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Yup good stuff.

I heard they are after pirates next, Pete :)
 

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Good result :clap:, just a pity they haven't got enough resources to stake out the rest of the south west esturaries which are being netted . It would make life far simpler and easier to report illegal netting if the law was ammended to make ALL netting illegal unless the person using it has a commercial license:nono: that way it would take the onus off the authorities having to prove the users were selling their catch :thumbs:

let the fighting begin:bleh:
 

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Members of the public can report illegal nets and other environmental crimes by calling the Environment Agency’s free 24-hour hotline 0800 80 70 60.
 

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It would make life far simpler and easier to report illegal netting if the law was ammended to make ALL netting illegal unless the person using it has a commercial license:nono: that way it would take the onus off the authorities having to prove the users were selling their catch :thumbs:

let the fighting begin:bleh:
A good point.

The fines need to be much bigger and they should have boats and equipment confiscated too.

And chop their knobs off (maybe that's a bit harsh)
 

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Good result :clap:, just a pity they haven't got enough resources to stake out the rest of the south west esturaries which are being netted . It would make life far simpler and easier to report illegal netting if the law was ammended to make ALL netting illegal unless the person using it has a commercial license:nono: that way it would take the onus off the authorities having to prove the users were selling their catch.

I don't think there is an onus to prove selling the fish, although if unlicensed people are flogging them then the Marine Fisheries Agency I dare say would be interested.
Netting outright is currently illegal on the Fowey & Camel at this timeof the year and then there are local byelaw restrictions after that. Netting Fal is allowed but there are restrictions on the retention of bass and obviously salmon and sea trout.

The key message I hear from the enforcement people is.......
Don't wait to call stuff in. Ring in asap with as much detail as you can.
 

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''The fines need to be much bigger and they should have boats and equipment confiscated too.

And chop their knobs off (maybe that's a bit harsh)!''

A bit harsh maybe!
Apparently these guys had the nets confiscated. A boat wasn't used, the nets were set from the shore at low water.
 

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''The fines need to be much bigger and they should have boats and equipment confiscated too.

And chop their knobs off (maybe that's a bit harsh)!''

A bit harsh maybe!
Apparently these guys had the nets confiscated. A boat wasn't used, the nets were set from the shore at low water.
:headhurt:What if they are WOMEN:headhurt:
 

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Good result :clap:, just a pity they haven't got enough resources to stake out the rest of the south west esturaries which are being netted . It would make life far simpler and easier to report illegal netting if the law was ammended to make ALL netting illegal unless the person using it has a commercial license:nono: that way it would take the onus off the authorities having to prove the users were selling their catch :thumbs:

let the fighting begin:bleh:
The problem is that Salmon don't run up all the rivers and that is all they are interested in. If they was to chase the netters in all the rivers that are after the Bass that would give the sea anglers a bit of confidence in them.
 

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A good point.

The fines need to be much bigger and they should have boats and equipment confiscated too.
They have the power to confiscate any and all equipment related to this criminal activity. They have the authority to sieze not only nets but also vehicles, trailers, boats, electronics and everything used. There are many examples where they have done just that. :bb:

Agree with the fines as well.
 

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They have the power to confiscate any and all equipment related to this criminal activity. They have the authority to sieze not only nets but also vehicles, trailers, boats, electronics and everything used. There are many examples where they have done just that. :bb:

Agree with the fines as well.
Yes indeed the enforcement agencies such as the EA do have the powers but any seizure of equipment has to be proportionate. Rightly or wrongly, the courts would take a dim view and it may even jeopardise a case if very few fish were illegally caught and then the offenders lose a boat and car too. Generally it's the fishing equipment that gets seized unless the offenders were of a persistent nature.

It's also very difficult to find a net, seize that and nab the offenders in one go, given that officers might be on a boat and the offenders may even be in the pub waiting for it to soak. In an ideal world you'd have teams of people out covering every base but in reality it doesn't work like that.

