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According to Alan Yates in The Concise Encyclopaedia of Fishing 1998 and 2001, there is no such thing as a pier rod, he says they dont exist, that there are only 2 types of sea rod, Beach/Shore rods and Boat rods

If this is the case, why are there so many (non-existent) variants on the market these days, such as uptiders, bass rods, trolling rods etc etc etc

And does it really matter if you troll with a normal boat rod or use spinners with a beachcaster
 

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Just cleaned this up fellas, feel free to discuss the reasons for having different types of rod but any personal comments aimed at Alan Yates will just end up binned so save us both the bother please and try to keep it civil?

Cheers guys. :)
 

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Just cleaned this up fellas, feel free to discuss the reasons for having different types of rod but any personal comments aimed at Alan Yates will just end up binned so save us both the bother please and try to keep it civil?

Cheers guys. :)
Just cleaned it up Rob?....you mean I missed a good bitch-fest? lol.
I suppose the answer to the original question is "Yes" there are only two types of sea fishing rod....yr either fishing from land (whether it be beach,pier, rocks,harbour wall, cliff etc) or a boat...so in essence he is correct. Obviously there are many varients, but essentially I agree :thumbs:
Hopefully no tin-hat required :)
 
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Just cleaned it up Rob?....you mean I missed a good bitch-fest? lol.
I suppose the answer to the original question is "Yes" there are only two types of sea fishing rod....yr either fishing from land (whether it be beach,pier, rocks,harbour wall, cliff etc) or a boat...so in essence he is correct. Obviously there are many varients, but essentially I agree :thumbs:
Hopefully no tin-hat required :)
You did'nt miss anything of consequence,somebody made an unqualied comment about Alan and they were somewhat reprimanded for it,seems as though I got "six of the best" as well.Some peoples find it hard to understand that when a prominent figure from the world of sea angling makes a statement they do so through years of experience and knowledge gained from such experiences,and to then become the reciever of negative comments from those that appear to show no evidence of thier own experience or lack of it,it just wacks me off when "noddies" open the biggest orifice on thier body without engaging the grey matter.
 

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You did'nt miss anything of consequence,somebody made an unqualied comment about Alan and they were somewhat reprimanded for it,seems as though I got "six of the best" as well.Some peoples find it hard to understand that when a prominent figure from the world of sea angling makes a statement they do so through years of experience and knowledge gained from such experiences,and to then become the reciever of negative comments from those that appear to show no evidence of thier own experience or lack of it,it just wacks me off when "noddies" open the biggest orifice on thier body without engaging the grey matter.
Lol Peter...bit of a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned...when yr sea angling...yr either on land....or yr not :thumbs:
Dunno why or how people can confuse the issue. I dont know exactly what Alan said, but essentially he is right....IMO :thumbs:
Or is their a "helicopter" rod that i dont know of? :unsure:
 

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Lol Peter...bit of a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned...when yr sea angling...yr either on land....or yr not :thumbs:
Dunno why or how people can confuse the issue. I dont know exactly what Alan said, but essentially he is right....[
B]IMO [/B]:thumbs:
Or is their a "helicopter" rod that i dont know of? :unsure:
Thats what I was asking

There must be 20 different "TYPES" of rod for specialist angling at sea. Forgetting the individual specs of a rod, would it be true to say that basically a short thick one is for boats and piers and a long whippy one is for the shore

Ie, as long as the blank is strong enough, does it matter if you fish for bass with a beachcaster, spinning rod or a bass rod
 

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Thats what I was asking

There must be 20 different "TYPES" of rod for specialist angling at sea. Forgetting the individual specs of a rod, would it be true to say that basically a short thick one is for boats and piers and a long whippy one is for the shore

Ie, as long as the blank is strong enough, does it matter if you fish for bass with a beachcaster, spinning rod or a bass rod
Yes it would...dont get many 16 FT continental style rods being used on boats....the user wouldnt be too popular, and would be seen as "potential rubby-dubby" :lmao:
 

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Yup there are two types of rod.. one that catches fish and one that catches anglers ;)
Which type do you have Davy?
Just joshing, I know the answer.......but you are right :thumbs:
 

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I have spent years reading the reviews/ advertising features written by Mr Yates on fishing rods, and have to say they have given me many a good laugh.
 

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in essence he may be right,but unfortunately he is in a position where many new to the sport take what he says as gospel,this is untrue,he does make mistakes.personally i can remember when he said flounder were not worth eating,many would disagree with that.true,he can be informative,but read with a good pinch of salt.
 

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Hmm. I've used uptiders off beach and pier and I used to fish with a guy who used an eleven foot beachcaster off the boat.
In my opinion, you use the tackle that suits the circumstances.

And on the subject of Alan Yates, you don't get to write a regular column in the angling press by not knowing what you're talking about.

Stu.
 

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He makes a living from testing and commenting on a rods suitability for the makers given use.The comment seems a little hypercritical, but as always the comment probably has been taken out of context
 

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Sorry if anyone thinks I was caning Mr Yates, I wasn't.

