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hi all i know sea bass is farmed,i wonder if all countries,could do this with all sea fish,then introduce them to restock the worlds oceans on a mega scale,what do you guys think,it could be the answer to stop world hunger,and decent sport for us,tight lines,rammses.:secret: :g: :boat: :clap3:
 

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i think it may help, with the farming of certian spieces on a mass scale.

it may be the way to go in the future.
 

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halibats farmed on the west coast of scotland i also think shetland does cod farming aswell
 

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There are serious problems with this if salmon farming is anything to go by.

You probably know about the levels of localised pollution and disease caused by salmon farms. A bigger, but possibly less well known, problem is that it takes about 3 tons of wild caught fish to produce 1 ton of farmed salmon. Much of the feed is made up of sandeels and other species low down the food chain and their removal from the ecosystem has a serious impact on the wild fish that depend on them.
 

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There are now inland sea-fish farms where the sea-water is recyled and the sludge removed to use as fertiliser. The next problem is to breed and farm the feed-stock.
 

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There are now inland sea-fish farms where the sea-water is recyled and the sludge removed to use as fertiliser. The next problem is to breed and farm the feed-stock.
This is bad news! how are they going to manage to pair trawl that far inland, this is bad news for the fishing industry!:nonono:
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National Geographic magazine, April 2007.
Snapperfarm, Puerto Rico Raises cobia from fingerlings to 12 lb adults in a year on a diet of 1/2 grain & 1/2 fish meal - they hope to eventually eliminate fish from the diet.
If that it is possible in our fishfarms we may have a win/win situation.
Easy to grow grain turned into tasty fish protein.
Perhaps growing more green stuff would help avoid Global warming as well?:thumbs:
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National Geographic magazine, April 2007.
Snapperfarm, Puerto Rico Raises cobia from fingerlings to 12 lb adults in a year on a diet of 1/2 grain & 1/2 fish meal - they hope to eventually eliminate fish from the diet.
If that it is possible in our fishfarms we may have a win/win situation.
Easy to grow grain turned into tasty fish protein.
Perhaps growing more green stuff would help avoid Global warming as well?:thumbs:
Never a WSF scientist when you need one!

We're in danger of playing with nature again. Dont forget that by feeding cattle with an unnatural (to them) foodstuff, it was food research scientists that inadvertently caused BSE.

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We're in danger of playing with nature again. Dont forget that by feeding cattle with an unnatural (to them) foodstuff, it was food research scientists that inadvertently caused BSE.

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When we moved from being 'hunter/gatherers' we started playing with nature.
Trawling is the most destructive, wasteful form of that primitive hunting.
Farming is the only way to feed our growing population.
We either do it responsibly or the human species dies out.
The only other way is to reduce the human population. I think a few people might object to that.:g:
 

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Farming millions of tons of sandeel is a rediculus concept.
Wake up and smell the coffee!!!


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Self contained recirculation systems are nothing new. They have been around for many years.
They are fine for small scall operations, but very exspencive to set up initially.
They are typically used to farm turbot or for housing broodstock fish. To set up a fish farm with the aim of restocking the sea; you would need an investment of many many millions of pounds and a truely massive site to build on.
Back to the drawing board me thinks.....
I wasn't talking about raising millions of tons of food to re-stock the sea. but raisng enough to feed the farmed stock to feed humans. We do it very adequately with Beef, Lamb, pork, and poultry, why not fish.
 

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we should move away from the a typical type of fish farming due to detrimental affects it has on wild stocks e.g disease and parasites .

i dont know why we dont go along the same lines as the salmon and seatrout hatcheries we have on some of the larger rivers , collect milt and eggs from whatever species of fish ,rear them on to whatever size is best to avoid predation and release into the sea .

building facilities on a big enough scale to halt the decline of fish stocks would run into the 100 s of millions but surely if we can build stadia or new parliament buildings e.g scottish parlament which cost 450 million plus we can build hatcheries ...

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We're in danger of playing with nature again. Dont forget that by feeding cattle with an unnatural (to them) foodstuff, it was food research scientists that inadvertently caused BSE.

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It was not the research scientists that caused BSE. But rather the decision by the Government to allow Meat Renderers to self regulate. This led to sloppy practices, lower rendering temperatures and short cuts elsewhere. These allowed BSE to passed via treated waste products to cattle feed (when if proper regulation had been enforced I doubt this would have happened).

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'Fish Farming' is solely commercially driven.

There is no re-population of open system, global fisheries which could possibly be effective.

There is only one action available to mass destruction of a finite resource and that is to stop doing it.

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Thats political, conservationist, reactionary, common sense,:clap: which could result in this thread getting closed! Mods to alert!:oops:
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hi all i know sea bass is farmed,i wonder if all countries,could do this with all sea fish,then introduce them to restock the worlds oceans on a mega scale,what do you guys think,it could be the answer to stop world hunger,and decent sport for us,tight lines,rammses.:secret: :g: :boat: :clap3:
They are not called Sea Bass, they are Bass.

