Will be attending ! unfortunately pitchforks and burning torches not allowed, also not allowed to to kick George Useless smug ass ! peaceful protest only ! this is going to be bigger than Trevithick Day !!!

 

I'm heading down from Bristol with a few others.

 

http://www.ukbass.com/a-demonstation-against-unfair-and-insuficient-bass-regulations/

A Demonstration Against Unfair And Insufficient Bass Regulations

New bass regulations fail to properly protect the bass stocks, prevent anglers from keeping any bass they catch for 6 months a year, yet allow commercial gill netters to continue to catch bass AND with an increased monthly limit.

If you want to express your anger and demand a fair deal for bass and anglers, then the demonstration on the 9th April in Camborne is the place to be. The protest is aimed at the DEFRA minister responsible for our fisheries; the person who claimed the deal he helped secure (which ignored the scientific advice on necessary bass landing reductions) was a great deal for commercial fishermen – he wasn’t wrong!

We meet at Rosewarne car park Camborne (TR14 8BE) at 10 am and march to local constituency office of George Eustice MP, the Fisheries Minister. The media will be there. Wearing you fishing attire and bringing rods is encouraged to add impact – but is far from essential. Banners will also help (but messages contained on them should be polite!) Suggestions for placards include: “A FAIR deal for Bass and Anglers”; “Priority for hook and line fishing”; “Bass are a PUBLIC resource” etc.

Have the UKs Bass anglers not suffered enough due to the actions of AT/BASS without them poking the marine management bear even further?

If you feel the stock is on the brink, facing disaster bla bla bla.....stop sticking hooks into them for fun, simples.

 

Have the UKs Bass anglers not suffered enough due to the actions of AT/BASS without them poking the marine management bear even further?

If you feel the stock is on the brink, facing disaster bla bla bla.....stop sticking hooks into them for fun, simples.

Yes it does seem a bit of a mash up demonstrating against insufficient bass regulations and wanting anglers to keep bass.

All in all too late and the harm has been done by you know who!

 

To be clear, this protest was solely and independently organised by the Cornish Federation of Sea Anglers - organisations such as BASS and AT have just picked up on it and are trying to help spread the word. Your choice whether you do nothing as all is fine and fair or whether you feel that uk and EU politicians ignoring the science while imposing regs that are disproportune on anglers is fair, and thus protest to express your displeasure.

Some if the lurking commercials here would be more than happy to see pressure for more regs on commercials in the future lessen. If you feel no bass 6/12 and 1 fish for the rest of the year for anglers is outrageous then I might just see you there!

 

Some if the lurking commercials here would be more than happy to see pressure for more regs on commercials in the future lessen. If you feel no bass 6/12 and 1 fish for the rest of the year for anglers is outrageous then I might just see you there!

I am a commercial lobster fisherman, I don't fish for any species of fish commercially, nor do the majority of the commercial fishermen who are also anglers that post on here. What we bring to the party is a lot of experience in day to day dealing with the vagaries of marine management. The current bass regulations are an EU measure not a UK one, member states can have stricter rules than EU ones but not lesser rules. The UK cannot allow anglers to retain bass during the 6 month season where the EU says they can't retain any and the UK cannot allow anglers to retain more than 1 bass per day during the 6 month period where the EU says they can't retain any. A protest is more likely to lead to stricter regulations not less strict.

 

Unfortunately for anglers , the plain truth is that governments will protect jobs first , anglers will always come second to commercial interests , you only had to look at the ' bass debate ' a while back in parliament , about 15 MP's and half of those looked asleep !
And before anyone harps on about the value of anglers to the economy , the truth is we go fishing for a hobby and wont stop going if some forms of angling get restricted .

 

Unfortunately for anglers , the plain truth is that governments will protect jobs first , anglers will always come second to commercial interests , you only had to look at the ' bass debate ' a while back in parliament , about 15 MP's and half of those looked asleep !
And before anyone harps on about the value of anglers to the economy , the truth is we go fishing for a hobby and wont stop going if some forms of angling get restricted .

I think the 10,000 jobs derived from RSA businesses would have a different view on it. If our Government really wanted to protect jobs then the only option is to cater for the much larger sea angling stakeholder group as well.

