Not fished the R10 but have been using the Akios Scora 80 for just over a year the body looks very similar to the R10 but i've just relegated it to the outside loo where I store my other junk.
When I bought it i was really impressed at how smooth it was and how good the line lay was but after a 14months of light use and I only ever pump and wind with fish/weed on it's gone to rats.
The foot where it joins the body wobbles like a jelly the whole shaft/spool rocks on the retrieve I paid £100 for it but should have flushed the notes down the toilet and cut out the middle man.
Since then I have purchased a pair of Ultegra's a 14000xsd and a 10000 xsc now happy happy happy no comparison what a reel should feel like never will I buy another reel unless it's a Shimano/Daiwa.
just my opinion.
Pete

 

Finrot.....I started that other thread because there wasn't much information about the reels, and I had bought two of them from Veals. Someone mentioned that these reels were simple Chinese junk, with an Akios rebadge. Well.....we bought the cheap reel that was said to be the exact same thing, and it wasn't even close. So now we got a junk Chinese reel in the drawer. No one wants to fish with it. LOL

I have never tried the Shimano you mentioned, but it seems to have a loyal following. If choosing between the two, and you need a new reel soon, it would be an easy choice to make. Get the Shimano, as no one really knows about the R10's durability yet.

I have three Daiwa Emblem Pro A reels and a Penn Surf Blaster, and they now sit in my drawer of unwanted reels. So I would say the Akios are easily better than those.

I fish clean sandy beaches, where an extreme distance cast can make the difference between sitting and watching my rods, or catching fish. My normal targeted species don't get above ten pounds, so a powerful reel was not what I needed. I needed distance. The R10 definitely delivers distance. The line peels off so freely and easily that it is hard to see or feel it leaving the spool. Very nice.

Any long stroke reel is susceptible to being damaged from a large powerful fish. The reels known for strength are all short stroke designs. However, I did land a five foot shark with my R10 this past Sunday morning. Didn't baby the reel, just did my normal thing and put him on the sand. Along the way I never felt I was at a disadvantage. The drag worked like a drag is supposed to work. The reel seems just fine to me now. No noticble wobbles or grinding sounds.

I haven't done another measured cast, but really want to hit my goal of 200 yards with baited rig. Have fished the reels about ten times now, so not a lot to say about durability. The line has not given me any issues. I even attached a lure and threw it for a while. I felt I was getting excellent distance, and if I was going to have line issues, they would have been created then.

I also own the Akios 100 that came out prior to the R10, and have fished with it many times. It also has managed some larger fish without issues. Still seems like new to me. It also casts nicely, but Not as nicely as the latest design.

I use thirteen foot rods with low rider guides, Den's mechanical releases, 30 lb Daiwa JBraid main line and 100 lb Maxquattro shock leaders. Very happy to have these reels.

 

Finrot.....I started that other thread because there wasn't much information about the reels, and I had bought two of them from Veals. Someone mentioned that these reels were simple Chinese junk, with an Akios rebadge. Well.....we bought the cheap reel that was said to be the exact same thing, and it wasn't even close. So now we got a junk Chinese reel in the drawer. No one wants to fish with it. LOL

I have never tried the Shimano you mentioned, but it seems to have a loyal following. If choosing between the two, and you need a new reel soon, it would be an easy choice to make. Get the Shimano, as no one really knows about the R10's durability yet.

I have three Daiwa Emblem Pro A reels and a Penn Surf Blaster, and they now sit in my drawer of unwanted reels. So I would say the Akios are easily better than those.

I fish clean sandy beaches, where an extreme distance cast can make the difference between sitting and watching my rods, or catching fish. My normal targeted species don't get above ten pounds, so a powerful reel was not what I needed. I needed distance. The R10 definitely delivers distance. The line peels off so freely and easily that it is hard to see or feel it leaving the spool. Very nice.

