[fredmoore]

sorry for lots of questions guys.just got my new seajeep with 50 hp honda on the rear,trouble is,as i suspected,my drive is quite steep,and for various reasons,i have to unhitch and pull it up the last bit of slope of about 15ft before it is level.i could manage it with my last boat which was a small rib,but cant with new boat.reversing up drive is not an option,so i was thinking of bolting some sort of winch to the garage wall to help with the last bit.trouble is they come in different strengths and prices,so how do you calculate which size you will need, bearing in mind you are pulling on a trailer and not a dead lift .we can push it up with two men if this helps.once we are on the flat no probs,thanks in advance for your advice:sad2:

 

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winch needs to be able to pull more than the weight of your boat ie 2000lb boat will need at least 2000lb winch but the main question would be how strong is the garage wall

Maybe you could fix an a large rawl bolt (eye type)in to the concrete floor and use a long rope from the front of trailer through eye bolt back under boat conect to car and pull backwards boat will move forward and you would have a usefull fixing for chain and padlock to secure boat and trailer
with this method you could pull boat up backwards to make it easy to get out again

 

[elliemaebruce]

Is it feasible to install a stout metal post , concreted in , or a good eye well into concrete ?? If so , it opens up a choice of a pulley system , or use the car , or a hand winch (cheap) , etc . Lots of options , just depends what will work in your particular one . Keep it simple ...!

 

[BrianR]

winch needs to be able to pull more than the weight of your boat ie 2000lb boat will need at least 2000lb winch but the main question would be how strong is the garage wall

No it doesn't. You're not lifting the boat vertically.
If total weight = 2000lb
If angle of incilne = 30 degrees
Sin30 x Load = Effort
0.454 x 2000 = 908lb

As the angle of incline decreases so does the effort required to move the boat.

But I agree the garage wall would be the weak point. Better to fix it into the floor.

 

[BASSCHASINBOY]

If you have a commercial vehicle scrapyard within sensible distance you can get hd winches off of tailgates etc fairly cheap , connect through a pulley system and away you go!
Do make sure the swl on the winch is heavy enough . Alternatively land rover accessory shops stock all sort of winches.

 

[17839]

Don"t use the wall as a fixing point !
You have several options.
You could fit a "push bar" (front mounted tow ball) to the front of your car & push the boat up the drive with the car (also handy for manouvering the boat in tight spaces).
You could put a ground anchor bolt in the floor & use an electric or hand winch. A 1,500lb winch should cope although for a few extra quid you could get a 3,500lb winch (about £80). I actually used to use this set up when I kept a boat on my sloping drive.
Or you could use a pulley system using the anchor bolt & your car.

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[KB Striker 17]

Yes you can forget the wall fastening you would need to rawl bolt into the Garage deck but drill more than one so the load spreading would be greater,.. put a strop through all the eyes or cheap shackles with a strop through them,. this way with the load spread over a greater area it will mean that you can safely winch your boat up any amount of incline without that nagging doubt as to wether the rawl bolt would be strong enough to NOT see your pride and joy scooting off at a rate of knots to end up causing alot of damage to other things apart from your own boat.....
KB.

 

[fredmoore]

many thanks for the replies so far.to clarify thing a bit more,the situation is a longish winding gravel drive with a bit of an incline increasing as it gets to the top,at the top there is no turning area,just a double garage,so basically i have to drive up to the right hand garage,choc trailer wheels,move it to the right hand side as it goes up,which counts out using the van with a pulley system as the van is trapped until the boat is all the way up and i can then reverse the van out of the way.so i think its going to have to be some kind of winch system,what sort do you think saw some on machine mart but they were a good few hundred for 240v systems or is 12v better.did also think of a tow ball on the front but again discounted it because when i drive in to the drive the van is again trapped and i cant get it out to swap boat to the front.the reason i do not reverse up is because the lane outside the house is to narrow which leaves me no lock to manouvre,besides being a bad driver.the real answer is to move house but i dont think the mrs will agree lol:fishing:

 

[17839]

http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garde...00-lb.-Rating/1044254/product.html?cid=133635
This would do the job £60 odd. If you google 12 volt winches you will see plenty between £60-£80 between 1.500-3,500lbs. Either get a leisure battery to run it or run it off your van battery.
If you run it off your van battery make up some h/d leads the length you require. Most come with a square mounting plate, fix this into the floor with 4 x 10-13mm anchor bolts & away you go.

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[somethingfishy]

Like some of the posts here, I've found on towbarwarehouse.co.uk a towball fitted electric winch that is portable on a 12v supply. fit an anchor to the rear of the garage and hook this puppy on. (check pull rating though)

 

[col175]

If two men can push it up the drive their cant be that much strain on any eye you bolt to the floor or the wall.
Strap the boat down on the trailer and unfasten the winch on the trailer from the front of the boat fix the winch hook to an eye at the top of the drive and use the trailer winch to pull it up the drive, simple and cheap. Why does every thing have to be so complicated. Colin

 

[gibberfish]

If two men can push it up the drive their cant be that much strain on any eye you bolt to the floor or the wall.
Strap the boat down on the trailer and unfasten the winch on the trailer from the front of the boat fix the winch hook to an eye at the top of the drive and use the trailer winch to pull it up the drive, simple and cheap. Why does every thing have to be so complicated. Colin

BINGO!!!
Thars exactly what I used to do with my Orkney Strikeliner. I drove a marquee spike into the ground behind a short piece of 3x3 angle iron buried just below the ground. I used the trailer winch to haul the boat up the drive way which was steep -1:4or5 ish. The trailer winch did this no problem, I just unhooked it from the boat (leaving the safety chain attached), run the strap out to the spike which had a shackle on it, hey presto.

 

[blueskip]

Those 12v winches wont pull your hat off, & they slip like hell after about 2 uses, I use a "pucker" electric winch mounted onto an anchor plate to pull my boat & trailer up onto the drive.
But you could do exactly the same with a 2 speed hand winch, mounted onto a bracket, that gives you room off the floor to turn the handle without banging your fingers. If you make the bracket to fit over a strongpoint in the floor you can drop the winch & bracket over the strongpoint, wind your strap out, attach it to your trailer & pull the lot up the drive "dim problemo", even if its REALLY heavy the low ratio will marmalise it, it winches my boat off the sand easily!

 

[BrianR]

reversing up drive is not an option,

In that case, mount a tow ball on the front of the vehicle. Doesn't matter how windey the drive is then.

 

[fredmoore]

well guys,many thanks for the ideas,just been down on the drive looking at the feasability of cols idea of using the winch on the trailer to pull me up,looks viable if a bit of hard work and the strap would not be long enough so i would have to put some rope on to extend it,but other than that,hey a free idea is always the best,lol.i will get an eye or similar bolted to the garage floor and give it a go.will the trailer winch be up to pulling the whole lot uphill?

 

[blueskip]

But warn your neighbours across the road to move their cars "just in case":whistling:

 

[col175]

But warn your neighbours across the road to move their cars "just in case":whistling:

Does any one ever think positive a bloody idiot could do it. col

 

[fredmoore]

well if thats the qualification col,i will have no problems,lol:clap:

 

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Does any one ever think positive a bloody idiot could do it. col

But Blueskip has so often proved he's the exception to the (logical) rule..............:hypocrite

 

[blueskip]

But maybe he isn't a bloody idiot, & that would rule him out! I just had a vision of his arm going backwards in a blur, or the handle hitting him under the chin repeatedly.
Without seeing his drive, or his boat, I tend to err on the side of caution, the last thing I want is somebody posting that my suggestion wrote his neighbours Porsche924 off!:doh: