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Well we were fishing in Llanelli a while back and i thought we were going river fishing, so considering recently i lost over £600 of gear stolen from my shed and my birthday was coming up i grabbed one of my last rods, and it would be the kingfisher £20 rod haha.
So we made our way down to anglers corner [ local sea fishing specialist] and then i found out my friend had texted me telling me he had a change of mind and we were going sea fishing. But i was in the car with him outside the shop already! damn i should put my phone on loud. So we went in bought some lugworms and headed down the coastal path.
We traveled along the wall and setted up. I was using a little few ounch lead with a simple hook on the end with a little real with 4lbs line. We had doubts we were going to catch so i thought we ok. Little to my surpirse 2 minutes after casting out there it went my rod was flopping around the wall and i striked and a little flat fish on, Was kinda amazed to be catching, and even more amazed to of actually landed it haha.
Anyways cut a long story short in the end i landed 5 flattys i think on this 4lbs line and then towards the end with 50 minutes of no action i had a little tug, i thought it was notthing then ka-bam! there it went the rod started going i brought it in after a long fight on this little rod and brought it up the wall, it was a massive flat fish must of been around 4-5lbs which is very nice for a flounder, and what happened my friend's brother went out to reach it and bam, it snapped off haha anyways went home with 3 eyes missing and a cracked cheap rod.
Morrel of story; James put ur phone on loud next time!
 

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An interesting story! Wonder about a 4-5lb flounder, could it have ben a ray of some sort, otherwise you were almost catching a record fish (currently 5lb 7oz i think)

Don't worry about using fresh water tackle in the sea as long as you wash all the salt off afterwards. Carp, Bream and Barbel are quite phenomenal fish so the tackle's built for them, just don't try hauling your rigs through kelp with the lighter tackle! Using beachcasters and 6oz of lead on heavy line is only one branch of sea fishing. However buy yourself a drop net if you are going to fish a pier or wall and have a long lift!

As far as I can see the 'top flight' tackle is great and if you can afford it then good luck to you. However if your budget is small then choose cheaper tackle from a reputable dealer where you can go back with it, if it breaks under 'normal' fishing. Even if tackle is cheap it still has to do the job it's sold to do! Cheap tackle will not last as long as the top flight! Perhaps this will suit you as you can then change your mind and start the lifelong pastime of collecting tackle!!

Above all don't join the 'best-tackle-snobbery-game' As a fisherman you should judge others on what and how they catch fish, not the tackle they are using! If someone has the best but is one who abuses the shore, (drops litter, destroys habitats etc.) then I would not think much of him. Aspire to the best of behaviour and be proud of your ability to read the shore and try to understand fish! I can't cast 'to the horizon' but I admire those who do it effortlessly and i'm still tring even at my advanced age. However there are many young anglers who think that casting is all that there is. I fish where my ability and tackle allows me to catch fish! Good luck!
 

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As always well said Swelly,

Some of my best catches have been made at short range with cheap spinning rods and reels. Casting is only one tool in an angler’s armoury and is sadly often abused. As for the top flight bit most anglers actually hinder themselves by buying top flight rods aimed at grass casting not fishing, then find they cant bend the thing.

Regards Ryan. :D
 
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Ryan said:
As always well said Swelly,

Some of my best catches have been made at short range with cheap spinning rods and reels. Casting is only one tool in an angler’s armoury and is sadly often abused. As for the top flight bit most anglers actually hinder themselves by buying top flight rods aimed at grass casting not fishing, then find they cant bend the thing.

Regards Ryan. :D
That has always been my thinking, the fish are closer than you think, a lot of people seem to think that the fish are in the next county, when they are less than 10-20 yards out. I have often caught fish at less than 5 yards out!
 

