Difference casting reel down is it gives you time to sort 1 or 2 mistakes out before you cast.castibg reel down slows your cast down compared to reel up.

Go you tube and look for tommy farmer castibg

 

Sorry pulley but I can't let it go any longer, reel down is NOT slower than reel up - there is no difference whatsoever in speed between the two. Longer rod will make the cast slower, longer drop will make the cast slower, even a bigger lead will slow things down if that is what you are trying to achieve.

 

Byker

Have you tried casting otg first as this style is the building blocks of most casts these days. It will also teach you to get your arms and body in the correct position.

After this has been mastered the pendulum cast high or low swing should be easier to learn:g:

 

Check-out what "Crack-off-Colin" has said - of the replies, he is the only one who is a qualified and Licensed angling coach. He has been teaching the "Hi-Inertia" methods for more than 20 years to my knowledge, and knows what he is talking about.

PTR

 

Sorry pulley but I can't let it go any longer, reel down is NOT slower than reel up - there is no difference whatsoever in speed between the two. Longer rod will make the cast slower, longer drop will make the cast slower, even a bigger lead will slow things down if that is what you are trying to achieve.

i know you use the reel up yourself and good with it too,have you tried reel down bottom of rod yourself and how did you find it.

no trick quest just i know you know your stuff and interested in your findings,personaly for beach fishing i would love to be consistant with reel up as it keeps reel away from sand and easier to reel in but for some reason reel down is more consistant for me.

ta john

 

You may need to add an extra guide if you move the reel down. This will depend on the ringing pattern of your rod, and the location of the bottom guide at present.

If the drop is correct to begin with, you shouldn't need to change it as the rod is still the same length. Somewhere around your top hand is a good starting place for drop length, and most people settle within a foot either side of this position.

As Colin says, OTG will help you get your arms sorted out and away from your body.

Despite persistent rumours to the contrary, there is no test in place to determine the abilities of angling coaches. Best look at the track record of the individual concerned to be certain of their abilities. 'Coach' has taught Alan Varley from being a child and holding the UK junior record, to being a member and medalist in the England Team. Decide for yourself who you want to listen to?

The originator of the 'Flat Arc' style can be found here.

slowmotion, flat pendulum - YouTube

 

i know you use the reel up yourself and good with it too,have you tried reel down bottom of rod yourself and how did you find it.

no trick quest just i know you know your stuff and interested in your findings,personaly for beach fishing i would love to be consistant with reel up as it keeps reel away from sand and easier to reel in but for some reason reel down is more consistant for me.

ta john

Down the years I have cast(and fished) reel down many times, and to be honest I'm quite happy either way. Over grass I'm maybe 5yds better reel up but there's not a lot in it. I stay reel up to be honest, because I gain nothing by going reel down. The one observation I would make however, at the risk of upsetting some people, is that if you have no left(bottom) hand you can get away with it reel down - you can't reel up!

 

Check-out what "Crack-off-Colin" has said - of the replies, he is the only one who is a qualified and Licensed angling coach. He has been teaching the "Hi-Inertia" methods for more than 20 years to my knowledge, and knows what he is talking about.

PTR

I am a professionally qualified adult trainer and coach and have been for more than 30 years. If I were prepared to lash out several hundred pounds the qualification I hold would automatically 'qualify' me for one of the bits of paper ptr considers so important. I have better things to spend my money on however, so I'm afraid I'll just have to pass on the 'Licence' and hope the Licence Policeman doesn't catch up with me.:bleh:

 

Down the years I have cast(and fished) reel down many times, and to be honest I'm quite happy either way. Over grass I'm maybe 5yds better reel up but there's not a lot in it. I stay reel up to be honest, because I gain nothing by going reel down. The one observation I would make however, at the risk of upsetting some people, is that if you have no left(bottom) hand you can get away with it reel down - you can't reel up!

although i am no expert on this casting i do understand what you mean about left hand reel down and this is prob i have it makes sense to me having read what you have wrote.

and i know i am conversing with someone who has cast very long distances in the past and has his son
right at the top casting.

