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Hi all,
I'm try to take the handle side of my 7ht mag apart to fix it and I've taken the screws out and the two plates only come a few mm apart then it won't budge

(Do I need to take the handle off?)


Also when I took the end cap off for the side play this came out and snapped in half.

Does anyone know what this part is called as I need to order a new one now :doh:
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Elliot
 

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Yes you need to remove the handle.

Out of habit I would start to dismantle from the handle down and lay out the pieces in an orderly manner as I take them off.

Example I would clear a space on my work surface and start by taking off the screw and collar that fit over the nut that holds the handle on, lay that (top right or left which ever is your choice) on your cleared space. After that take off the circlip and said nut off and lay them next to the cap, and then the handle, and so and so on, careful when taking off the handle as the bearings and shims could fall out of the endplate assembly so keep it handle uppermost, then lay out the handle.

Place one hand over the reel with the spindle in the palm of your hand, then invert the reel so your hand is on the bottom and with a bit of luck the bearings, spacers and shims should all come out into your hand keep them in the some order and lay them next to your other pieces.

Once this is done then I would go for the three bolts that hold the end cap onto the frame, after this you should have the end plate assembly free to work on with no pieces to suddenly fall out and surprise you.

Place the assembly on the surface blue plate uppermost then take out the two screws either side of the center cap, then gently lift the blue cap while holding the rest firmly on the worksurface.

When dismantling in this fashion I find it is a generally a doddle to reassemble.
 

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Almost forgot sorry I don’t know what the name of the part you have shown, and also take great care when taking off the circlip that stops the handle coming off as they fly and are hell to find if you lose sight of it.

If that fails then wrap it in a hanky and give it a bit of :hammer: it seems to work for Paul Daniels although not for Tommy Cooper.:roll1::roll1:
 

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tYes you need to remove he handle. Out of habit I would start to dismantle from the handle down and lay out the pieces in an orderly manner as I take them off.

Example I would clear a space on my work surface and start by taking off the screw and collar that fit over the nut that holds the handle on, lay that (top right or left which ever is your choice) on your cleared space. After that take off the circlip and said nut off and lay them next to the cap, and then the handle, and so and so on, careful when taking off the handle as the bearings and shims could fall out of the endplate assembly so keep it handle uppermost, then lay out the handle.

Place one hand over the reel with the spindle in the palm of your hand, then invert the reel so your hand is on the bottom and with a bit of luck the bearings, spacers and shims should all come out into your hand keep them in the some order and lay them next to your other pieces.

Once this is done then I would go for the three bolts that hold the end cap onto the frame, after this you should have the end plate assembly free to work on with no pieces to suddenly fall out and surprise you.

Place the assembly on the surface blue plate uppermost then take out the two screws either side of the center cap, then gently lift the blue cap while holding the rest firmly on the worksurface.

When dismantling in this fashion I find it is a generally a doddle to reassemble.
Not on mine you don't,the only thing I can see that would impede removal of the spool would be line level,with regard to stripping down, if you decide to go down this route the only tip I can give you is to do it inside a carrier bag or something similar that way if bits do "ping off" they can't go too far,by the way don't be tempted to phuck with the magnofuge arrangement !


Sorry read op wrong thought you were having problems removing endplate assembly from reel,apologies tendered.
 

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Elliot - i could be wrong but the shaft that you broke "the pinion" is an area of concern on these reels, there has been posts where you can buy a pinion shaft support for your reels which help strengthen this area when you are reeling in / casting etc, whilst you have your reel in bits its probably worth getting one and inserting this when you re -assemble your reel.
I think Blackdog makes / sells them.

Some one will hopefully confirm this as i am not 100% sure if it is this part that is prone to bending / breaking, its been a topic of discussion before.

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Elliot - i could be wrong but the shaft that you broke "the pinion" is an area of concern on these reels, there has been posts where you can buy a pinion shaft support for your reels which help strengthen this area when you are reeling in / casting etc, whilst you have your reel in bits its probably worth getting one and inserting this when you re -assemble your reel.
I think Blackdog makes / sells them.