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got to agree with you on the range. all my best fish,(though theres not many) have been caught between 5 and 50 yrds out... and i started on a cheap rod and reel combo, and over the years, slowly improved the quality..... its not what you,ve got, its how you use it....................where have i heard that before...lol :)
 
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yeah, i'd say it was 3-4 lbs sorry i was proberly overestimating. I don't really have a budget but i got some nice rods back now just a few beachcasters and an multiplyer rod which i'm planning on using in the near future. I had only just spent at least £500 on new gear a bit before that day but most of it was course fishing though but it had all got stolen from my shed :(.
 

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Ryan said:
As always well said Swelly,

Some of my best catches have been made at short range with cheap spinning rods and reels. Casting is only one tool in an angler’s armoury and is sadly often abused. As for the top flight bit most anglers actually hinder themselves by buying top flight rods aimed at grass casting not fishing, then find they cant bend the thing.

Regards Ryan. :D
Ryan

I gather from previous posts that you are a casting instructor.

Refreshing to know that you can see the merits of close quarter combat (short range fishing). The last time this was discussed on the forum, someone posted comments calling our casting ability into question. I don't think that you will suffer the same fate. :)

I got my little boy a Kingfisher rod. He has caught fish with it and he's happy, although I forsee the time when he'll be asking for a Zippy for Xmas!
 

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Rob,

I am a casting instructor however I am not conditioned into always blasting baits out to the horizon. I am an angler first not a caster who goes fishing, I enjoy my angling and go to catch fish. If that means casting 20yds that’s where I cast, being able to put a bait out a good distance does help sometimes as a good caster can always drop short however if the fish are 130yds out and you can only get 80yds no fish. :eek:

Another enjoyable bit about close quarter angling is the ability to fish with lighter gear, I love my long range gear however dragging in a double shot of small whiting attached to a 6oz lead and a powerful rod isn’t much fun. :eek: The same size whiting on a 2oz spinning rod and braid however is a different matter, still only whiting but at least they bent my rod. :D

Regards as always Ryan.
 

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i use my carp rod for feathering and mullet fishing and it give the best fite ihave ever had in the sea so course tackle is effective!!

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My wife and I sometimes fish from a Canadian Canoe, when we do we use cheap (£7) telescopic 7' 10-30 oz spinning rods. Believe me you can cast a small Dexter plenty far enough with them and landing a 1lb+ mackerel 2 up in a canoe makes real sport!

The convenience of telescopic in a canoe goes without saying and I have yet to find anything better for this particular aspect of our fishing. The rods are on their second season now. I only hope that when I do finally retire them I can find replacements. Cheap gear aint all bad!

As a kid, cheap gear was all I could afford and got me interested in fishing in the first place. Now that I can afford better gear, it goes to show that sometimes cheap is still best.
 

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As I said in an earlier post I tend to buy what I can reasonable afford. However I was looking for the mythical 'all rounder' when I read about Shambrook's Rubber Shark. It really is a grand tool. It will cast 6oz with ease BUT will also allow me to spin with a 2oz lure and, of course all the things in between. I wish I could use it's casting ability to the full (the testers got close to 200yds, with 150 being commonplace) It may well be that if I persevere I can achieve the 100yds I get on a field but with bait and flying hooks I usually touch 80 which does in 90% of the places I fish.

BUT... I can't use it in the same way I can my three, cheap carp rods. The recent buy (£20) of a 2.75lb TC carp rod is the best I've got for dead/livebaiting. Yes I can use my Daiwa Bass rod or the Shark, but not as well or get as much fun as the cheaper Chinese one!! I mentioned my other 'fresh water' (whatever that means!) rods. Two were bought in an out-and-out sea fishing tackle shop (Malcom's Anglesey bait Co. - where else at his prices!) The Feeder rod did come from 'inland' but in a sale! (See all those tales about mean Scotspeople were put about by lads from Anglesey!)

No it is horses for courses and not all the fish in the sea belong on the front page of fishing magazines! Most are their diminuative cousins, so why not fish DELIBERATELY for them. More logical and actually satisfies my hunting instinct which is not that far beneath my old but 'civilized' skin (not a pretty sight!)
 
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