The fines indeed need to be stronger but they're calculated on peoples incomes etc so I think they're restricted. The costs on this case were quite good though.
 

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Yes indeed the enforcement agencies such as the EA do have the powers but any seizure of equipment has to be proportionate. Rightly or wrongly, the courts would take a dim view and it may even jeopardise a case if very few fish were illegally caught and then the offenders lose a boat and car too. Generally it's the fishing equipment that gets seized unless the offenders were of a persistent nature.

It's also very difficult to find a net, seize that and nab the offenders in one go, given that officers might be on a boat and the offenders may even be in the pub waiting for it to soak. In an ideal world you'd have teams of people out covering every base but in reality it doesn't work like that.

The fines indeed need to be stronger but they're calculated on peoples incomes etc so I think they're restricted. The costs on this case were quite good though.

the law is the law on the day they were caught the nets did not hold many fish but it was not a brand new net it had been used before how many fish had it caught in the past all equipment used should be confiscated and burnt

as for the size of the fines being calculated on theit income did they declare the income from illegally caught fish ?

as for teams of people to cover all areas we can all do that every time we see something going on dont ignore it pick up the phone and report it to the E.A. 0800 80 70 60 the more reports they get the more they can do
 

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There's another 'fisherman' up in court this week for netting in the Camel, nets were confiscated but not the boat. The guy is a commercial fisherman, who on the weekends wipes out the bass and mullet in the estuary with 200/300 fathom of net and a punt, without confiscation or substantial fines within a couple of months he'll be back.

At a certain time of the year it is legal for licence holders to drift with a net in the river within restricted parameters, in an unpunished incident, the person in court had no licence and soon was fishing outside these parametres and left a net anchored, only for a fisheries boat to get their prop caught in the net! He escaped unidentified.

The licence holding netters are as ****ed off with the individual as the rest of us.
 

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the law is the law on the day they were caught the nets did not hold many fish but it was not a brand new net it had been used before how many fish had it caught in the past all equipment used should be confiscated and burnt

as for the size of the fines being calculated on theit income did they declare the income from illegally caught fish ?

as for teams of people to cover all areas we can all do that every time we see something going on dont ignore it pick up the phone and report it to the E.A. 0800 70 60 50 the more reports they get the more they can do
OK. So lets address some points............
The net was confiscated and will be burnt. How would one prove past catches? Impossible. How do you know it was used before?

Would you as a defendant, in a court of law declare your illegal earnings? No. This is always going to be the first time. Almost impossible to prove otherwise.

The EA number is 0800 807060. Not 70 60 50!
 

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There's another 'fisherman' up in court this week for netting in the Camel, nets were confiscated but not the boat. The guy is a commercial fisherman, who on the weekends wipes out the bass and mullet in the estuary with 200/300 fathom of net and a punt, without confiscation or substantial fines within a couple of months he'll be back.

At a certain time of the year it is legal for licence holders to drift with a net in the river within restricted parameters, in an unpunished incident, the person in court had no licence and soon was fishing outside these parametres and left a net anchored, only for a fisheries boat to get their prop caught in the net! He escaped unidentified.

Out of interest, when was this unpunished incident?
 

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i totally agree that illegal netting is terrible but no one knows what these peoples circumstances were , illegal netting has been going on forever sometimes for very good reason, perhaps those reasons have started to re appear after all i doubt with the threat of thousand £ fine or possibly prison hanging over their heads these people were doing it just for a laugh
 

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Fines should be just that Fines! i.e. punnishment for crime committed :busted_co Regardless of income or circumstance, the bigger the fine, the less they'll want to do it again!

Burn the gear and throw the book at them, without any pause for thought!
 

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Fines should be just that Fines! i.e. punnishment for crime committed :busted_co Regardless of income or circumstance, the bigger the fine, the less they'll want to do it again!

Burn the gear and throw the book at them, without any pause for thought!
Dont burn the gear!!!! Give it to me and i will make sure its used legally and responsbly!!!!!:bleh::bleh::bleh::thumbs:
 
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