketch of the locker and set out but it has changed a little as of a while ago. The locker will be a more diamond shape, no bollard and the fairleads will be now cleats for mooring up. In the locker there will be a large cleat to tie the anchor line to and a standard roller. more basic and less rope work.



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    Again i was hoping i had finished with grinding back, not now so i popped off to Machine Mart for some bits, Carbide grinding discs, great for getting back to the matting to laminate to, new goggles and dust decent dust mask, a few times i used the throw away masks but they are near useless on this job.



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    I marked out and 4 inch more the locker and ground back, also around the repair i did, this will beef up the repair more as in the firsst place i didnt do the best job for strength. This should do the trick now.



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    All done and once cleaned out ready for the layup. i will be keeping the foam in place but the rear side will be 18mm marine plywood for good strength for the anchor.



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    Now this is clean towards what you get when you use a flap disc or normal grinder.



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    This is what come dust is...well not dust but more fibers. lot easier to clean up.



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    Thats about it for now, tomorrow i will be fitting the window and canopy, and finishing the locker a bit more while it is nice,
     
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  3. W.olly

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    I have had a real pain in the *** of a weekend. I didnt plan to get the anchor locker all done but with things not going....again to plan i am behind a weee bit. Some thing to do with buying the wrong size bolts for the screen.
    Saying that though i am very happy with the finished canopy. But for 3 bolts i cut down to short and canopy hand rails need bolting down it is done.

    How the weekend went. First was to start the locker.

    All i did was use a few strips of 650 combo matt to hold the sides inplace.


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    Add two 650 combo inside, just makes it easier to do than laminating through the hatch.

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    Here i drilled up from the corners of the locker so i can see where to mark out for cutting the hatch from the outside.

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    Then laminate once the 18mm marine ply back is held in place, i just drilled a few holes the it so i push nails through into the foam.

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    Then three laminations all over. this should give a rough 6mm thickness. I will be adding two more though, i want it strong as the anchor rode will be cleated off this.

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    That is afar as i got with it, near done from the inside and i will be marking out the hatch for cutting out.

    Neoprene strip on the aperture

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    Also on the frames

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    Then all was is a matter of cutting back the sixty 45mm screws i had got down to 20-22mm, not good but time time consuming and when i want a job done i just tend to moan and get it done lol.

    Inside the canopy i used dome nuts to finish a bit better than nylocs. I am thinking i need some ally or wood strip to go around the inner frame yet. Good for now though.

    The end result

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    As said rails need bolting but i have ran out now. And just got an order delivered with a load of new counter sunk strake and deck wares bolts.

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    And last good pic of overall view.............yep i am chuffed and feel good that it is all done on the out side but for a few little bits like grab handles etc

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    Hope you like :)
     
  4. Nice.
    Only just come across this thread and reading the first ever post was "hoping to be finished by may 2016" guessing that didn't got to plan.

    I've had 2 similar projects in the past, one of them I ended up selling half finished and just about scraped even, the other I'm still using.

    It was never about money or how much time it took, just loved every aspect of working on them and bringing them back from the big boatyard in the sky.

    Can't wait to see the finished project, good luck and keep working at it, the results will be fantastic in the end.
     
  5. W.olly

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    I have had a few boats over the years, never finished one....but are they ever lol. And on time i think not, this darn thing was a whole lot more once i started to get into it, a lot as expected but the shell was crap to say the least. Ok now though.
    It the thing with these projects ,you are lucky to get back what you put in but then i see it as a hobby and enjoy it as yu say. You need to like doing these things otherwise it will not be finished unless you have deep pockest for somebody esle to do it..but then you would buy one to go.

    A small update of today

    Todays task was finishing the locker and fitting new strake bolts which i dont know why i didnt stay with them in the first place, hey but then all dont go as it should first off.

    Ilaminated the inner face of the locker with four 650 grm combo matt and the inside the same so this should be good and strong for the extra bow strength and good fo the anchor rode to tie to, where the cleat will be going i will be adding a few more laminations on top of a 150x150x18mm then on top a 125x125x18 marine ply pads with 3mm stainless backing pad inside the cabin..
    I did forget to add more laminations on the inside below the locker to beef that area up incase of impact, infact i am glad i did as it is very thin towards the rest of the boat there .

    I still need to drill drain hole/s and smooth out a bit but still all done.

    The opening is large enough for a good size anchor so a 7-10kg will be fine in there with room to spare.


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    This is the rear side where the cleat rode will be bolted to, at the top below the strengthening batten i added some time ago.

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    Next job is the locker lid, that is tonight`s job while watching a film and sleeping, to design how i want it, i will use the cutout though for ease.
     
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    Had a good day today, with cutting angles again that is, not much good as said before but they come out ok on the rear deck hatch.

    I made it a little bigger than the last one i made, not mcuh though just easier to get under incase....hey you never know.
    I used the same Z profile as the locker seats had. I need to cut down the hatch but for now i sealed all the edges with resin and two more coats to go. I have ordered more Sikaflex Marine to seal it more, should be in a day or so.