Any long stroke reel is susceptible to being damaged from a large powerful fish. The reels known for strength are all short stroke designs. However, I did land a five foot shark with my R10 this past Sunday morning. Didn't baby the reel, just did my normal thing and put him on the sand. Along the way I never felt I was at a disadvantage. The drag worked like a drag is supposed to work. The reel seems just fine to me now. No noticble wobbles or grinding sounds.

I haven't done another measured cast, but really want to hit my goal of 200 yards with baited rig. Have fished the reels about ten times now, so not a lot to say about durability. The line has not given me any issues. I even attached a lure and threw it for a while. I felt I was getting excellent distance, and if I was going to have line issues, they would have been created then.

I also own the Akios 100 that came out prior to the R10, and have fished with it many times. It also has managed some larger fish without issues. Still seems like new to me. It also casts nicely, but Not as nicely as the latest design.

I use thirteen foot rods with low rider guides, Den's mechanical releases, 30 lb Daiwa JBraid main line and 100 lb Maxquattro shock leaders. Very happy to have these reels.

So far so good then? I'm on pretty much clean-mixed beaches and never had a double figure fish off our the beaches yet... i live in hope! lol

Would you say the R10 is a better reel than the 100's? Just the gentleman above mentioned issue hes had with the 100!

 

So far so good then? I'm on pretty much clean-mixed beaches and never had a double figure fish off our the beaches yet... i live in hope! lol

Would you say the R10 is a better reel than the 100's? Just the gentleman above mentioned issue hes had with the 100!

Forget about those aikos reels, a daiwa BG fixed spool, will still being going strong, years after the aikos has been binned.

 

Forget about those aikos reels, a daiwa BG fixed spool, will still being going strong, years after the aikos has been binned.

Norman I think you'll be right about how long the reels will last but for sheer distance if needed how would the BG compare to the R10.

 

Ive just got a BG8000 Mike never used it yet but spool is a bit shorter than the techniums but slightly bigger diameter so might not be much difference regards line coming off it.Gonna use it in the rough on Sunday give you a report after that.

 

Norman I think you'll be right about how long the reels will last but for sheer distance if needed how would the BG compare to the R10.

The daiwa BG based on any fishing situation is very capable distance wise, if you're a competent caster using braid no problem what so ever, for sheer out and out distance, then the longer spooled reels would have the edge, but buy a huge margin I don't beleive so.

 

Looked at a r10 today... only in a shop but felt nice, well built for the money and smooth. Any others own one or used one?

 

Ive just got a BG8000 Mike never used it yet but spool is a bit shorter than the techniums but slightly bigger diameter so might not be much difference regards line coming off it.Gonna use it in the rough on Sunday give you a report after that.

Good reels Bri, you copying me!! Definitely cast well due to that big spool, absolutely solid reels.

 

Kept reading good things about em so thought id have one for the rough stuff ,but yes i am copying you Andy

 

The daiwa BG based on any fishing situation is very capable distance wise, if you're a competent caster using braid no problem what so ever, for sheer out and out distance, then the longer spooled reels would have the edge, but buy a huge margin I don't beleive so.

The long spool reels actually suffer from more friction.
Think about it, line is being pulled over other line especially if the line level is dropping.
It's about getting a balance and the Shimano reels take some beating for out and out distance. Big enough and not excessively long, awesome line lay and slow oscillation. The BG is a much stronger reel, ive got mine loaded straight through with 100lb braid and it still casts a pretty decent distance.

 

not too sure about that , if the lines peeling off lip to back theres no friction as such , as it reaches the back of the spool it then has to climb over the line loop before it, so the spool length shouldnt matter , on this note I will say one thing, multi osc line lay will reduce wind knots as it cant pick up line buried under the over wraps of the previous wrap , bit hard to explain tbh , if the line had the same wrap front to back ratio its more likely to pull a loop out from underneath ,hmm , ill get me coat

 

The BG is a great reel in my opinion.Only a big brand like Daiwa could offer that much quality
for the money.Daiwa wanted to break into this segment of the market and compete against
Shimano who had it sewn up.I have never ever seen a reel with the quality of the BG for the
price.And any distance lost against a long spool reel is minimal.And because of the massive
gears,that are the biggest ever put into a fixed spool reel,the winding power is fantastic.
I have the old Akios 100,and it is a load of junk for the money,it should cost max 30 quid
in my opinion.But i expect the BG to rise in price,because a awfull lot of fishermen are
catching on to how good it is.