 

I think the 10,000 jobs derived from RSA businesses would have a different view on it. If our Government really wanted to protect jobs then the only option is to cater for the much larger sea angling stakeholder group as well.

I would love to agree with you Reg , but in all honesty you and I and the UK's anglers will still go fishing regardless of restrictions , we go because we love it , we wont stop and flog all our tackle and pick up golf clubs !

 

True, but our sport will be pretty screwed when we search for our bait diggers, tackle shops, online sites, charter skippers only to find them all out of business.

 

I wish you had my belief too.....................along with a few hundred thousand other sea anglers.

In the real world Dutchmaan!

In the real world sea anglers want to see changes to benefit their sport, they want to see protection from overfishing by commercial fishermen on fin fish that are important to the RSA experience. They want improvements to the image of sea angling as a sport, pastime and they want respect and understanding from those who accuse us of wrong doing, while they defend a corrupt fishing industry where big players run fear through the mindset of marine management agencies.

In the real world Dutchmaan, most cannot be bothered to stand as one to make sure that happens. Most of those on angling forums expect and demand the AT does it all for them without contributing anything to the fight other than all the answers because they know everything. This thread is about the a local bass march to make our NATIONAL VOICE heard, they are hoping for 200 anglers to turn up. There may well be a march later in the year to Westminster where we will need 200,000 anglers turning up to make a difference.

How many do you think we could gather for that one?

 

I have said it before and I will say it again Reg, you desperately need to study, digest and make sure you fully understand EU Marine Legislation.

 

I have said it before and I will say it again Reg, you desperately need to study, digest and make sure you fully understand EU Marine Legislation.

Feel free to say it thousand times if it makes you feel all important, anglers on here know exactly what you are like and your motives behind your mockery of anglers.

Seems you are growing a very long list, one wonders how many angling orgs/clubs are left to be added to your hit list.

SAD

The pair of you have been round in circles multiple times on this and similar discussions, sometimes to the exclusion of others. You've both had chance to have your say. Can we now, irrespective of any difference it may or may not make, get back to the proposed demo.

 

You were politely asked to give it a rest by a mod on WSF, if you wish to continue talking b........ go and do it on your very own anti angling forum so anglers don't have to listen to you mocking them.

Errrrrr it wasn't just Stevie who was asked to give it a rest.

 

Glad to see that RSA didn't waste their time listening to the scare-mongering of the commercials here on WSF who desperately try to divide and conquer RSA on the bass issue. 150+ RSA turned up today to campaign, with about 30% travelling from outside Cornwall.

Following the demo, George Eustice posted on his Facebook page: " the compromise deal last year could be revisited and improved later this year at December council."

He is clearly feeling the pressure as RSA get more militant over bass and we will now attempt to use this to extract specific commitments e.g. RSA not being discriminated against in favour of commercials.

Many thanks to everyone who took part and to the many who couldn't attend but sent us messages of support.

 

Ermmmm...Georgey Boy posted that BEFORE the demo as you well know. That was part of his statement at the back end of last year! There was also only 120 people there yesterday. That is the official figure being banded around by local members, if that looking at the photos. To be honest, I've seen a bigger turn out at my local pub for a dart match. It really don't help to keep boosting these figures and quotes to suit the agenda.
120 people out the so called 330,000 Bass anglers and a million sea anglers (The AT and BASS figures, not mine by the way) Where was the rest of these people? I can only assume they are happy with what they have.

 

Glad to see that RSA didn't waste their time listening to the scare-mongering of the commercials here on WSF who desperately try to divide and conquer RSA on the bass issue. 150+ RSA turned up today to campaign, with about 30% travelling from outside Cornwall.

Following the demo, George Eustice posted on his Facebook page: " the compromise deal last year could be revisited and improved later this year at December council."

He is clearly feeling the pressure as RSA get more militant over bass and we will now attempt to use this to extract specific commitments e.g. RSA not being discriminated against in favour of commercials.

Many thanks to everyone who took part and to the many who couldn't attend but sent us messages of support.

I am a bit lost here Bigyellow.....on the one hand you want the Minister to lobby the EU to try to lessen restrictions imposed to save Bass in the ICES areas affected, while at the same time you yourself are one of the leaders of this BASS campaign -

SAVE OUR SEA BASS

Campaign to reduce sea bass landings by 90%

The destruction of the Sea Bass population is an “unfolding environmental disaster”.