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    Good part of having the hatch open now i can get the deck drains in, every time it rains i have had to mp all the water out and thats about 30-40l.

    I had to cut down enough so there is enough thread underneath to get the comp washer tight. 12mm did the trick. These were as the rest of the wood and sealed with resin again and then on these areas some 2pk epoxy glue.

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    Not yet decided if these to ( one either rear corner of the deck ) will drain out the side or join in the middle and drain in the engine well, i need to see how low the outlet is.

    Now then, i was pushing my luck i think here, i got these fender eyes ages ago, last year i think as i just love the solid sturdy look of them. I will be fitting four down each side but one will be on the bend of the bow. MMMmmm the eye is 15mm deep and is a lot to protrude from the strake.

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    All i can do to fit these is recess them into the strake, which is 20mm thick. Yep that gives 15mm to cut out and just 5mm
    left. Eeee i am good at matchs lol.

    Hey what can go wrong.................

    Here is what i did first, i drilled a hole for a bolt to hold the strake back on the weak spot which will be left when the exess is cut out.

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    This SS M5 counter sunk bolt goes all the way through to the hull and the strake does so all held tight until i get the fender eye bolted in, infact it will stay in so in all four M5 bolts will be holding the strake down.

    Then i just cut away wating to be smacked in the mush by a batten of Sapele lol.

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    Here once i chipped away you can see the bolt i used.

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    One down 7 to go, i mite round the outer corner yet a wee bit, just to make it...i dont know. i just faff to much.

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    Tomorrows job is to seal the timbers a bit more and then finish these eyes.
     
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    Looking good ,light at the end of the tunnel?
     
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    the more and more I see of this the more I like it, great work chap keep it up and that canopy is looking like it's been there forever now :thumbsup:
     
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    Ye, the canopy does finish it off i think, its a big worry as when making it i was so worried it would look stupid, i see so any that just look to high, out of place etc. This does from head on, look high but then its not often you see a boat sat still head on thank god lol.

    I near peed myself when i got prices for the canvas canopy, average was £1300 :eeks:

    Not got a whole lot done in he last few days, fitted the grab handles properly and finished the fender eyes, this weekend i plan to do a little laminating in the bow under the new locker and then strat the wiring and lining out with 5mm ply so i can do the frame work. Oh yes, a bit more insulating to be doe as i line it out.

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    I've said it before and probably will again, great work and it looks real good.
     
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    Not good being back at work :(
    Little done, but what has been done, all counts though.

    I sealed around the top edge of the top strake with Sikalflex 291i, This just double;e measure to prevent leaks through the bolt holes. Easy job but messy as always with Sikaflex.

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    I fitted the trim for the hatchs and then after a few days to set cleaned back, one again Sikaflex 291i.

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    Then i thought i should finish of the wiring so i can line it out, Ah, well i would of but i ran out of wire. No big deal as there is still lots to do. I used 2mm for all the lighting and 3mm for the horn, search light and power points like TV and charge points for gadgets, yes i am not a gadget man but the grand kids are is so when the come the can charge there gadgets. aswell as T with her small lap top thingy.
    The wiring is more than needed cross section wise but i would rather be safe than sorry, the volt drop at worst is 1.5% and that is for the horn and bilge pumps.

    Wire dangling all over now,

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    Forgot about this bit, last week i gave the area below the anchor locker four 650grm combo laminations to beef it up.
    I got some insulation boards again the other day as i want to make Zig a kennel and also to insulate the bow as now there will be no bulkhead at the front. A new set out is planned which will show as i go.

    Trouble is got the wrong thickness of board, what a plonker, so i could`nt insulate this area yet.

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    One area i needed to do before i like out is the port hole fame and front windows. I started with the port hole, I have used 18mm marine ply to do a basic frame and this will be lined up to with the 6mm ply lining.

    I had to remove all the bolts as they were to short to go through the 18mm ply frame. I need to seal this yet before i bolt it in properly.

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    But for that i have started to cut the lining out, a few sections for the bulkhead and two 8 foot section down the sides. I am using 6mm hardwood faced ply for the sides as it is better the fix to for the frame work for the seats/berths and heads/wet room.......i say wet room, i am trying to work out how to drain to a auto pump. I can find room in the bilge for a pump out unit so if i can find a good inline pump that will do.


    It does feel good to be fitting it out at last, been a hell of a time to sort the rest out, and still more to do but that can be done in time when weather permits, the anchor locker needs finishing, and i need to stop faffing on what new cleats to get as the ones i have are not going to be up to the job really.

    Also marked from the inner ribs where the lower strakes will be screwed through.

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    Looks absolutely brilliant mate, I've been following your build on YBW, top work!
    Regarding the canopy, they are hideously expensive. Have you thought about making your own? All the stainless fittings etc are available on line, I'm sure a man of your skills could make something up for a fraction of the price, even if you needed to rent an industrial sewing machine.
    There is a thread on YBW somewhere about a company that supplies all the stainless fittings.
     
