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As what the title says; when beach fishing using braid (20lb-30lb), do you guys prefer using a heavy braid shockleader or a mono shockleader and why?
A lot of people seem to have troubles when using braid mainline and mono leader cos they get crack offs, but surely a braid leader with braid mainline leads to bumped off fish?
What are your opinions?
 

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I an not experienced in this area but would say a big contributing factor will be the ground you fish over. If rough then mono or fc without a doubt.
 
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As what the title says; when beach fishing using braid (20lb-30lb), do you guys prefer using a heavy braid shockleader or a mono shockleader and why?
A lot of people seem to have troubles when using braid mainline and mono leader cos they get crack offs, but surely a braid leader with braid mainline leads to bumped off fish?
What are your opinions?
for clean or light mixrd ground, I would use 80 or 100 pound braid straight through with no leader at all. I do not believe that the fish will get bumped off braid.
I hope this helps.
 

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As what the title says; when beach fishing using braid (20lb-30lb), do you guys prefer using a heavy braid shockleader or a mono shockleader and why?
A lot of people seem to have troubles when using braid mainline and mono leader cos they get crack offs, but surely a braid leader with braid mainline leads to bumped off fish?
What are your opinions?
I use 35lb braid mainline and 75lb braid leader, even when fishing over rough ground. Have found that thick braid straight through affects distances attainable. As for the lack of stretch in the system, a slightly softer tip section rod more than copes with sudden actions of the fish/sharks. While I do get the odd cut off on rocks or reef - I experience the same to a degree with heavy straight through - just took longer to damage the braid mainline, but it still happens. There is nothing that can really shield you from sharp rocks covered with mussels or the like, totally. Judicious use of the reel drag also helps a lot with the need to keep fish on the hook, you don't have to 'skull drag' everything in.

It is always going to be a compromise, between outright distance against more robust tackle. Personally, I'll take the distance option to maximise the benefits of braid.

Cheers from sunny Africa
 
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I also go lighter braids, gives you more range and chance to turn big fish rather than trying to bully something that gets agro and heads for the horizon. Most of our rocks are volcanic sharp oyster covered razors where anything that runs over them will cut. Even 15-20lb braid is extremely hard to break with good knots and decent mono leaders, which is all I use. Join them with a pr or fg for a very smooth strong connection.
 
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I also go lighter braids, gives you more range and chance to turn big fish rather than trying to bully something that gets agro and heads for the horizon. Most of our rocks are volcanic sharp oyster covered razors where anything that runs over them will cut. Even 15-20lb braid is extremely hard to break with good knots and decent mono leaders, which is all I use. Join them with a pr or fg for a very smooth strong connection.
going off subject slightly, would you lrave mono or flurocarbon line , say 25lbs straight through on the reel and left uncovered in the car in the sun or will it sun rot the line in a few weeks in the direct sun?????
 

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Braid to braid for me , same material for power casting so less chance of a crack off. Never up to now have I bumped a fish off , a glass tip helps like a shock absorber , some rive like hell when bringing a fish in one way to lose any fish braid or mono.
 

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going off subject slightly, would you lrave mono or flurocarbon line , say 25lbs straight through on the reel and left uncovered in the car in the sun or will it sun rot the line in a few weeks in the direct sun?????
Yes, to the question of degradation of mono or flouro in direct sun light. They do put an element of UV inhibitors in most mono recipes, but direct sunlight will degrade it to a degree. Long exposure is not recommended. We used to store all spare mono in the shop ina very dark cupboard, with only a few spools on display - just because of that reason.

Hope that helps

Cheers from sunny Africa
 
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Yes, to the question of degradation of mono or flouro in direct sun light. They do put an element of UV inhibitors in most mono recipes, but direct sunlight will degrade it to a degree. Long exposure is not recommended. We used to store all spare mono in the shop ina very dark cupboard, with only a few spools on display - just because of that reason.

Hope that helps

Cheers from sunny Africa
thank you very much, what part of africa you living mate?
 

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Now who's going off subject ;)

Fluro is not the wonder line so many believe, its weaker in knot strengths, less abrasive and extremely expensive, not to mention its environmental waste in silly little spools.

If you are leaving a reel in a car where sun will be shinning on it I would of thought uv damage would be the last of the problems and maybe a smashed window and missing gear more so. I was under the impression very little uv damage penetrates through car windows and if a towel or the like covered the gear it would be well protected from any damage and out of sight of thieves.

