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just scanning thru what posts have been put on and read with interest the thread by kevnofish on supermarkets undersize fish sales which does my head in too. Anyway just wanted to know if anyone bought aprils sea angler.......????? or it might've been total sea angler come to think of it...cant remember anyway..... a little article in there about wrasse being caught and sold to a sushi a restaurant in london... the pic on the article made me sick as wrasse was the 1st fish i caught and what made me love fishing so much, to have that brilliant fight then to see them go back is always nice to see.
Just wanted to know what other peoples reaction was to that. Is this a new thing???? or has it been going on for a while....???
 

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never heard of that before mate, probley true though, the've taken everything else, ever flounder at 50p p/stone. surely wrase will be next.

please no, i love thecolourfull little guys.
 

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I've heard about it and don't like it one bit. My favourite fish to catch and something that I thought would be safe from commercial pressures. I just hope that this doesn't get any bigger as pound for pound they are one of the best fighting fish around.
 

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Wrasse are considered a good fish to eat in France,when I was last in Normandy they had English wrasse on the fishmongers slab!It was only £2 a kilo so someone is selling them not just to London,but further afield.
 

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the said article isnt the full story.some anglers dont believe that flounder are used for pot bait,1 boat from the teign landed 84 stone of flounder in one day last week and they were sold for £44.the resturant in question is a sushi speacialist,known as moshi moshi.they buy flounder,dogfish,and wrasse and its not new,thats been going on for 6 years although they are now buying there fish from cornwall.i hope people stop moaning about the odd fish kept by an angler and look at the wider angle.what there doing out at sea is nothing short of criminal.
 

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I've heard about it and don't like it one bit. My favourite fish to catch and something that I thought would be safe from commercial pressures. I just hope that this doesn't get any bigger as pound for pound they are one of the best fighting fish around.
its huge.bigger than anyone thinks and its been going on for years,and no one cares or is the least bit interested in are arguements to save our fishing.
 

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The article about wrasse being sold as sushi to a London restaurant was in Total Sea Fishing. It is also very true.
The fisherman who is targetting wrasse with gill nets and most other species close to shore is based in the Helford Estuary in Cornwall. There was a local tv programme about him. His view was that it is better to sell the wrasse as sushi than to throw them back. The problem is that once you have created the market for these fish you then want to catch more and so do all the other gill netters.
There has been no thought at all on what impact this is having on local wrasse stocks or how it may be affecting the balance of male and female fish or affecting the fishing quality for anglers.
It is entierly possible that targetted gill netting for wrasse or flounder or anyother inshore fish which has a limited migration range will result in temporary local extinctions or severly depleted stocks.
I do not remember any commercial gill netter even considering asking anglers or the local sea fisheries officers if this sort of thing was sustainable.

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The whole thing is a disgrace and proofs without any reasonable doubt that this country and its politics are in total disarea, only when we stand up and fight for what is right will the situation get any better, untill then these politicians will continue to laugh at us and abuse their powers at the expense of its people.
 

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The whole thing is a disgrace and proofs without any reasonable doubt that this country and its politics are in total disarea, only when we stand up and fight for what is right will the situation get any better, untill then these politicians will continue to laugh at us and abuse their powers at the expense of its people.
i wouldnt waste your energy standing,they wouldnt listen.they simply dont care,never have,never will.its ok to belong to federations,nfsa,like myself,support defra,and other organisations like myself.these organisations have no power,so dont expect to do much as an individual.its a shame no one cares,apart from the anglers.
 

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Wrasse are commonly caught as bycatch by inshore netters targetting bass.
There is a small market for them; although they are not worth much money. The price would certainly have to rise conciderably for it to become viable for fishermen to target them specifically.
I have been told by fish buyers in the past there is a preference for the red coloured fish. The green wrasse are not so desirable. Not sure how much truth there is in that.
No netter in his right mind would target flounders. It is not worth the effort of picking the fish out of the net and clearing the tangles for 50p/stone (if this price is correct) Much easier and profitable to target spider crabs for £1/kg.

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A trawlerman has only to pick the fish up and put them in a box, no where near as labour intencive.
Flounders have been used for pot bait for years,and the price is 50p a stone.By catch or targeted,its wrong.They do target them,and there has been proof from local harbours around the region.So are you suggesting that its ok to take them for pot bait,and wrasse for the resturants.Its been going on for years and it wont stop while theres a market for it.
 

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I'm not desputing the fact that flounders are targetted for pot bait. I dont agree with it; but it is legal and the fishermen at least in the eyes of the law are doing nothing wrong.
I stated that no gill net fisherman would target flounders. If they did, then they should be locked up in a rubber room somewhere as there are much easier ways to earn a living.
Wrasse have been landed for years. Cant despute that either. The fish make a few pence per kg at auctions. Not enough to make fishermen target them. Once again; if a gill net fisherman targets wrasse at 30p/kg he needs his head read when he can sooooooo easily catch spider crabs which are worth much more per kg.
What do you propose to do about the wrasse being sold to the sushi resteraunt in london?
Sit at home infront of your PC and whinge about it or do something constructive?? Perhaps you should organise a public protest outside the said reseraunt :g:

Personally i'd rather see any fish put to some use - be it sushi, be it pot bait or whatever - rather than being discarded dead. Waste not want not :)

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um.......all the resturants are mostly in london.And as a known fact,they are targeted for the food trade,and are worth rather more than you think.I do my bit for conservation like most,so i didnt use this as a way to start an argument,i just think the powers that be should do more,but we all no that wont happen.Some like it the way it is,i dont.And i do shout about things,in the deparments that are meant to back us,but im beginning to realise that it is all in vain.
 

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The problem is not about netters taking a few wrasse that they always have for pot bait. The issue here is that the stocks of fish traditionally targetted by inshore gill netters have been hammered to the extent that there are now too many fishermen chasing few fish with lots of gill net.

The less fish, the more net set to catch enough to earn a wage. As a way of staying in the industry inshore fishermen are contantly looking for new stocks to exploit or new markets to generate. This in turn pushes them to concentrate more intensively on fish which they previously had little or no real interest in. I heard a rumour that one commercial fishermen is applying for a grant for a dogfish skinning machine - if this is true and he makes money what do you think the other commercial fishermen will do ? Once dogfish catches decline for anglers what is left of any interest ? Do you think that there will be any public consultation on the likely impact on dogfish stocks in inshore waters ?

As the decline of inshore stocks continues so the traditional by catch available for pot bait declines. As crabs and lobsters make good money and the fishermen contine to require pot bait they target flounders increasingly for pot bait. Flounders are a species which do not migrate long distances. They live in estuaries and in the winter migrate a little way offshore to spawn then they come back. Once you know this they are easy to target for pot bait with little effort. Flounder are therefore very vulnerable to over exploitation just at a time when flounder competitions are releasing more and more back alive - for what ?

The problem is that there are too many fishermen using too much gill net chasing too few fish.
 

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The comercial fisherman will target any thing thet can sell even if only for a few pennies lets face it the fish cost them nothing they dont breed or feed them all they do is catch and kill IF NOT FOR FOOD THEN POT BAIT IF NOT POT BAIT THEN FERTILZER

A good example of how commercial fisher work wil be seen in the south west mackerel fishery in the next few weeks at the moment they can make a days wages from 10-15 stone of mackerel but in a few weeks time they will have to catct 100 stone a day to make the same money if they are lucky the more they catch the less they get mackerel 10 a kilo but they still keep flooding the market
somebody must be gettig rich the fish dont get any cheaper in tesco
 
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