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Hello everyone
Just bought my first boat and would like some advice please. The boat in question is an 18ft dory hull with a very small cuddy which looks too small for the boat and situated right at the front. I am 6ft,3in tall and when I stand up the cuddy roof comes up to my waist.
I would like to build a small open wheel house or something along those lines in which to shelter in case of inclement weather. The only trouble with this is that I have absolutely no experience in this type of project.

Is there a right and wrong way of doing things, are there any special materials I should use, or avoid, and finally should I even attempt it? I am aware that it could change the way the boat handles but I am still prepared to try.

So any one out there that has attempted this in the past I would apreciate any advice you could offer me.


Thank you in advance


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It is easy enough for a compentent DIY-er, but be wary of making a cuddy too big. It will create a lot of windage (drag) which will affect steering and the behaviour of the boat at anchor. It might be better to add a windscreen on top of the cuddy for a bit of protection (Norrie did a post with a picture on this forum). Also, an amateur cuddy often looks like one which would de-value the boat if you tried to sell it. On the other hand if it is well designed and well made it could be an improvement! Whatever you do, make sure it is very stong, it will have to take a lot of stress as the boat goes through waves.
 

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Another thought - for use at anchor, you could have a sort of pram hood made up, that folds back down for going along. There are marine companies that do that sort of thing, but it may not be cheap.
 

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Another thought - for use at anchor, you could have a sort of pram hood made up, that folds back down for going along. There are marine companies that do that sort of thing, but it may not be cheap.
Not cheap indeed! Norrie a regular forum poster, pmd me about the cost of getting an extension for his Seahogg Shortie cuddy as we have the same boat £700-900 was the quote he got!
 

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Salar mentioned de valuing the boat by making/fitting an inappropriate wheelhouse/windscreen.

Whatever you do don't be tempted to do anything yet! I (and others here I am sure) have seen nice boats ruined by what are basically idiots. Out of proportion, badly made, using unsuitable (softwood) material, additions will ruin any boat. Not just in the terms of handling and sea keeping but in value too.

My suggestion is wait a while, use the boat as she is but at the same time look at boats for sale on Ebay, Boats and Outboards, your local marinas, brokerage lists etc, You will soon see some appaling even ridioculous examples of what I am talking about. Yet at the same time you will be gaining invaluable knowledge of how things should look and the sort of work you will need to master.

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Hello everyone
Just bought my first boat and would like some advice please. The boat in question is an 18ft dory hull with a very small cuddy which looks too small for the boat and situated right at the front. I am 6ft,3in tall and when I stand up the cuddy roof comes up to my waist.
I would like to build a small open wheel house or something along those lines in which to shelter in case of inclement weather. The only trouble with this is that I have absolutely no experience in this type of project.

Is there a right and wrong way of doing things, are there any special materials I should use, or avoid, and finally should I even attempt it? I am aware that it could change the way the boat handles but I am still prepared to try.

So any one out there that has attempted this in the past I would apreciate any advice you could offer me.


Thank you in advance


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just a thought flatty as you have a dory type boat I wonder if the screen arangement off a wilson flyer would fit this boat as they are built quite heavily built add ons if I remember rightly they are in scratchface lane bedhampton havent hants dont know the number but the screen is quite high and would give you a dry ride
 

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We, in my marina have a name for these 'armature' add-on equipped dinghies; "floating chicken sheds!":crazy: The ones that are well done dont get the tag cos they dont draw attention, trouble is, most are poor at best. Usually strong enough, just representing the epitome of armature 'shutter ply work':eek:hmy:

Add on screen, Orkney used to do something called a 'fly bridge screen' I think??? Pilot also had one for their 17ft'er.

Final point, 6'3"? is your gunwale railing height at a safe level?

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Good point on the freeboard ET's...

I would double check your freeboard firs and treat that as a priority.
Ideally the gunnell coaming should come to the top of your thigh as a minimum (bottom of your knackers unless they are very large....).

This can be done with rails if you wished and if rails were being uses I'd go just a titchy bit higher.

..Remember saftey first.

With regards the cuddy top.
It is unlikely that a diy'er will do an aestheticly good job.
I truly recommend putting your hand in your pocket and getting a good Spray hood (Pram hood).
This can be folded down when not needed and you want the wind in your hair, but raised in cold or rainy weather.

Much more suitable for the job you have in mind.

