Bob spalding has one with a 420hp yanmar for 21k. Does look like it needs a good clean but i did not think that was too bad for aa 23 footer. Just thought it looked a good boat but not a lot on the net about them.I've seen one of these for sale privately at EssexBoatYards. Didn't say a price though. Looks like a really nice boat. Mean looking flying machine. It had an out drive leg and I'm sure it said something like 340hp on the back. I reckon it would be an expensive piece of kit.
If it's anything like the Powerglide 30 (another overpowered planing hull) it will simply fall over on one chine and scare the pants out of you.Would be fun having 300hp!!just looking at the boat reviews,anyone know anything about the fastbass22??never saw 1 before!
If all what they say on there website is true, i do not understand why they are not more popular, which is my main reason for asking about them. Seems like the origanal ones could have been overpowered but no one seems to have heard they are a bad boat. I can only presume that it is down to poor advertising and or tiny profits.
It says on their website that 300hp is the max hp. I know of 38' 8 ton Evolutions that are powered by less than 420hp through a shaft!Bob spalding has one with a 420hp yanmar for 21k.
my bad, 420 is the model number of the engine...it is only 240hp! silly me.It says on their website that 300hp is the max hp. I know of 38' 8 ton Evolutions that are powered by less than 420hp through a shaft!
Profit margins, advertising and marketing costs etc all lead to loads of boats not making it mainstream like Warriors, Orkneys etc.
When I bought the Aquafish, speaking to Cair Paravel it takes them roughly the same amount of time to build a 23' footer for £30k as it does to build a 30/40 footer for twice the amount and twice the profit.
I spoke to Hardy as they still list the Fishing 24, but they now only do cruisers of 30 foot plus - same reason I suppose.When I bought the Aquafish, speaking to Cair Paravel it takes them roughly the same amount of time to build a 23' footer for £30k as it does to build a 30/40 footer for twice the amount and twice the profit.
but surely the likes of the jens, arvors and the like is similar to an extent. all the hard marketing work is done by the like of dealer networks which are the drivers behind the brand marketing. The main thing these companies are good at is the supply, and they leave the dealers to create the demand. I would be interested to see/know whether these companies make as much profit on bigger boats as the dealers do. I imagine there would be some increase but surely it is relative. Materials and labour cost for a 23 foot boat are surely considerably less than the likes of a 40ft boat. the marketing may cost the same but surely there is the potential to sell more especially has the market for smaller boats must grow at a faster rate than the larger boats."we just build boats, we don't do that marketing stuff." Nuff said.
Perhaps it just comes down to poor business sense, and lack of drive from some of the dealers and boat builders. Eg why does the costal rides website not mention the aquafish?A vast generalisation, but dealers sell and boatbuilders build. Very few boatbuilders seem to be able to market and sell as well as build - different skills, different interests. Unfortunately a good few dealers can't sell either, but that is another matter. Why have Arvour, 'eau and the rest done so well, when their factories are hidden away in another country? Very good marketing.
Cheers Tom, that does make perfect sense. Customer service i think the key thing in what you describe. Unlike most business selling items, it is a lot more involved to get it right. Although it does seem like robbing the rich to pay for the poor...not that it is a bad thing as i am poor.It's actually the other way round.
The dealers do make a living, but the builders have the margins.
The problem with selling smaller boats is that there is only a finite number of customers a boat salesman can "professionally" handle in a year.
I would love to be able to sell 100 or 200 new boats of any size in a year, but my job doesn't stop when the order gets taken (and the sales cycle itself can take literally years with some people). By the point of taking an order, I've usually built up a good relationship with the customer and whilst I do have to transfer certain responsibilities to our admin people and our commissioning team, the customer will always see me as there main contact and will return to me for assistance, questions, advice OR if our aftersales team haven't done something the way they should etc.
Just as an example, even with all of the above, the customer handover alone is a full day of paperwork, boat tour and demonstration followed by tuition and any assistance to see the customer on his way. And that's the smallest boat we produce. Bigger boats can have as much as a weeks handover.
Yes, I bang on about making sure your dealer does a proper job etc, but an individual dealer working the way described above cannot properly deal with 100 or 200 customers per year.
The individual can perhaps sensibly handle up to 50 boat buying customers per year.
If that was small boats alone the company wouldn't make enough to pay the rent and the sales guy would make a tiny commission!
I hope that above doesn't sound harsh, but it is simply the reality.
It's possibly why some of our smaller boats haven't been as widley accepted as certain UK based models.... We don't focus on them.
Those that have taken the time to look over them have usually recognised the differences in build or finish and also appreciate the extensive network for support.
I would love to be able to sell 100's of the smaller boats. As many of you know, I am passionate about them, but I simply wouldn't be able to look after all the customers properly and I'd end up offering as poor support as some other boats suppliers. I don't want to do that.
I have a feeling that the above is the reality throughout the eau dealer network and that will probably trasnfer to other similar boat manufacturers.
I feel sure an arrangement could be reached....:secret:Cheers Tom, that does make perfect sense. Customer service i think the key thing in what you describe. Unlike most business selling items, it is a lot more involved to get it right. Although it does seem like robbing the rich to pay for the poor...not that it is a bad thing as i am poor.
Does this mean if i get 4 people to buy 805 and 900s you can let me have a eau at cost price + £50 for doing the paper work? If i get 8 people to buy large boats do i get a eau free?