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Hi all. Thought my recent newbie intro post was probably more relevant in this section so have pasted it below.

Hello all from an aspiring boat ownerHi all, great forum, been lurking for a while.

Been fishing in all its guises all my life but its more the boating info on this forum that is of interest.

Love sea fishing and piking and have ALWAYS wanted to get a small boat but all the horror stories and uncertainty have kept me away.

Have had many quality charter sessions off whitby over the years with most of the boats there. Nothing like conscientiously preparing for a 7am whitby start by getting horribly drunk the night before and turning up green, just to get that look in the skippers eye as he looks you up and down and nods his head knowingly. But turning up with 30kg of home made jiggers in a battered 1970s british airways bag usually wins at least a bit of respect.

Anyway I digress, thinking of a small boat. Might buy new. Easily transportable and launchable by one person is important. I keep seeing people who buy then quickly upgrade to a bigger boat whats the score there?. I dont mind waiting for good weather to get a few miles off shore small is currently good for me but am open to advice, currently the seaswift 435 with cuddy is attractive, also looking at endeavour, predator, seahog (trio/seajeep).

As a paraglider Im used to waiting for good weather to indulge hobbies and wouldnt want to be able to go out in all conditions and also fresh water use is pretty important.

Anyway. Thanks for reading and any advice greatly appreciated.

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What is your maximum budget, inc electronics and safety gear?
Do you want a fast boat that will get you out 20 miles in an hour or less, or do you want a slower but more comfortable one which would be cheaper to run but probably restrict you to within 10 miles or so of port?
Any further information you can give will help us to advise:thumbs:
 

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Pirate 18 ticks all your boxes. Probably the best built sub 18' boat. Not cheap though.
If your on more of a budget Alaska 500 XL made by Sea Hog is a very good buy and an excellent boat, about £7500 for a 6-8 year old.
 

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Your short list includes quite a range of sizes - probably more than you imagine - the difference between an Endeavour 500 and a Seahog Trio/Seaswift 435 (same boat BTW which has also been sold as a CJR 14), whilst not that great on land, will feel massive at sea. The Predator whilst having similar dimensions to the Endeavour has quite a bit smaller 'feel' to the interior of the boat. You could also look for an Explorer Elite, which is the same boat as the Endeavour apart from the window shape. The Explorer/Endeavour hull is one that punches above its weight and will feel more like an 18-19ft boat at sea.

The obvious other alternative to the Explorer/Endeavour and Predator, and the most common and therefore easier to find is the Warrior 165, but again feels a bit smaller inside than the Endeavour/Explorer, and Warrior sellers generally seem to ask more optimistic prices.

There's not a huge amount between any of the 16.5 ft fast fisher cuddy boats though, so your choice might be decided by the rest of the package if you're looking for a used boat, the engine being the most important of course.
 

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if your looking at the sea swift you could do alot worse than getting a cjr. ive got one, they are 14.5ft long, nice small cuddy for storing your gear etc. pretty quick with a smallish engine, got a 30hp on mine and it does 22 knots. best of all they are light and and i can launch mine on my own. they have high freeboard aswell making them a nice safe boat.

i go out of langstone harbour and regulary fish 8/10 miles out in decent condtions. cracking little boats, perfect for 2 blokes fishing.
 

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if your looking at the sea swift you could do alot worse than getting a cjr. ive got one, they are 14.5ft long, nice small cuddy for storing your gear etc. pretty quick with a smallish engine, got a 30hp on mine and it does 22 knots. best of all they are light and and i can launch mine on my own. they have high freeboard aswell making them a nice safe boat.

i go out of langstone harbour and regulary fish 8/10 miles out in decent condtions. cracking little boats, perfect for 2 blokes fishing.
i agree mate,as i have a cjr very light boat but slams abit
 

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most boats do mate at speed. catherdral hulls are known for it. i just ease of the throttle tho if its to choppy.

my mate owns a 30ft, 6 ton boat, when he puts the trottle down than slams aswell lol.
 

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only been out twice for the cod, but weve had 5, biggest 27lb. but they were by a mark called utopia. gilkicker has produced a few but i try to saty clear of the solent as its so weedy. east of the nab by the fingers seems to be the hot spot at present but they are moving inshore.
 

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Hey guys thanks a lot for the replys. Opinions from real boat owners whove been there and done it are priceless really. I may be going halves with a good friend which would obviously affect the budget, for budget probably 10k ish for boat and engine.

Think I'd rather buy brand new smaller than older bigger boat for extra piece of mind.

@skillpot -Thanks for letting me know the cjr, seaswift 435 and trio are all the same boat. Will include the cjr in my shortlist. I didnt imagine you could get 10 miles off shore easily on one of these boats even in good conditions
so I think at this stage these would still be top of my list. Bearing in mind I'd plan to be launching regularly from the trailer into lakes as well and occasionally alone this still seems like a good bet but of course open to any other suggestions.
Also the fact you can get about with a smaller 25-30hp motor.