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    We were all set to make our own canopy but after looking into it more it is not as easy a sit looks, to get right that is. My wife is ok with the sewing machine but it is the accuracy needed to get it right.
    I think the canopy is like a `make or break` if it tuns out bad, folds ripple etc it will ruin the boat. Also for it not to leak at the seams.
    We got a few quotes and average was £1200, made and fitted though.....jeez that is a lot lol.

    You never know by time come we mite give it a go.
     
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    You are quite right about the need for a canopy to RIGHT. Windows and seams probably need to be welded to ensure a fully watertight joint, and zips can be a nightmare. I have been getting some quotes for a canopy for my Carrera and am horrified at the costs. I was recommended to try a chap at Bedford (I know its a long way for you), but he quoted me about 30% less than the others although he does have a long lead time (mine is booked in for next march). You could give him a buzz if interested -Andy from AC trimmers. Mobile no-0788568462. Geoff.
     
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    What i think adds up a lot for me is the one off build, if the boat was standard it would of been around £800 as it could be made from plans, but they need to come out three times to the boat for sizing up and fitting etc.
    I will try your contact, worth a try :) thanks
     
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    None of the people that I spoke to would make a canopy from an existing pattern, they were all bespoke. If you are able to make your own stainless frame I am sure it would reduce the cost Good luck with your call to Andy. I do not know him and have never met him, but he does come highly recommended. Geoff.
     
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    I said to all the chaps i called about me making the frame but tey said that it will be best and a lot easier for them to make it. Could be for the extra cash in a way as one chap said if i make my own they charge £350 for a single hoop frame. A few lengths os SS tube is about £60, but then i guess the fitting are not cheap at around a tenner each.

    we will see, will not be until next year anyway.
     
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    I have to say i think i made the right choice. For weeks i hav been debating what type of cleats to get, i had a nice set but they just didnt look upto the job as they were only bolted down with two M5 bolts and small pad. I know it more in the spreader plate but still, ifit does mot feel right i canr do it , will bug me forever.

    So as said weeks of choosing and looking around, much to T`s annoyance :)I chose these beauties. Same 160mm long but bigger M10 mounting bolts and dam site bigger everywhere else, will take plenty of 10-20mm rope.

    Trouble is now the rest of the boat look sout of place now lol. Need to bling it up. Need to stop all this bling as dont want a miniature gin palace lol.

    This is the new ones with the other ones. Was tempted to make my own at one point, taking long enuogh and want to carry on fitting out not faffing making things now.

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    They are not fitted yet as i forgot to order the bolts, got all but M10, sods law init. Need to fit them soon though as i need to line the bow.


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    Those cleats look absolutely spot on, in the first picture when they was on the table next to each other I thought the big one's where going to look too big but seeing them placed on the deck they look perfect nice choice :thumbsup:
    Have you chosen a colour for the hull yet? I'm thinking imho it would suit a nice deep royal blue down from the gunnel to the waterline
     
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    I have to agree when they arrived i thought OMG massive. Well chuffed though :) I have a colour choice and got the paint a few weeks back, a dark blue as you mention, but it does look a bit bright, i need to do a sample to see what it is like..
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    Now then this weekends work

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    These are the front cleats, the rear a a bit smaller as there isnt as much room, these are 10x5 inch and 3mm SS with 18mm marine ply, to be bedded down with Sikaflex 291i. i was going to use Fillite but Sikalfex is good enough, mite just have enough left [​IMG]


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    So to finish the weekends, as you have seen the cleats spreaders were done, but still need to drill them out to 12mm for easier fitting, gives a bit of space for the M10 bolts.

    I have not glued/fixed the lining panels in place as yet as i need a new foam gun and cleaner then i can fill the gaps behind the lining.

    This is how i find small profiles when cutting curves or angles for the lining.

    Here you can see where the panel is short, the top right, it is 25mm short so what i do is.

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    Small piece of 6mm ply, drill a hole that will take a marker tip, 6mm hole will do here. And as you can see the marker just protrudes through to the other side.

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    The push the ply against the top and run along giving the cut line you need. Cut away and hey ho. easy profile tool.


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    Here as the sides are uneven due to the profile of the shell i decided to instead of using 25mm insulation board and have loads of cavities is to space out with hardwood and line out as wiht the usual ply, then drill a few 8mm holes and fill with expanding foam. holes every 4 or 6 inch will do the job, leave the hole open so then you can see that the foam has expaned properly. It has worked in the past for me, so should do again. just dont be shy on filling with foam.


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    As far as i got this weekend, a few more panels are made for the galley side but much the same as here. Oh yes and al wiring is done but for the gunnel lights, we are going to fit two down either side but thse can wait for now as the wire will be run from the berth lights.
     
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    That blue looks spot on, if you look at the colour around the side of the can that's what it will be and it looks perfect unless it's because it's shaded of course
     
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