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just a thought flatty as you have a dory type boat I wonder if the screen arangement off a wilson flyer would fit this boat as they are built quite heavily built add ons if I remember rightly they are in scratchface lane bedhampton havent hants dont know the number but the screen is quite high and would give you a dry ride

The hull was origonally a wilson flyer, but the origonal cuddy has been replaced with a much smaller one. After reeding all your replys and taking them on board, I think I will leave it for the time being and just fit a screen for now.

Thank you all for your advice, it has been very much appreciated.



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If it is the original Wilson Flyer freeboard height then I would definitely fit rails round the side.
A man of your height is going straight over (possibly slightly OTT, but you get the jist) the first time you lose your balance.

I know that wasn't your job in hand, but I would have to say that it would be far more important than anything else.
 

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If it is the original Wilson Flyer freeboard height then I would definitely fit rails round the side.
A man of your height is going straight over (possibly slightly OTT, but you get the jist) the first time you lose your balance.

I know that wasn't your job in hand, but I would have to say that it would be far more important than anything else.

How right you are Tom, having 'been over the side'! On a single handed trip, in the water for over an hour!!! Eventually got picked up by the good guys, RNLI:notworthy That free board cannot be emphasized enough. I believe charter boats have to comply with 1m to the top of any rail???

By the way, if I had gone over in normal weather conditions end of September, the RNLI crew who picked me up reckoned it would have been 'touch and go' on hypothermia and my survival:blink: It was 3 or 4 years ago when we had a really hot summer, the water was like a warm bath, how lucky was that . . . how stupid to fall in, accident will happen???

No not really, I slipped off the 9" side walk going forward, 'no toe rail', the boat was new and I had not yet fitted a 'boarding ladder' :uhuh: both item on the list of 'jobs to do'!!! Accidents are rarely that. The guys who raised the alarm were great, but paniced!!! Hear I am, in the water, 'stayed with the boat'!!! Telling then to get a rope, call the 'mayday' on 16, they had to transfer back to their boat to make the radio call??? They were not confident on how to work my standard ICOM unit??:doh: If I had been unconscious, what would they have don!:g:

Safe amount of free board. As Tom says, Wilsons are a bit light on gunwale, as are a few other Dory types I think?

The guys did save me, for which I thank them, they got a bottle of decent whisky. Think about it, what do you do in an emergency, be clear:g:

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I think it is Salar who produces a 'idiots' crib sheet for VHF emergancy calls. The sort of thing a kid or a none sailing passenger could simply follow to get a Mayday out. I got one complimentary with some gear I bought off him. Well worth buying if he sells them. Also ditto idiot sheet for bouage system.

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How right you are Tom, having 'been over the side'! On a single handed trip, in the water for over an hour!!! Eventually got picked up by the good guys, RNLI:notworthy That free board cannot be emphasized enough. I believe charter boats have to comply with 1m to the top of any rail???

By the way, if I had gone over in normal weather conditions end of September, the RNLI crew who picked me up reckoned it would have been 'touch and go' on hypothermia and my survival:blink: It was 3 or 4 years ago when we had a really hot summer, the water was like a warm bath, how lucky was that . . . how stupid to fall in, accident will happen???

No not really, I slipped off the 9" side walk going forward, 'no toe rail', the boat was new and I had not yet fitted a 'boarding ladder' :uhuh: both item on the list of 'jobs to do'!!! Accidents are rarely that. The guys who raised the alarm were great, but paniced!!! Hear I am, in the water, 'stayed with the boat'!!! Telling then to get a rope, call the 'mayday' on 16, they had to transfer back to their boat to make the radio call??? They were not confident on how to work my standard ICOM unit??:doh: If I had been unconscious, what would they have don!:g:

Safe amount of free board. As Tom says, Wilsons are a bit light on gunwale, as are a few other Dory types I think?

The guys did save me, for which I thank them, they got a bottle of decent whisky. Think about it, what do you do in an emergency, be clear:g:

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An outstanding post!
 

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If it is the original Wilson Flyer freeboard height then I would definitely fit rails round the side.
A man of your height is going straight over (possibly slightly OTT, but you get the jist) the first time you lose your balance.

I know that wasn't your job in hand, but I would have to say that it would be far more important than anything else.


