They are not insured if they take money. All licences etc must be on display.

 

Pestguard you cannot get public liability insurance without your vessel being under the cod of practice most insurance companys insists on a copy of your personal licence and the boats licence before any public liability insurance is issued pirate boats are not insured for public liability which take fare paying passengers.

regards

paul.

www.sea-otter2.co.uk

 

Pestguard you cannot get public liability insurance without your vessel being under the cod of practice most insurance companys insists on a copy of your personal licence and the boats licence before any public liability insurance is issued pirate boats are not insured for public liability which take fare paying passengers.

regards

paul.

www.sea-otter2.co.uk

All boat Insurance carry public Liability! The norm these days is £3 million.Public liability has nothing to do with fare paying passengers.Public liability covers anyone on your vessel or in case you say,ran down a swimmer for instance.

 

Thanks everyone for keeping me right.

 

All boat Insurance carry public Liability! The norm these days is £3 million.Public liability has nothing to do with fare paying passengers.Public liability covers anyone on your vessel or in case you say,ran down a swimmer for instance.

Sorry pestsguard what i meant was if you we takeing fare paying passengers and wanted insurance you would not be issued with a certificate without producing the relevent documents, the silly thing is under the code of practice with the MSA it is not mandatory to have public liability insurance which to me is crazy.
You can get third partry insurance if you wish boats that are moored in whitby harbour can actuallly get third party insurance of scarborough council as they insist on this incase your boats breaks loose from its moorings for instance.
The company i have dealt with over the years have allaways insisted on on seeing my personal licence and the the boats msa certificate before issueing any insurance certificate and rightly so the thing to remember if it is proven you were paying for your fishing trip and the boat had no licence then your insurance becomes void.

regards

paul.

 

Sorry pestsguard what i meant was if you we takeing fare paying passengers and wanted insurance you would not be issued with a certificate without producing the relevent documents, the silly thing is under the code of practice with the MSA it is not mandatory to have public liability insurance which to me is crazy.
You can get third partry insurance if you wish boats that are moored in whitby harbour can actuallly get third party insurance of scarborough council as they insist on this incase your boats breaks loose from its moorings for instance.
The company i have dealt with over the years have allaways insisted on on seeing my personal licence and the the boats msa certificate before issueing any insurance certificate and rightly so the thing to remember if it is proven you were paying for your fishing trip and the boat had no licence then your insurance becomes void.

regards

paul.

Many thanks Paul

 

What is the situation if a group of lads go out on a boat that belongs to one of them and they chip in for fuel etc? Surely that is not classified as hire & reward?

 

So long as everyone is chipping in to the running costs and no profit is made then I see no problem with it.

 

So long as everyone is chipping in to the running costs and no profit is made then I see no problem with it.

Actually Tom it is Illegal too believe it or not....Just best not too say anything and if anyone ask's just say the bloke who's boat it is likes to takes his friends and takes no money from them......Bloody country has gone mad,Im sick of the lot of it :uhuh:

 

Actually Tom it is Illegal too believe it or not....Just best not too say anything and if anyone ask's just say the bloke who's boat it is likes to takes his friends and takes no money from them......Bloody country has gone mad,Im sick of the lot of it :uhuh:

Mad isn't it.

You'd be nuts to expect to out onsomeone's boat without chipping in to cover costs.

 

Actually Tom it is Illegal too believe it or not

Yup sadly Ron is correct :uhuh: :uhuh:

 

Would it be illegal if you were paying for fishing tuition from the boat owner?

 

Hiya,

Would it be illegal if you were paying for fishing tuition from the boat owner?

I wouldn't like to say as I don't know for sure, I suppose it would be the same if you "hired" the fishing gear out, or split the cost of the bait.

Thankfully I don't have high running costs, around 5 gallon for a normal weekends fishing so it's never been an issue I have looked at in that sense as most people know my boat runs on Maynard's Sports mixtures or wine gums anyway

 

If you really want laugh take a look at the MCA website regarding a Charter Skippers ticket....Then go to the RYA website and see what they say as they run it for the MCA..Both contradicte each other as to what is and isnt acceptable.I want to get my ticket back.So far I have been at it for 3 weeks and still confused...So is the RYA!...I have the paper work as to what is needed from the MCA,Brand new,upto date info......The RYA say it isnt right what the MCA say!...I will carry on digging next week!...Watch this space

 

Would it be illegal if you were paying for fishing tuition from the boat owner?

The boat would have to be coded...And the Skipper would need a ticket for commercial use!

 

With the average wrecking trip on mine costing anything from £75-120 in fuel I only wish mine ran on wine gums. I only take out friends, most of whom I met on here but only a couple of times have I not had a contribution towards the fuel / tuition costs / tackle hire etc.

 

The boat would have to be coded...And the Skipper would need a ticket for commercial use!

Thanks Ron, I though that might well be the case

 

With the average wrecking trip on mine costing anything from £75-120 in fuel I only wish mine ran on wine gums. I only take out friends, most of whom I met on here but only a couple of times have I not had a contribution towards the fuel / tuition costs / tackle hire etc.

Yup I know what you mean, my problem is a lot of people out there think I am a charter skipper :uhuh: :uhuh:

 

Yup I know what you mean, my problem is a lot of people out there think I am a charter skipper :uhuh: :uhuh:

How much do you charge Davy?

 

Surely it's a question of intent.

If you ask for a contribution towards fuel, bait, running costs, etc. Which are levied at a charge that reflects all the above. It's a fair request.

If you charge a fee which clearly has an element of profit which goes beyond that of operating costs. It's a commercial transaction.

Now, what happens when you give your mate down the pub some fresh maccie and he buy's you a pint ???

I would check with your insurers, and see what they say.

 

Surely it's a question of intent.

If you ask for a contribution towards fuel, bait, running costs, etc. Which are levied at a charge that reflects all the above. It's a fair request.

If you charge a fee which clearly has an element of profit which goes beyond that of operating costs. It's a commercial transaction.

Now, what happens when you give your mate down the pub some fresh maccie and he buy's you a pint ???

I would check with your insurers, and see what they say.

He is breaking the law too..He cannot 'Trade' fish without a licence and could be fined upto £5000

 

I would argue that no money has changed hands. Just a simple matter of barter. Which is still legal. The maccie and the pint are individual acts of charity for mutual benefit. Dunno!

 

I would argue that no money has changed hands. Just a simple matter of barter. Which is still legal. The maccie and the pint are individual acts of charity for mutual benefit. Dunno!

Whatever way we look at it dont really matter.They make the laws and you just cannot ,swap,trade,sell etc any fish taken from a Powered boat with out a licence.Sorry,I should of said fish caught from the beach or Pier or unpowered vessel under 10mts is perfectly legal to sell.Mad as an axe I know but that is the way it is!

 

but i spose that Terry Cascars would see it differently if i pulled up outside some of his cab pick ups and said "i`ll take you for a share of running expenses even though i`m unlicensed " or Tom bettle would get the ache if someone propositioned his customers and offered to sell thier boats for them for less commision ?





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or Tom bettle would get the ache if someone propositioned his customers and offered to sell thier boats for them for less commision ?

It happens all the time Dave, it's called the free ads, but you don't get my friendly smile.... :kissing: