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During the last couple of days I have been asked about better fixings for the marine industry. Particularly to get rid of the horrible stains which can be seen even when 316 marine grade stainless has been used.

What is happening is people are now buying poor quality fixings (without Knowing it of course), this is not the metal composition where the problem exists but in the actual machining tolerance. What does and frequently happen is as these fixings are screwed together they Gall and this removes the protective layer from them and leaves them venerable to attack, Hence the horrible stains that can be seen.

How many people on here have screwed a stainless steel fixing together and been unable to remove it and it has sheared, also just look at the cut of the threads and see how rough it is and not finished well at all?

What can be done to correct this, we actually buy better quality fixings and we can also up the grade of fixings, these will of course be 3 times more expensive but if you think about it how much does a boat actually take in fixings? so if you buy all your fixings for £50 then £150 and you shouldn't ever see a stain again.

The next grade up from 316 Is 317 which has an increased Molybdenum content which aids in Pitting corrosion and in sea water conditions. then again we can up the grade again to a duplex Stainless steel (UNS 31803) and again this has an even higher Molybdenum content and serves even better. Both these grades compare on price and both would be about 3 times more expensive than standard 316 fixings. Please note prices are not taken from cheap Ebay prices which are in the fixings world the dregs of the earth. Even better grades can be purchased but the costs will rocket!

There is a company in the UK which supplies these has a great website and will do small quantities.

Special Fasteners | Non Standard Fasteners | Fastener Manufacturer

I hope this helps anyone doing a boat up.

Cheers

ETEC
 

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Hi ETEC, Thanks for the info and link, you seem to know your peanuts!, you wouldn't know of any supplier that sell 30mm rail clamps 316-SS by any chance?, Thanks

like this clamp but 30mm
Buy Cable Clips & Clamps RS 316 Stainless Steel Saddle Clamp, 25mm Bundle Diameter, 56 x 19.3 x 19.5mm RS UK P25 online from RS for next day delivery.
You can get these sorts of things then add a space piece which shouldn't be too hard to get made but its 304 which isn't the best but if it is no where near the waterline should be ok but protect the threads and anything which can get the passivation damaged and it should be ok. But 316 would be better and you could possibly get one made, 20tac has some friends and there work is top class possibly they could make you what you need?

Saddle Clamp + Plate 30 mm Inside Diam (20 mm NB) Non-Gripping T304 Stainless Steel - Light Duty 1222/T304/020+B

Or contact Graphskill in the link supplied and they may be able to help.

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During the last couple of days I have been asked about better fixings for the marine industry. Particularly to get rid of the horrible stains which can be seen even when 316 marine grade stainless has been used.

What is happening is people are now buying poor quality fixings (without Knowing it of course), this is not the metal composition where the problem exists but in the actual machining tolerance. What does and frequently happen is as these fixings are screwed together they Gall and this removes the protective layer from them and leaves them venerable to attack, Hence the horrible stains that can be seen.

How many people on here have screwed a stainless steel fixing together and been unable to remove it and it has sheared, also just look at the cut of the threads and see how rough it is and not finished well at all?

What can be done to correct this, we actually buy better quality fixings and we can also up the grade of fixings, these will of course be 3 times more expensive but if you think about it how much does a boat actually take in fixings? so if you buy all your fixings for £50 then £150 and you shouldn't ever see a stain again.

The next grade up from 316 Is 317 which has an increased Molybdenum content which aids in Pitting corrosion and in sea water conditions. then again we can up the grade again to a duplex Stainless steel (UNS 31803) and again this has an even higher Molybdenum content and serves even better. Both these grades compare on price and both would be about 3 times more expensive than standard 316 fixings. Please note prices are not taken from cheap Ebay prices which are in the fixings world the dregs of the earth. Even better grades can be purchased but the costs will rocket!

There is a company in the UK which supplies these has a great website and will do small quantities.

Special Fasteners | Non Standard Fasteners | Fastener Manufacturer

I hope this helps anyone doing a boat up.

Cheers

ETEC
Are you planning to do a full upgrade to the dodgy bits on the jeanneau then Sean?

How about sourcing all the bits and selling an upgrade kit?
 

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During the last couple of days I have been asked about better fixings for the marine industry. Particularly to get rid of the horrible stains which can be seen even when 316 marine grade stainless has been used.

What is happening is people are now buying poor quality fixings (without Knowing it of course), this is not the metal composition where the problem exists but in the actual machining tolerance. What does and frequently happen is as these fixings are screwed together they Gall and this removes the protective layer from them and leaves them venerable to attack, Hence the horrible stains that can be seen.

How many people on here have screwed a stainless steel fixing together and been unable to remove it and it has sheared, also just look at the cut of the threads and see how rough it is and not finished well at all?

What can be done to correct this, we actually buy better quality fixings and we can also up the grade of fixings, these will of course be 3 times more expensive but if you think about it how much does a boat actually take in fixings? so if you buy all your fixings for £50 then £150 and you shouldn't ever see a stain again.

The next grade up from 316 Is 317 which has an increased Molybdenum content which aids in Pitting corrosion and in sea water conditions. then again we can up the grade again to a duplex Stainless steel (UNS 31803) and again this has an even higher Molybdenum content and serves even better. Both these grades compare on price and both would be about 3 times more expensive than standard 316 fixings. Please note prices are not taken from cheap Ebay prices which are in the fixings world the dregs of the earth. Even better grades can be purchased but the costs will rocket!

There is a company in the UK which supplies these has a great website and will do small quantities.

Special Fasteners | Non Standard Fasteners | Fastener Manufacturer

I hope this helps anyone doing a boat up.

Cheers

ETEC
Perhaps you could forward your comments to Jeanneau?
 

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There is a company in the UK which supplies these has a great website and will do small quantities.

Special Fasteners | Non Standard Fasteners | Fastener Manufacturer

I hope this helps anyone doing a boat up.

Cheers

ETEC
Many thanks for the recommendation ETEC, we are at hand to manufacture any requirement in super anti-corrosive materials, from a single 1off through to 10 pcs, 100 pcs or whatever is required. With over 40 years experience servicing Deep Sea Engineering sectors we are proud to service everyone from Major Blue Chip Rig Installers and Shipbuilders through to Private Chandlers and boat owners.

Here's a link to our Shipbuilding page, for your convenience, you can also access our 24 Hour LIVE CHAT online support facility from there.
Fasteners for Ship Building

Best wishes
 
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