many moons ago the Ganntocks was a prime spot to boat fish, and was the most productive wreck on the clyde ,, Does anyone still fish there, maybe kenny, how is it now,, ganntocks , just of dunoon I mean. maybe spelled it wrong :bangin:
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We gave it a few drifts and the wrecks of the Akka and Champion each side of it nothing and there a post on the sugar boat a wee bit up nothing as well.. Until the prawn boats go and a recovery plan on the Clyde is in place..
Its nothing we are going to catch most times we are out..
Some blame over fishing, prawn and scallop dredging, change in water temperature pollution and such like but the red on this chart are where the prawn boats have been on the Clyde sad reading for more information from RSA and CF have a look at some of the threads on here.. Scotland C + P - World Sea Fishing Forums | Sea Angling and Sea Fishing Online | Fishing Reports
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Its nothing we are going to catch most times we are out..
Some blame over fishing, prawn and scallop dredging, change in water temperature pollution and such like but the red on this chart are where the prawn boats have been on the Clyde sad reading for more information from RSA and CF have a look at some of the threads on here.. Scotland C + P - World Sea Fishing Forums | Sea Angling and Sea Fishing Online | Fishing Reports
Neither prawners nor scallopers fish in wrecks Kenny, mind how you go.We gave it a few drifts and the wrecks of the Akka and Champion each side of it nothing and there a post on the sugar boat a wee bit up nothing as well.. Until the prawn boats go and a recovery plan on the Clyde is in place..
Its nothing we are going to catch most times we are out..
Some blame over fishing, prawn and scallop dredging, change in water temperature pollution and such like but the red on this chart are where the prawn boats have been on the Clyde sad reading for more information from RSA and CF have a look at some of the threads on here.. Scotland C + P - World Sea Fishing Forums | Sea Angling and Sea Fishing Online | Fishing Reports
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As your well aware they dont have to all they have to do is plow all round them but Ill not spoil this thread with the facts of life in the Clyde.. mind your step on the road out .. lol
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Always useful, having Ruth Thurston & Callum Roberts' work to hand, isn't it, Kenny? Saves having to look further...................We gave it a few drifts and the wrecks of the Akka and Champion each side of it nothing and there a post on the sugar boat a wee bit up nothing as well.. Until the prawn boats go and a recovery plan on the Clyde is in place..
Its nothing we are going to catch most times we are out..
Some blame over fishing, prawn and scallop dredging, change in water temperature pollution and such like but the red on this chart are where the prawn boats have been on the Clyde sad reading for more information from RSA and CF have a look at some of the threads on here.. Scotland C + P - World Sea Fishing Forums | Sea Angling and Sea Fishing Online | Fishing Reports
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I am not aware of that at all Kenny, if nobody has been wreck netting with gill or tangle nets only one other possibility.
What's your opinion on the relatively unfished parts shown on your link Kenneth, hundreds of square miles......why has your theory not translated to those huge areas?
Hi Steve
Most of the prawners fishing the upper Clyde are under 10m. Am I not correct in saying that these size of vessels don't have VMS fitted? So their tracks are not shown on the diagram? I think I also saw somewhere that the Scottish under 10m fleet has twice the number of boats as the over 10s ? Although I'm guessing this includes all catching sectors?
Cheers
Stuart
Table 2.6 Number of Scottish based vessels by main fishing method (1) and length group as at 31st December 2011
Length group (metres)
10m & Over
Main fishing method under >10 -12 >12 -15 >15 -24 >24 -40 40 Over 10m Total
Demersal single trawl 18 6 8 76 49 - 139 157
Demersal pair trawl - - - 9 9 1 19 19
Seine net - - - 16 12 - 28 28
Lines 31 - - - 13 2 15 46
Demersal gill nets 4 - - - 5 - 5 9
Demersal twin/mult trawl - - - 9 7 - 16 16
Beam trawl 1 - 1 - 3 1 5 6
Other demersal - - - 1 1 - 2 2
Demersal total 54 6 9 111 99 4 229 283
Purse seine - - - - - 4 4 4
Pelagic trawl - - - - - 20 20 20
Pelagic total - - - - - 24 24 24
Creel fishing 1,285 95 15 8 - - 118 1,403
Nephrops trawl 80 45 46 81 5 - 177 257
Mechanical dredging 16 6 15 38 12 - 71 87
Suction dredging 1 1 1 - - - 2 3
Shell fishing by hand 34 4 - - - - 4 38
Shellfish total 1,416 151 77 127 17 0 372 1,788
Total 1,470 157 86 238 116 28 625 2,095
Don't think the table will post properly, it's from the link 2011 Vessel and Employment Tables
As you can see there are around 80 under 10 prawn trawlers in all of Scotland and over 1,200 potters
The Gantocks rocks off Dunoon
NS1776 : P.S. Waverley once famously ran aground on these rocks. Cloch Lighthouse can be seen across the Clyde.