Some one will hopefully confirm this as i am not 100% sure if it is this part that is prone to bending / breaking, its been a topic of discussion before.

Steve.
I too am not 100% if this is the part, but if it is! this problem and design stems back to the original 7ht's, and there definitely is a part to alleviate the problem........
 

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Elliot - i could be wrong but the shaft that you broke "the pinion" is an area of concern on these reels, there has been posts where you can buy a pinion shaft support for your reels which help strengthen this area when you are reeling in / casting etc, whilst you have your reel in bits its probably worth getting one and inserting this when you re -assemble your reel.
I think Blackdog makes / sells them.

Some one will hopefully confirm this as i am not 100% sure if it is this part that is prone to bending / breaking, its been a topic of discussion before.

Steve.
The piece in question is also manufactured and marketed by Matchman.
 

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Cheers Steve, well the originall problem was the reel wouldn't go back into gear after free spool. It's because one of the circle discs is stuck and dosen't move out.

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Elliot
The problem you describe has been an issue with a lot of reels from the early batches that arrived in the country,usually down to small pieces of swarf inside gearing end,of course this won't be helped if this is it's first service:whistling
 

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Cheers mate,
I did have this same problem 3 months after I got the reel and I sent it back and they fixed it but it's out of warrenty now. I have never had my reel properly serviced, I just take it apart every few weeks and give it a clean and an oil if it needs it. But I think it's about time I got it serviced, same as my original 7ht Ive had it nearly 3 years and never had it serviced I'm always too busy using them. Time to say :bye2::bye2: to my reels for a while lol
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Cheers Steve, well the originall problem was the reel wouldn't go back into gear after free spool. It's because the right hand circle disc is stuck and dosen't move out.

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Elliot

Not having a go ... but not surprised your having hassles Elliot .. if its had a trip out 3 times a week for 18 months and you have to ask how to get the sideplate off now, it hasn't been looked after properly ... and no surprise that its starting to play up as its really expecting a bit much of any small casting reel.

The problem with the reel incidentially (if it isn't just good old fashioned lack of tlc and needing a proper service) is probably the usual problem ie the tunnel at the top of the driveshaft ... it tends to occur very quickly when the reels are not getting the attention they need.

Just out of interest ... what is it you are referring to as the right hand circle disc thats stopping it going back into gear? Not quite sure I really get what you mean but maybe I'm missing something.
 

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Russ i used to fix a few 7ht,s years ago that had the same prob the mag uses the same brakeplate that uses to arms to push away like the older abu gearboxes the two discs are what you can see in the pic behind the black plastic disc they slide out into a counterbore when the free spool button is pressed the counterbore makes the brakeplate thin in this area ,if its not cleaned the chromed discs with the aid of salt and sand wear away the gold anodising this soon corrodeds and the disvcs being harder than corroded ally wear away more the discs eventually can try and pull through the brakeplate at best they stick a lot not allowing the springs in the gearbox to pull the reel back into gear .Simple maintainence and regular cleaning stop this running the whole reel under the tap washes a salt solution into these spots causing more probs .
 

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Russ i used to fix a few 7ht,s years ago that had the same prob the mag uses the same brakeplate that uses to arms to push away like the older abu gearboxes the two discs are what you can see in the pic behind the black plastic disc they slide out into a counterbore when the free spool button is pressed the counterbore makes the brakeplate thin in this area ,if its not cleaned the chromed discs with the aid of salt and sand wear away the gold anodising this soon corrodeds and the disvcs being harder than corroded ally wear away more the discs eventually can try and pull through the brakeplate at best they stick a lot not allowing the springs in the gearbox to pull the reel back into gear .Simple maintainence and regular cleaning stop this running the whole reel under the tap washes a salt solution into these spots causing more probs .

Gotya ... strangely enough haven't had a 7HT in for repair or service for ages. I did once have one in many years ago that was "running a bit rough" ... as I took it apart the brake plate fell to peices in my hands. Apparently the guy had been using it for uptiding then just leaving it in the cabin of his boat without any cleaning or a service ... for 2 years!
 
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