 

I don't believe long spools suffer from friction. Long spools are tapered to overcome friction from the lip when casting.

 

not too sure about that , if the lines peeling off lip to back theres no friction as such , as it reaches the back of the spool it then has to climb over the line loop before it, so the spool length shouldnt matter , on this note I will say one thing, multi osc line lay will reduce wind knots as it cant pick up line buried under the over wraps of the previous wrap , bit hard to explain tbh , if the line had the same wrap front to back ratio its more likely to pull a loop out from underneath ,hmm , ill get me coat

Here's some of the reels that are used by the argentinians on the field. I wouldn't call these long throw spools. Big and tapered yes.

 

http://www.stripersonline.com/surft...topic/232855-daiwa-tournament-basia-45qd-vs-shimano-aero-technium-mgs-10000xsa/

This makes interesting reading!

 

Youve shown me that piccy before I think,tapered should counteract the line drag , back to front to an extent.one thing that does my head in is when I tape up my backing to form a taper after 50 yds the lines back to parralell on the spool how does that happen , dont make sense to me incidentally the link you added is all about lip dia, if there was a test with two different length tapered spools with the same lip dia it would be in favour of the longer spool

 

I'm not so sure but it would be interesting to test. If the line level drops then friction is on the lip. If the line level remains more constant then it's the coils running over each other that cause friction so swings and roundabouts. Im not a scientist but bigger coils should mean less friction on the reel ? When does a big wide spool become too wide like an alvey, friction is then a factor in the rings as coils are choked.

 

One of the main reasons for the long spool was to increase the spool size and ensure that the line level didn't drop down low which then meant the line had to drag over the top of the lip. Big coils come off the spool with little or no friction when the spool is full because so long as the coils aren't buried they actually lift from the spool ... they don't drag across the line in front of them - its all tied in with having a larger diameter spool. The only time you will get issues with the rest of the line is if the line lay is too close and the coils of line bury themselves in the line beneath them ... that is a negative of the slow oscillation that is becoming popular with manufacturers like Shimano.

 

The idea was taken to extremes by some ... this is an early Mitchell tournament reel.

 

Impressive but did it actually work??

 

I see they have the handle spindle lock like me ,ol 498, agreed on the super slow osc bedding in , the two speed should still stop it but makes you now wonder if fashions overtaking functionality,

 

Fished Amble today in a small open and tried out my bg8000.Nice smooth,strong reel, handled the "cabbage patch" weed beds no bother.Only had a couple of proper chucks due to ground iwas fishing but it seemed to go out ok and ive got 70lb braid straight through,was only fishing 50 yards out most casts.Bit heavier than the Shimanos but you dont notice it once its on the rod.Anyway never managed to christen it-never had a bite fishing the same hole i had 9 fish out of a few weeks ago

 

Yes on the field I believe it did. Its a clumsy way of doing things though .... leader goes on the section at the front. Going back to the 70s there was a lot of fixed spool tinkering going on for field use, not least because most of them tended to be a bit agricultural.

that's pretty amazing it actually worked, I've not used a large fixed spool (apart from the occational chuck of my lads rod) since the early 80's when I learnt how to use a Multi and I've not looked back since, but the only fixed spools I did have where the mitchell 498 and they was 2nd hand in those days

 

So back on topic... anyone else actually used or looked over the Akios R10 please?
Thanks

 

Yes they are complete rubbish.

 

Yes they are complete rubbish.

Well that's told us lol.

 

Great Review :ugh2: lmao
Think i'll stick to Shimano then