Probably should just search on here but would be interested in any info on legally mandatory courses / qualificatons / equipment for going out to sea or even just recommended ones.

Thnks again.
 

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Hey guys thanks a lot for the replys. Opinions from real boat owners whove been there and done it are priceless really. I may be going halves with a good friend which would obviously affect the budget, for budget probably 10k ish for boat and engine.

Think I'd rather buy brand new smaller than older bigger boat for extra piece of mind.

@skillpot -Thanks for letting me know the cjr, seaswift 435 and trio are all the same boat. Will include the cjr in my shortlist. I didnt imagine you could get 10 miles off shore easily on one of these boats even in good conditions
so I think at this stage these would still be top of my list. Bearing in mind I'd plan to be launching regularly from the trailer into lakes as well and occasionally alone this still seems like a good bet but of course open to any other suggestions.
Also the fact you can get about with a smaller 25-30hp motor.

Probably should just search on here but would be interested in any info on legally mandatory courses / qualificatons / equipment for going out to sea or even just recommended ones.

Thnks again.

ive been 16 miles out in my cjr 32 mile round trip to the bullock back i have a 40hp on it so it doesnt take long to get there and back they also handle quite a bad sea i have first hand expierience of this lol
 

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For a £10 k budget, you can get a substantial amount of good boat and engine these days.
Don't be swayed into buying dross by scheming opportunists frantic to unload their mistakes on you.
For that sort of dough, a truly formidable outfit could be obtained, eg; Orkney Fastliner 19, maybe a touch old, but an excellent tough bit of kit in any thinking sea anglers book, and swift with it.
Cheers,
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Hey guys thanks a lot for the replys. Opinions from real boat owners whove been there and done it are priceless really. I may be going halves with a good friend which would obviously affect the budget, for budget probably 10k ish for boat and engine.

Think I'd rather buy brand new smaller than older bigger boat for extra piece of mind.
For your budget you would get a recent 16.5ft boat (list of the common ones already mentioned) that would have a newish EFi engine with electronics already installed and properly set up - plenty enough for peace of mind - e.g. http://fishing.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/fishing-boats/warrior-165-honda-75-GOM066 - with a new-tech engine that's just one year old, this outfit for example should give you all the peace of mind that a new outfit would.

Before deciding 100% on the smaller option, I would be sure to get out on an example of both sizes - as I said before, the difference between a 14ft boat and a 16.5ft boat feels huge at sea (especially the Endeavour, Explorer, Alska, Warrior etc which all feel like 18ft+ boats) - boats also have a stange habit of shrinking siginificantly once moved from land to sea.

If you go new, bear in mind you will have to buy a lot of gear before you can safely go alfoat - allow £1000 relistically for a basic list of equipment - buying used, you may find a lot of the expensive stuff is included in your £10k budget

Probably should just search on here but would be interested in any info on legally mandatory courses / qualificatons / equipment for going out to sea or even just recommended ones.
Not a lot really - no qualifications legally required, unless you want to use a VHF radio (you'd be daft not to) in which case you need an operator's licence (http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/courses/specialist/Pages/SRC.aspx) - you also need a ship's licence for the radio (http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radiocommunication-licences/ships-radio/)

However, good courses to do would be RYA Powerboat level 2 for a hands-on introduction (http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/courses/powerboat/Pages/Level2.aspx) and Day Skipper theory for understanding tides, weather, rules of the road, introduction to navigation, safety etc (http://www.rya.org.uk/coursestraining/courses/navigation/Pages/Dayskipper.aspx)

Insurance again not legally required, but most launch sites, marinas or harbours will insist you have it - when you think that third party cover is usually £2,000,000 - £3,000,000 it brings home the sense of it being a good idea! Boat insurance is also surprisingly cheap.

In terms of equipment, again the legal requirements are strange - all that you have to have is a radar reflector and a table of lifesaving signals (just print one of these off: http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consu.../@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_185583.pdf) - no legal requirement for lifejackets, anchor, fire extinguishers, compass, charts, calling for help equipment etc - yet of course you should have a full complement of safety gear before going afloat - best thing to do here is to ask the RNLI to visit your boat to advise on what equipment to buy, how to use it, what type of lifejackets to get, how to equip and maintain them etc - they have a scheme called 'Advice Onboard' which is completely free and can be booked online (http://rnli.org/safetyandeducation/stayingsafe/seasafety/Pages/Advice-on-board.aspx)

One other advantage of the courses and RNLI visit is that you get a chance to tap into the knowledge of people who know your local area well.
 
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