It's just that the comment in the book made me think about the vast array of rod types available, which, to me at least, seem to be nothing more than a marketing ploy by rod manufacturers to fleece as much money from the public as possible

If I have a six or seven foot Boat rod, why would I need to by a similarly sized and spec'd "pier" rod, when the boat rod would be sufficient.

Equally, if I have a 12ft beachcaster, why should I need a specialist "bass" rod or a "spinning" rod.

My aim is to catch fish, not to be a tackle tart.

Correct me if my thought processes are wrong, but if I use say a £50 beachcaster rated at 4-10oz, will I catch fewer fish than If I use a £500 beachcaster with the same rating. Surely, as long as my bait presentation and terminal tackle are correct and I am casting to where the fish are, I have as mauch chance with a £50 rod as a £500 rod

After all, when I was a kid in the 60's, my old man made rods out of garden canes, with paper clip eyes, whipped on with cotton and araldite, carved cork butts and jubilee clips to hold the reel in place, and he caught with them, Just as his dad had taught him to do in the East End during the war, when they fished the Thames and the London canals for their supper. OK they didnt last for years and years, but they worked, and were cheap to replace.

I actually think Alan Yates was on to something with that comment. Sea fishing was always a poor mans pastime, these days it seems that you need to be flush to be taken seriously. To be honest I dont think any amount of money spent on a rod, or reel for that matter, will stop me being a cr*p fisherman. Only experience and perseverance will change that

If I am wrong, please someone explain why
 

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Sorry if anyone thinks I was caning Mr Yates, I wasn't.

It's just that the comment in the book made me think about the vast array of rod types available, which, to me at least, seem to be nothing more than a marketing ploy by rod manufacturers to fleece as much money from the public as possible

If I have a six or seven foot Boat rod, why would I need to by a similarly sized and spec'd "pier" rod, when the boat rod would be sufficient.

Equally, if I have a 12ft beachcaster, why should I need a specialist "bass" rod or a "spinning" rod.

My aim is to catch fish, not to be a tackle tart.

Correct me if my thought processes are wrong, but if I use say a £50 beachcaster rated at 4-10oz, will I catch fewer fish than If I use a £500 beachcaster with the same rating. Surely, as long as my bait presentation and terminal tackle are correct and I am casting to where the fish are, I have as mauch chance with a £50 rod as a £500 rod

After all, when I was a kid in the 60's, my old man made rods out of garden canes, with paper clip eyes, whipped on with cotton and araldite, carved cork butts and jubilee clips to hold the reel in place, and he caught with them, Just as his dad had taught him to do in the East End during the war, when they fished the Thames and the London canals for their supper. OK they didnt last for years and years, but they worked, and were cheap to replace.

I actually think Alan Yates was on to something with that comment. Sea fishing was always a poor mans pastime, these days it seems that you need to be flush to be taken seriously. To be honest I dont think any amount of money spent on a rod, or reel for that matter, will stop me being a cr*p fisherman. Only experience and perseverance will change that

If I am wrong, please someone explain why
In essence, you are quite right. You can buy tackle, but you cannot buy experience or expertise. The vast array of tackle on the market is simply a reflection of the generally higher levels of disposable income these days. Amongst this vast array there are however quite a large number of technological breakthroughs that enable us to fish more efficiently and in more different places for more different species. Which goes some way towards offsetting the decreasing number of fish in the sea. There would be a lot less tackle sold if you could just walk to the water's edge, chuck in handline and pull out a fish.
 

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When I was a lad there were pier rods. These were usually about 10 ft long & were purpose built & marketed as such.
 

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Correct me if my thought processes are wrong, but if I use say a £50 beachcaster rated at 4-10oz, will I catch fewer fish than If I use a £500 beachcaster with the same rating. Surely, as long as my bait presentation and terminal tackle are correct and I am casting to where the fish are, I have as mauch chance with a £50 rod as a £500 rod
You are right, too a degree, but there is a little more to a rod than just the recommended casting weight.

Look at something like a Zziplex, in the right hands, the right rod will put an intact bait over 200yds, your £50 from Generic Budget Manufacturer will not. The same Zziplex/Century/Whatever will sit in the tide well, allowing you to see bites, £50 jobbie will flop over and you'll not see anything.

Now, the various different types of rods. Let's start with bass rods; generally lighter (both in action and weight) than normal beach rods. Why do we need them? Two reasons really, one it's more sporting to use lighter tackle if you can get away with it; two, you try holding a Zziplex ZTI all day and you'll understand. The reduced weight means you can hold it all day nice and comfortably.

There are various other rods you can go for, from mullet rods (for me a 1.5lb test barbel rod) to big rough ground rods for beach and from 6lb class to 130lb (not in this country) for boats. The idea is that there is a rod for every situation and every angler. You don't need them all, but they make your life a little easier if you can justify having a little selection at your disposal. Don't worry about the classification people give rods, just get what you need, no more no less, and you'll be OK.
 
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