Gordon Ramsey might say 'pan fried Sea Bass on a bed of garlic fried potatoes' but what you get is fried BASS and fried spuds. They are Bloody Bass!

Thanks for listening!
 

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i can remrmber seeing matt hays fishing for a great white he got some tuna from a farm in oz for his trip
so why not have a go with things like cod it could work out cheeper and better for wild fish stocks in our seas than being emptyed by boats week in week out
 

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There is a lot of reactionary crap written about fish farming. Yes, there can be problems with fish farms if badly positioned or run, but that is the exception not the rule.
As a former fish farmer i could address every comment on this thread but it would take for ever.
Comments about 3tons of wid fish producing 1 ton of farmed fish are quite true. But bare in mind that in the wild it takes around 5 - 7tons of wild fish to produce 1 ton of non-farmed fish! So, in a world that needs fish, you could almost argue that replacing wild predatory fish with farmed predatory fish saves wild food fish!
The truth is that farmed fish reduce the pressure on wild stocks. The effects of fish farms are very localised, short lived and easily mitigated. The most difficult aspect (environmentaly) its feed supply but technological advances are rapidly improving artificial feeds and reducing the requirement for fishmeal.

As for restocking the wild, i would like to see a situation where all farms release 2x their annual productions (head of fish) as viable post-larval fry. It is feeding of fry upto and just beyond the larval stage that is most difficult but the space and effort of producing 1000000 or 3000000 fry isnt that different - its the ongrowing to market size that determines a huge fish farm.

Those of you that value your sea angling should encourage and support responsible marine aquaculture, it may be the only thing that stops commercial over exploitation of wild stocks. It worked for UK Salmon.
 

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Are you joking? Where can I go to catch wild salmon? Malvinas, UK?

Spot the reactionary crap?

A WWF report reveals that numbers of wild Atlantic salmon have slumped to an all-time low, and urgent action is needed to prevent further irreparable damage.

Across the UK, nearly 50 per cent of salmon rivers are in trouble, and over 30 per cent have endangered populations. Of Northern Ireland's 44 salmon rivers, 30 have populations that are either endangered or vulnerable, and 55 out of 76 salmon rivers in England and Wales are degraded.
In Scotland, the species is endangered in over 30 per cent of salmon rivers.

Among the major threats to wild salmon populations is commercial salmon farming, which threatens to erode the gene pool through inter-breeding with escapees, as well as promoting the spread of parasites and diseases.

One WWF scientist says: ""When a river loses its salmon, that locally specialised population is lost forever. The fate of the species is increasingly becoming a sad story of extinction peppered across Europe. To save wild Atlantic salmon in the long term, governments must restore rivers where salmon is threatened or has disappeared and take action to protect those rivers still hosting healthy populations."

Go take your farmed salmon Mr Gibberish and smoke it!

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i totally agree with you m8 ,i watched a programme years ago where they tagged salmon par that were just leaving the river to start there journey to sea , in the lough just where the river ended was a salmon farm .now the salmon par must have had tiny radio transmitters in them because they were able plot there positions and recapture most of them just as the enter the sea ,what do you think the results were ...... healthy young fish as they entered the lough ,totally cover in parasites as they past the salmon cages ,dead and dying par recaptured at sea .....why the parasites were sucking the life out of the tiny buggers ...


now on the years recorded since the salmon farm had opened there was a steady decrease in numbers of salmon running back up the river ,and in the same year as the programme was made the fish counter on the river had recorded only 2 fish returning that year ...

you can draw your own conclusions from this but i know what mine are ..

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i totally agree with you m8 ,i watched a programme years ago where they tagged salmon par that were just leaving the river to start there journey to sea , in the lough just where the river ended was a salmon farm .now the salmon par must have had tiny radio transmitters in them because they were able plot there positions and recapture most of them just as the enter the sea ,what do you think the results were ...... healthy young fish as they entered the lough ,totally cover in parasites as they past the salmon cages ,dead and dying par recaptured at sea .....why the parasites were sucking the life out of the tiny buggers ...


now on the years recorded since the salmon farm had opened there was a steady decrease in numbers of salmon running back up the river ,and in the same year as the programme was made the fish counter on the river had recorded only 2 fish returning that year ...

you can draw your own conclusions from this but i know what mine are ..

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2 points to consider.

A/ There has been a general decrease in all traditionally valuable species and that includes salmon, most of which are caught at sea.

B/ How many salmon would be around if salmon farms had never been invented? They would just about have been fished to extinction, look at fish like Skate and Halibut in UK waters.
Look at the rivers that are restocked with farmed smolts, can you imagine the price of salmon if farmed fish weren't available? Every UK river would be poached to extinction.
 
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