With your crucial support, the EU Commission has been able to persuade the EU Member States to accept a number of emergency measures in 2015, but the dire state of the stock means that more cuts in landings are still needed and so we need your help to keep the pressure on.

http://www.saveourseabass.org/en/home/


You don't have to be a rocket scientist to acknowledge that the two positions above are completely incompatible, how do you see the two fitting together?

Ps...I am a commercial fisher but my only interest in Bass is as a recreational Bass angler.

 

Great to see so many of you in Cornwall today for a local demonstration. I've had a long drive and it's late so not inclination to post a detailed report. However a flavour of the demo is contained in this blog:

http://www.ukbass.com/bass-anglers-march-in-cornwall-but-the-minister-has-left-town/

 

Well done for joining the demo Wiggly, great effort.

 

Well done to all that atended, unable to attend , due to work comitments , anyhow i hope that it has helped make pulic how unfair the ban/restrictions are, we all realise that stocks need protecting , but to isolate, one section of the fishing fraternity, the RSA, it has to be a joint effort by all, not allow some others to carry on fishing with even no reductions, some increases to quotas even, i try and understand , and i do realise that comercial fishermen, netting and rod and line, have the right to make a living, and compensation could have been paid even to help them through the period of any ban , but as previosly said , it has to be a joint effort by all, just this week at a Marina i heard a Rod and Line comercial say on his depature for the day ,just off out for a couple of boxes of Bass , i dont even take half a box in twelve months lol , bitter, angry, disapointed, unfair, all of these come to mind , all i can think is we the RSA have been used as SCAPEGOATS

 

Following the demo, George Eustice posted on his Facebook page: " the compromise deal last year could be revisited and improved later this year at December council."

Are the present regulation and restrictions for the year 2016 and unless reissued for 2017, we revert to the previous regs? So come December they will be revisiting the issue anyway or letting it drop.

 

2 independent counts put it around 150. This was a local march in Cornwall not a national event arranged over 3 weeks by one org CFSA. It generated TV news and newspaper and radio articles amongst other things.

This is more than about the (IMO impressive ) numbers - Sea anglers just don't march and protest... Well not until now.

Off thread slightly but in reply to another post: It's not likely in the slightest we will revert to previous regs after 2016. The more anglers press for proper and fair regs the better IMO. Then recovery of stock rather than getting the decline might stand a chance of happening AND what regs that are imposed will not screw the group who account for officially 1/4 ( though undoubted less) of the catch, contribute more economically than commercials and are the most selective.

 

George Eustice now knows that if he discriminates against RSA he risks hostile debates in the House of Commons, public demos and lots of unwelcome attention from the media.

We are making sure the EU Commission is aware of the protest and this will make it harder for George Eustice and his French equivalent to water-down future EU Commission bass conservation proposals.

So well done again to everyone who has done their bit in this protest.

 

George Eustice now knows that if he discriminates against RSA he risks hostile debates in the House of Commons, public demos and lots of unwelcome attention from the media.

t.

That does come across as a bit delude , in the whole scheme of things do you think the media really care about a few poxy bass. The media and the House of Commons have more important things to worry about.

Oh and BTW there are bigger and better organized demos around Westminster over bigger issues, guess what no media coverage........ Unless it kicks off.

 

George Eustice now knows that if he discriminates against RSA he risks hostile debates in the House of Commons, public demos and lots of unwelcome attention from the media.

We are making sure the EU Commission is aware of the protest and this will make it harder for George Eustice and his French equivalent to water-down future EU Commission bass conservation proposals.

So well done again to everyone who has done their bit in this protest.

Yep......He must be terrified! After all, you lot have done a sterling job in scareing him in to submission for the good of angling up until now.
pmsl!!!

 

Why is it that people seem to think bass fishing will be the death of the RSA industry.There are other fish out in the sea not everyone is just after bass people go wreck , bream fishing on the charter boats and people will still want bait and new tackle. whilst I do not agree with the bass regs there are other fish available.