I live in an area where my fishing gear is exposed to extreme levels of uv and heat, where I see very little damage from this exposure. The mono leader on my big spin reel in my recent marlin report has been on the reel for 4 years, where it's been exposed to hundreds of hours of sunlight in an open boat. The pr knot joining the braid to mono has not been re-tied after many tuna and marlin but is due replacing now. The spool has mono backing followed by 400m of braid then a topshot of mono to fill the spool.

 
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Now who's going off subject ;)

Fluro is not the wonder line so many believe, its weaker in knot strengths, less abrasive and extremely expensive, not to mention its environmental waste in silly little spools.

If you are leaving a reel in a car where sun will be shinning on it I would of thought uv damage would be the last of the problems and maybe a smashed window and missing gear more so. I was under the impression very little uv damage penetrates through car windows and if a towel or the like covered the gear it would be well protected from any damage and out of sight of thieves.

I live in an area where my fishing gear is exposed to extreme levels of uv and heat, where I see very little damage from this exposure. The mono leader on my big spin reel in my recent marlin report has been on the reel for 4 years, where it's been exposed to hundreds of hours of sunlight in an open boat. The pr knot joining the braid to mono has not been re-tied after many tuna and marlin but is due replacing now. The spool has mono backing followed by 400m of braid then a topshot of mono to fill the spool.

Now who's going off subject ;)

Fluro is not the wonder line so many believe, its weaker in knot strengths, less abrasive and extremely expensive, not to mention its environmental waste in silly little spools.

If you are leaving a reel in a car where sun will be shinning on it I would of thought uv damage would be the last of the problems and maybe a smashed window and missing gear more so. I was under the impression very little uv damage penetrates through car windows and if a towel or the like covered the gear it would be well protected from any damage and out of sight of thieves.

I live in an area where my fishing gear is exposed to extreme levels of uv and heat, where I see very little damage from this exposure. The mono leader on my big spin reel in my recent marlin report has been on the reel for 4 years, where it's been exposed to hundreds of hours of sunlight in an open boat. The pr knot joining the braid to mono has not been re-tied after many tuna and marlin but is due replacing now. The spool has mono backing followed by 400m of braid then a topshot of mono to fill the spool.

thanks a lot for the information, ive just ordered a multiplier with 25lb mono already on it for tope fishing, so i will just put a 80lb leader or 100lb leader on the end of it is it mate? and uv is not a big problem like they all claim it is on rotting your line in a year of use? thanks in advance mate
 

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As what the title says; when beach fishing using braid (20lb-30lb), do you guys prefer using a heavy braid shockleader or a mono shockleader and why?
A lot of people seem to have troubles when using braid mainline and mono leader cos they get crack offs, but surely a braid leader with braid mainline leads to bumped off fish?
What are your opinions?
A part of the problem is trying to connect ultra thin braid to large diameter mono. Doubling the braid when tying the knot goes some way to alleviate it. As said, braid doesn't bump fish off, anglers do. Just play them a bit easier or use a rod with a softer tip or more progressive action.
 

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UV does degrade line. It may not be so noticeable on very heavy stuff as even at, say 50%, strength it is still going to be pretty strong. The guides in Thailand reckon they get about 3 weeks (12hrs/day, 7 days a week) out of normal mono before they change it.. that's 30lb mono. Terry Eustace/Gold Label Tackle developed a line specifically to cope better with UV degradation but it still weakens after a while. Not saying the UK sun has the same strength as foreign climes but it still degrades it... you've got to ask yourself, is it really worth the risk of losing a nice tope for the cost of a spool of mono?
 
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A part of the problem is trying to connect ultra thin braid to large diameter mono. Doubling the braid when tying the knot goes some way to alleviate it. As said, braid doesn't bump fish off, anglers do. Just play them a bit easier or use a rod with a softer tip or more progressive action.
a continental rod is perfect with braid
 
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UV does degrade line. It may not be so noticeable on very heavy stuff as even at, say 50%, strength it is still going to be pretty strong. The guides in Thailand reckon they get about 3 weeks (12hrs/day, 7 days a week) out of normal mono before they change it.. that's 30lb mono. Terry Eustace/Gold Label Tackle developed a line specifically to cope better with UV degradation but it still weakens after a while. Not saying the UK sun has the same strength as foreign climes but it still degrades it... you've got to ask yourself, is it really worth the risk of losing a nice tope for the cost of a spool of mono?
good point
 
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