until andy1965,prompted me 3 years ago,to try lures,and haven't looked back,mind you...occasionaly experimenting,with a crappy old telescopic rod,and carp reel,with 10lb nylon on..trying to cast the lure,no more than 30yds,in boulder strewn ground!! mine was a rapala j11 jointed..blue silver!! will never forget that 4lb beauty!! don't even possess one now!!...luv this sport!!..oly...