So when the commercial's have wiped out the bass what do you think they will target then your bream.
Fished in Cornwall 45years and the decline in fish stocks has been dramatic ,some species have just disappeared to name a few small eyed ray , Pollack ,plaice, red bream , flounders, turbot, mullet.
No fish is safe from gill nets and if action is not taken soon there will no fish left
for anyone and that's a fact.
USELESS is totally out of touch how can he say gill netting is LOW IMPACT.
These nets catch everything bird , dolphins , porpoises, seals and every fish that swims.

 

the cfsa record fish list would tend to disagree with that, considering how many records have been broken in recent years.
cheers rab

 

Why is it that people seem to think bass fishing will be the death of the RSA industry.There are other fish out in the sea not everyone is just after bass people go wreck , bream fishing on the charter boats and people will still want bait and new tackle. whilst I do not agree with the bass regs there are other fish available.

Because what will happen with Bass will have a knock on effect with all other commercially viable stocks.

This is about commercial interests claiming our public fishery resources as commercial stock and if we don't fight it they will win.

That's why we need to make our voices heard now and in future marches later.

 

Because what will happen with Bass will have a knock on effect with all other commercially viable stocks.

This is about commercial interests claiming our public fishery resources as commercial stock and if we don't fight it they will win.

That's why we need to make our voices heard now and in future marches later.

Correct me if I am wrong Reg, do you not have that a bit back to front - have BASS (and now AT as well) not been claiming the Common EU resource that is the Bass stock around our shores - as a recreational stock pretty much since they were formed?

Until BASS and the AT started their campaign that has directly led to draconian restrictions on all stakeholders.....I am unaware of many, if any, commercials who seriously cared how many fish Bass anglers caught let alone try to claim the stock for themselves, so hats off to the BASS/AT team, that is one achievement they can definitely take credit for, a classic example of alienation.

 

TBH I dont see the point in these marches, never been a 'peaceful demo' yet that has made a government in this country change policy. Nice to see people exercising there right to demonstrate though fair play to them.

 

off thread slightly but in reply to another post: It's not likely in the slightest we will revert to previous regs after 2016. The more anglers press for proper and fair regs the better IMO. Then recovery of stock rather than getting the decline might stand a chance of happening AND what regs that are imposed will not screw the group who account for officially 1/4 ( though undoubted less) of the catch, contribute more economically than commercials and are the most selective.

Anglers actually got off very lightly in the current regs.

If the EU had taken BASS & the AT to their word regarding their (ongoing) demands for a 90% cut in Bass take - you would not have been fishing for Bass or fishing anywhere Bass were likely to be encountered full stop - the EU Commission would have had no choice but to impose their initial thoughts of a fishing ban rather than relax this to C&R for the first 6 months of the year and an incredibly generous 1 fish per day for the next 6 months.

 

You were politely asked to give it a rest by a mod on WSF, if you wish to continue talking b........ go and do it on your very own anti angling forum so anglers don't have to listen to you mocking them.

It would be very sad if reality was stifled to promote fantasy on any forum Reg, I make no apologies for bringing reality to the debate no matter how unpalatable you or anyone else may find it.

If truth and reality trouble you so then that is an issue for you to deal with and nobody else.

Keep it on topic and you should be fine, it is respectful to the forum. I am sure the mods would be happy if you dropped the personals and kept it on topic and real.

 

Nice try .....................................no comment

 

Very simple question for anyone, you, Bigyellow or whomever -

How do you achieve the 90% cut in Bass take that BASS are campaigning for without UK Bass anglers being restricted far more than they already are?

 

Mr Girgan we all know the numbers are not achievable, the point is the commercial gill net sector have not taken a hit, indeed they have been granted a concession by way of increased quota.

That in a nut shell is seen by the angling sector as unfair, unjust and discriminatory.

What did their quota used to be before all this kicked off and what is their quota now Bob?

The truth is anglers simply want the stock to recover and should that require a full moratorium so be it,

I don't see too many anglers backing a complete ban on Bass fishing, more the opposite......many were (rightly imho) up in arms at what was in reality a very lucky escape from what their representatives were asking for in real terms.

even though again we all know this stock problem is all down to the commercial effort which takes place in waters far beyond the reach of the average angler.

I think we are both adult enough to appreciate that is very distant from the reality of the situation.