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This would be the first step to getting the anti angling lobby off our backs, they try and lump us in with fox hunting, which I know many anglers do not support.

We cannot hope to win any political battle when some people are prepared to use very fine lines, hooks etc to catch fish for money, as the americans would say "its a no brainer"

And despite our own propoganda we all surely know that the vast majority of fish caught in matches end up dead.
 

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so u think thats the answer do u have u never heard of catch and release.how can u say most of the catch ends up dead when u have the trawlers raping our seas. another point is we dont have any more world championships. in this
country have u thought of the financial loss ,to alot of people conected to the sport would inccur i think u should think about what u are saying first.
 

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I have heard of catch and release, its a pity a lot of clubs dont practice it, I have seen buckets of dead small fish at a regular sunday match in south wales.

I agrre with you trawlers are the problem but we need to get our own house in order, we cant continue to have a go at trawling when many sea fisherman treat their catch so badly.
 

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its down to education then the match officials need education as well as some anglers.i did alot of coarse match fishing and found 99% were well organised comps with conservation in mind. i my self now i am beach fishing release all my catch hopfully to fight another day.
 

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Personally I don't fish in matches now because it involves the unnecessary killing of fish simply to claim prizes. I don't feel the need to kill fish for money/kudos, I don't feel the need to catch more/bigger fish than others to enjoy my sport - quite the opposite.

However, match angling is a great place for anglers to learn, to become better anglers and to socialise. Catch and release is a step forward, but there are always going to be some fish killed in the name of competition. The impact of match angling is non-existent compared to commercial waste (discards, ruined habitat etc) but unfortunately it is visible to the general public.

I don't see a need to ban competitions - after all it comes down to individual choice/conscience as to whether or not we fish competitions. If you don't like them, don't fish them. Simple.

This is an area where we have to accept that different anglers have different points of view, and that we all get different kicks out of our fishing experience, but at the end of the day we are all on the same side.

If fish stocks had not been decimated by commerical greed then the killing of a few fish by recreational or match anglers would not be an issue. Lets not forget that we are all on the same side, and not get drawn into bickering amongst ourselves.
 

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Like Bluebeard I have seen lots of "returned dead or dying" (mainly flounders) at some of these matches, especially the ones with the big cash prizes on the Loughor Estuary.
It could be avoided with more thought from the host clubs, most fatalities come from deep hooking, & anglers being keen to get the bait back in the water to improve their chances, consequently the hook gets ripped out if its not a "weigher".
If ALL fish had to be removed by a steward, (on pain of disqualification) & that steward was shown how to remove a deep hook, (with a 99% chance of the fish being returned alive), that would reduce the "bi product" of so many little corpses floating down on the ebb.
I can remove the hook from a deeply hooked fish, with an excellent chance of that fish being returned unharmed, its all about education, & presenting our best face to the watching public, even if we occasionally get a slap on it!
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hi drew. if all matches were run on a measuring basis irrespective of size and each fish had to be measured and recorded by a steward he could then ensure the fish was returned safely this would be one way round the problem the matches won on total length of fish, this is done in places , I think it should be universal.
 

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If fish must be retained perhaps the rule should be that only large hooks are used! This would cut out most undersized and also the possibility of deep hooking in undersized fish.

More difficult? I thought that was the object of the exercise? Probably not realistic? Only KEEN match anglers are qualified to hold opinions? That leaves me out then!

Mind you I read the following results of a sea fishing competition fished on the East Coast a couple of weeks ago. Must have had interesting rules:
Winner: 4 and half oz
Second: 4ozs

No one else weighed in! Must have used VERY SMALL hooks!

Suppose if only large hooks were used the organisers would have egg on face and full pockets!
 

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The whole idea of measure and release and fish points systems is that no fish needs to be retained for competition purposes, We need to get away from fish being kept for weighing in as the anti's will have a field day with us, we don't need to give them any more ammo,
 

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there could be another way of doing it.

it is different but possible. in some matches run, they use a lenth to weight ratio, and can be run without size limits, exept for a clubs local limit,say 10 or 15 cm, which mean all fish count and that the fish are not wasted.

i much approove of catch and release, and think it is the way forward.

1 more point.

around my area there has benn alot of charity and memorial matches. if one was to ban match angling, then is that fair to the charitys?
and how would it be policed. most people wont know if there is a macth being run on a busy day on a pormanade

any way thats my view
 

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This is a very good post and some brilliant points, I see so many matches where the anglers are using what I call "coarse tackle" to fish matches so they can catch small fish for the numbers on there points score, to me this is wrong as a proper match used to be Biggest fish wins, now the little ones get targeted and dont grow to be big fish,
I am a sea fishing coach and love my job all my fishing days are catch and release,so I dont like to say but I am ashamed of some of the major fishing bodies for letting this happen they could stop the points matches completely.
Just my view no offence meant
 

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yes but wheres the skill of catching just one big(ish) fish by blasting out a big bait 50 yards using 4/0 5/0 and 6/0 hooks, and leaving it for half and hour?

there is none, and the numbers of big fish has declined.

the points system that has been introduced, has made match angling a more competitive, challanging sport, making people think about what they are doing, making them better anglers because they are able to think about the situation and adapt to it easier. anglers have to thikn about the tackle they use that bit more, enabling the smaller species, which was specificly targeted, to win them the match instead of the one big fish you had in 4/5 hours of fishing

not only that, the catch and relese system also means more of our fish are returned alive.

if its big fish you want, i sugesst you dont fish any matches in the North wales/mersey area as the majority of open matches are run catch and release

thats my view anyway. catch and release is a change for the better
 

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Catch And Release Is The Way Forward I Agree And So Do The Two Sea Fishing Puplications So Why Do They Show Photos Of Peoples Catches In There Gardens Not A Very Good Way To Promote Catch And Release Is It?
 

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I only use catch and release myself, I do not support any other way, my answer was to an earlier thread in which it was asked how could we stop the killing of so many fish and my answer was what you read, I know how matches are fished up here I coach fishing up here in north wales and i,m afraid to say you watch how many dead fish are floating around afterwards due to misshandling etc if people dont think of a way to cut it down big time we will be banned from doing it........So I know I would rather sit with a 4/0 to 6/0 take a risk of not catching anything than be told all matches are banned because that is what will happen, read the posts on activists who are going to target fishing that would be amunition for them big time.
 
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