Hi Stuart,
I hope that you are well, long time no see.
An interesting theory......fishermen the world over always deviate to the best fishing available to them, be they commercial fishermen, recreational fishermen, freshwater fishermen, whatever fishermen....they almost always travel to where it is at....hence why you and the Ayr SAC guys spend so much time travelling down here to SW Scotland to fish those very same waters that you tell us are alleged to be barren.....:g:
Why would these areas on the graph showing little effort be OAL specific, there is no length restriction as such? *
*up to the Clyde 70ft OAL limit obviously.
Some of the less fished areas are indeed in the upper Clyde, however some others are not. Could it be that much of it is simply not prawn ground, just like any other location, much of the Clyde is simply not the right ground, prawns are very ground type specific, but you already know that.
The relatively blank areas are open to vessels of any size. Prawn ground is prawn ground. It seems a somewhat strange reason to my mind, avoiding the areas because you are a certain size despite being perfectly able to fish there no matter what size you are *, why do you think they would do that?
What is your opinion of the closed to mobile gear for decades Gair Loch, it always strikes me as a bit of a fly in the ointment if we are to believe the theory that it is all down to mobile gear, what causes that glaringly obvious anomaly in your opinion, it is something that always intrigues me and others.......:g:
Just had another wee look around that link I posted, there are 14 under 10 metre prawn trawlers administered from Ayr, which includes the Solway.I know a couple of them are based in Stranraer and don't go to the upper Clyde.
I replied to a similar post here
I subsequently caught pollack to 5/6 lbs, pouting, wrasse and codling from the Akka, but it was hard work. It is also popular with divers. There used to be a shot line from the wreck tied to a makeshift buoy that you could tie up to, and when the tide was running you could turn your engine to "steer" to keep you in range of the wreck to fish bait. The ground around the gantocks lighthouse looks fantastic, but only ever threw up small coalies and pollack. It is heavily populated with seals that follow the boat around, and they even come out to the wreck when you are fishing.
If you want to read endless amounts of debate on the state of the Clyde, go to the Scotland C&P section and search "Clyde".
If you're easily depressed, take the meds first..
I subsequently caught pollack to 5/6 lbs, pouting, wrasse and codling from the Akka, but it was hard work. It is also popular with divers. There used to be a shot line from the wreck tied to a makeshift buoy that you could tie up to, and when the tide was running you could turn your engine to "steer" to keep you in range of the wreck to fish bait. The ground around the gantocks lighthouse looks fantastic, but only ever threw up small coalies and pollack. It is heavily populated with seals that follow the boat around, and they even come out to the wreck when you are fishing.
If you want to read endless amounts of debate on the state of the Clyde, go to the Scotland C&P section and search "Clyde".
If you're easily depressed, take the meds first..
Tried to post a reply but by the time I drafted it the web site had unlogged me and I've lost my text!!..... As above plenty of published material and debate on the Clyde already.... Saturday night beckons 
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Ayr is the administration port for them all Kenny, they are part of the dozen under 10's administered from Ayr
Ayr is no longer a fishing port,
the council seen to that , they allowed flats to be built that had to include ridiculous discounts in order to sell them.
the council seen to that , they allowed flats to be built that had to include ridiculous discounts in order to sell them.
Amazingly for a sea angling website some members seem intent on twisting the facts regarding the demise of the Clyde. No matter how many boats of any size are registered to any port within the Clyde area, it is undeniable that constant commercial fishing over many years, not just in the Clyde, but in surrounding water's, caused the lack of fish for anglers. Indeed this is why so few commercial craft fish the Clyde now for anything other than prawn. Their are other factor's of course as to why the Clyde won't recover. Constant fishing over prawn ground's and for razor clams, as well as the lack of sewage in the water, which feeds mussel and worm bed's add to the problem.
Aye it's been a long time since Ayr was a fishing port right enough, it is still the port of administration though - basically means the fisheries officers are based there.
Haven't seen anyone twisting anything on the 'demise' of the Clyde mate, we are talking about now, under 10's were mentioned so I posted factual evidence from the Scottish Government about the number of under 10's.
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