Where can I get rails from because that is on my to do list
 

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Depending on size required Standard units can be had from some chandlers, alternatively its bespoke from one of the specialists SS welders. Closest specialist I know to Essex is at Suffolk Yacht Harbour on the Orwell, I suspect there will be one closer?

As you are Essex based, try; Dauntless Boat Yard Chandlery, at Dauntless Boat Yard, Canvey Island, close to the Council Depot. I have seen SS rails' various' hanging up. They are one of the few chandeliers I have visited that is not 'swish', not yacht's oriented, and does not give the feeling of ripping you off because its marine oriented!

The owner is a bit unconventional? Although I have given a couple mobile nos., they are old so??? Dauntless is a Genuine 'Aladdin's Cave', worth a visit, its a boat owners 'sweetie shop':clap3: You will come out with a lighter bank balance . . . you will! No CC service, take cheques with card £10 and over!

07771 944288 or 07833 562536

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Depending on size required Standard units can be had from some chandlers, alternatively its bespoke from one of the specialists SS welders. Closest specialist I know to Essex is at Suffolk Yacht Harbour on the Orwell, I suspect there will be one closer?

As you are Essex based, try; Dauntless Boat Yard Chandlery, at Dauntless Boat Yard, Canvey Island, close to the Council Depot. I have seen SS rails' various' hanging up. They are one of the few chandeliers I have visited that is not 'swish', not yacht's oriented, and does not give the feeling of ripping you off because its marine oriented!

The owner is a bit unconventional? Although I have given a couple mobile nos., they are old so??? Dauntless is a Genuine 'Aladdin's Cave', worth a visit, its a boat owners 'sweetie shop':clap3: You will come out with a lighter bank balance . . . you will! No CC service, take cheques with card £10 and over!

07771 944288 or 07833 562536

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I have heard of this place but forgot of its excistence, I will try them. Thank you very much
 
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For specialist rails, try Stainless Steve in Lymington.

Don't have his number to hand, but if you search google I am sure he will pop up.
He advertises in some of the fishing mags too.

Good guy, knows his stuff and makes nearly all the stainless for the local charter fleets.

Great for bits and bobs too, bow rollers, rocket launchers, T bars, RAILS.

Stainless isn't cheap (You could use allow or something?), but nore if the cost of a funeral.

Well done Flatty on treating the rails as a priority.

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I went into a chandlers in Thorpe bay and he recomended wire rails covered in plastic rather than stainless or aluminium. He is a yachtsman so I can understand where he is coming from, but for a fishing boat?.

Whats everyones view on this?

Cheers in advance guys


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I went into a chandlers in Thorpe bay and he recomended wire rails covered in plastic rather than stainless or aluminium. He is a yachtsman so I can understand where he is coming from, but for a fishing boat?.

Whats everyones view on this?

Cheers in advance guys


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For a yacht, fin, but as with most 'yachties' he ain't got a clue' beyond yachts. The SS rail is there as something solid to hold on to, a 'purchase grip' as the boat rolls, a solid presure point above your C of G. Yacht wires are for clipping a safety line to as you move about the boat. They would be better than nothing but a 'very, very poor'!!!!!, 2nd best. The cost will surprise you too, he wants your money!


This is what you want, proper 1" stainless, bolted through the mounting flanges, tough!!!! They are not normally difficult to fit, I still say, 'Dauntless' has what you want, I can visualise then now hanging above the door as you go in, various sizes. And if not, safety is not to be skimped on, down to the local SS fabricators. I am 5'11" tall, rail tops need to be 3ft as far as I'm concerned to feel comfortable, 30" is an absolute minimum???? and personally, I would not be happy at that?




Watering down safety? a bad move mate. Sorry its 'between the eyes', but, as one who has been there, what price your life?

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PS, Yachtie type 'wire and stanchions' would have been OK as an extension from the 'pulpit' back to the cockpit, would probably have stopped me slipping of the side walk, + a toe rail, all jobs to do at the time!!! I paid a price, now have a permanently disabled hand, fortunately not 'the price'!!!
 

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I went into a chandlers in Thorpe bay and he recomended wire rails covered in plastic rather than stainless or aluminium. He is a yachtsman so I can understand where he is coming from, but for a fishing boat?.

Whats everyones view on this?

Cheers in advance guys


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Almost guaranteed to split or chip or peel over time and allow water under it and if not stainless steel wire under it and galvanised. It will rust eventually!. Nicer to the touch possibly though.
 
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