 

although i am no expert on this casting i do understand what you mean about left hand reel down and this is prob i have it makes sense to me having read what you have wrote.

and i know i am conversing with someone who has cast very long distances in the past and has his son
right at the top casting.

nine times out of ten, the reason a person struggles to use their left(bottom) hand properly is because it is too close to them at the start of the punch/pull. If you think of a rod as a simple lever for a minute then ideally the top hand should be the fulcrum, all too often though I see anglers/casters using the bottom hand as the 'fixed point' and doing all the work with their top/dominant hand. Obviously that works best without a reel to push/control as well. And that is one of the reasons why some casters gain and find it easier after changing to reeldown. And there's nothing wrong with that, but if you want to cast to your max then you need to use both hands.
Its not as difficult as it seems either, the 'secret'(if you will) is in how you get the lead to swing. If you hold the rod with your left and use your dominant top hand to control everything then the chances are you will start the cast with the bottom hand too close to your body to work effectively, if however you use your bottom hand to get the backswing by pushing it out and away then you start with everything in the right place.
Now you've given yourself half a chance to develop some real power.:yeah:

 

nine times out of ten, the reason a person struggles to use their left(bottom) hand properly is because it is too close to them at the start of the punch/pull. If you think of a rod as a simple lever for a minute then ideally the top hand should be the fulcrum, all too often though I see anglers/casters using the bottom hand as the 'fixed point' and doing all the work with their top/dominant hand. Obviously that works best without a reel to push/control as well. And that is one of the reasons why some casters gain and find it easier after changing to reeldown. And there's nothing wrong with that, but if you want to cast to your max then you need to use both hands.
Its not as difficult as it seems either, the 'secret'(if you will) is in how you get the lead to swing. If you hold the rod with your left and use your dominant top hand to control everything then the chances are you will start the cast with the bottom hand too close to your body to work effectively, if however you use your bottom hand to get the backswing by pushing it out and away then you start with everything in the right place.
Now you've given yourself half a chance to develop some real power.:yeah:

i am not just saying this i know exactly were you are coming from it sounds easy when you read it ,left hand is a thing that pops up all the time but reading what you have wrote and taking it in and wanting to makes it easy to understand a pic in the head.

 

@ the OP in the past I have found little practical difference in the distance cast whatever the position of the reel; yesteryear when people were pendulum casting with shorter rods 11'6" and the like the reels seemed better balanced mounted up the rod; when people started using the cast with longer rods the whole outfit seemed better balanced with the reel mounted towards the end of the butt; the position of the reel is down to personal preference.

I prefer the reel down the butt but one day using new sand spikes they were made so I couldn't use the reel down so I pushed 'em up the butt with no issue except it felt peculiar; probably still didn't catch any fish ....

Just an aside I have never heard of a back caster casting with the reel at the "top" but again I doubt that such an arrangement would affect the final distance.

Btw wtf is "Hatteras" style? I thought that Hatteras was a cooking recipe ....

Peter.

 

There is a couple of backcasters using reel hi at Eccc, Both to good effect.

 

The Hatteras cast is a good cast for throwing heavier weights for pretty good distance. It is effective in a crowd as it has a compact arc.

The Brighton or a ground-cast with a bit more rotation will provide more distance. A properly executed 270 degree rotation tournament style groundcast will challenge or outperform even a good pendulum cast. It is a very very powerful cast.

If you want to learn the flat arc, listen to Plugcaster. He is one of the best in the world in this style (and others). Better yet, find him and get one on one tuition.

Tommy

 

@ the OP in the past I have found little practical difference in the distance cast whatever the position of the reel; yesteryear when people were pendulum casting with shorter rods 11'6" and the like the reels seemed better balanced mounted up the rod; when people started using the cast with longer rods the whole outfit seemed better balanced with the reel mounted towards the end of the butt; the position of the reel is down to personal preference.

I prefer the reel down the butt but one day using new sand spikes they were made so I couldn't use the reel down so I pushed 'em up the butt with no issue except it felt peculiar; probably still didn't catch any fish ....

Just an aside I have never heard of a back caster casting with the reel at the "top" but again I doubt that such an arrangement would affect the final distance.

Btw wtf is "Hatteras" style? I thought that Hatteras was a cooking recipe ....

Peter.

Ha...it's this Hatteras Cast - YouTube

 

If you want to learn the flat arc, listen to Plugcaster. He is one of the best in the world in this style (and others). Better yet, find him and get one on one tuition.

Tommy

Could not agree more

 

Very many thanks for the link Byker.

Peter.

 

I am a professionally qualified adult trainer and coach and have been for more than 30 years. If I were prepared to lash out several hundred pounds the qualification I hold would automatically 'qualify' me for one of the bits of paper ptr considers so important. I have better things to spend my money on however, so I'm afraid I'll just have to pass on the 'Licence' and hope the Licence Policeman doesn't catch up with me.:bleh:

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