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In Bulgaria (The Black Sea) when the fishing is slow the boat fishermen use a long line (or rope) with 50 baited hooks on it, anchored to the bottom for few hours, to catch sharks and turbot.
Is this method allowed in the UK?
 
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I think you will find that Jamie was being a little sarcastic.

It is called Longlining and not something that an angler would do.

Angling and fishing are two different things.
Angling is a sport that may turn up a few fish for the pot and the "angler" will have fun catching them.
Fishing is usually about hauling as many fish from the sea as possible with little regard to how this is achieved.
Fishing can be done commercially (with a license to sell the catch), illegally (selling the catch without a license), privately (keeping the catch yourself).

Personally, I feel angling is much more fun than fishing and you will find that a skillful angler will usually catch far better quality fish than the average private fisherman.

All just an opinion....
 

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Vlad! Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap you naughty naughty boy!!!

As Tom says long lineing is a commercial activity and very definately not a sporting one. So as the Fat Lady sings 'Don't even go there'

BUT more to the point is your personal safety. Long lining ain't as simple as it looks. A large degree of skill is needed to bait and lay the line/hooks up in a tray so the whole line feeds out, and if this process is dangerous you aint seen nuttin' yet! Hauling back in one has to contend with bare hooks whizing around, if your lucky fish flaping and tangling the line and hooks the weight of the anchor used to hold the lot on the sea bed etc etc. AND you are thinking of doing this in a bobbing INFLATABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't even try it. Not only will you alienate the sports anglers that see you doing this but you could (almost certainly) end up in serious pain with a leg or arm full of hooks that are trying to drag you over the side.

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Who once was lucky enough to go out as a guest on an Icelandic line fisher and see them haul in a score or more of 'kin huge Halibut.
 

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See there is a need for the conservation forum,think of the numbers of posts this would generate on there!It would keep us going for months!
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Vlad! Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap you boy!!!

As Tom says long lineing is a commercial activity and very definately not a sporting one. So as the Fat Lady sings 'Don't even go there'

BUT more to the point is your afety. Long lining ain't as simple as it looks. A large degree of skill is needed to bait and lay the line/hooks up in a tray so the whole line feeds out, and if this process is dangerous you aint seen nuttin' yet! Hauling back in one has to contend with bare hooks whizing around, if your lucky fish flaping and tangling the line and hooks the weight of the anchor used to hold the lot on the sea bed etc etc. AND you are thinking of doing this in a bobbing INFLATABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't even try it. Not only will you alienate the sports anglers that see you doing this but you could (almost certainly) end up in serious pain with a leg or arm full of hooks that are trying to drag you over the side.

Afishionado

Who once was lucky enough to go out as a guest on an Icelandic line fisher and see them haul in a score or more of 'kin huge Halibut.
well said that man,use rod line more out it shaggy
 

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I think you will find that Jamie was being a little sarcastic.

It is called Longlining and not something that an angler would do.

Angling and fishing are two different things.
Angling is a sport that may turn up a few fish for the pot and the "angler" will have fun catching them.
Fishing is usually about hauling as many fish from the sea as possible with little regard to how this is achieved.
Fishing can be done commercially (with a license to sell the catch), illegally (selling the catch without a license), privately (keeping the catch yourself).

Personally, I feel angling is much more fun than fishing and you will find that a skillful angler will usually catch far better quality fish than the average private fisherman.

All just an opinion....
what an excellent post giving advice and a point of view without being condescending or insulting (not that any on this thread have).

nice one tom
also Afishionado for the safety aspects

i must admit when i saw this the first words that sprang to my litlle mind were "innnnncommmmming!!!"



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Thanks for the explanation guys!
I do not intend to do anything like this longlining from my inflatable.
I asked the question because in the Bulgarian sea fishing forum there is a discussion on the topic. After Bulgaria joined the EU in January, the government prohibited the long lining in the Bulgarian territorial waters. Somebody mentioned that Bulgaria is the only member of EU to do this. I wanted to find out what is the situation with this longlining in the UK. I've never seen anybody doing it so I presumed it is banned. Looks like I was wrong.
 

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Thanks for the explanation guys!
I do not intend to do anything like this longlining from my inflatable.
I asked the question because in the Bulgarian sea fishing forum there is a discussion on the topic. After Bulgaria joined the EU in January, the government prohibited the long lining in the Bulgarian territorial waters. Somebody mentioned that Bulgaria is the only member of EU to do this. I wanted to find out what is the situation with this longlining in the UK. I've never seen anybody doing it so I presumed it is banned. Looks like I was wrong.
So what's the sea fishing like around Bugaria Vlad? I must admit I have never though about fishing there.
 

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Hi Rajabatis!
The fishing there is mainly for scud, mullet, garfish, gobies and flatfish using light gear.
 

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Use to go longlining a number of years ago (over 20). Sport angling with a rod and line, longlining to top up the freezer. There is room for both!

As far as lots of hooks laying around, we use to have a line with no hools attached. The hooks were all on a short trace (approx 2' long) with a clip attached. To lay the line, one end had a weight or small anchor which was dropped from the boat. Line payed out attaching the hooks at regular intervals and the final end attached to the boat anchor. Once you have finished angling, pull up your anchor, retrieve the longline (removing the hooks as you go) and possibly add to the fish for the freezer.

I was advised the other day that longlines are no longer leagal. Dont know if this is true, but hopefully these days I can afford to buy any fish I cant catch...
 

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Bloody amazing the internet!!
I was Google-ing Bulgaria and The Black Sea etc looking to see what sea fish they had in that area. Well apparantly one of the favourite food/sport fish is The Black Sea Bass. A fish that is found far and wide in our oceans.
Wickedpida give the fishes name in many languages.......
So here's the Blooming Heck! bit.

Japanese for Bass is........ Suzuki! Well slap my bum with a wet kipper!!

(Michael Cane appears stage left and says ...) An' not many people know that!
 

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Use to go longlining a number of years ago (over 20). Sport angling with a rod and line, longlining to top up the freezer. There is room for both!

As far as lots of hooks laying around, we use to have a line with no hools attached. The hooks were all on a short trace (approx 2' long) with a clip attached. To lay the line, one end had a weight or small anchor which was dropped from the boat. Line payed out attaching the hooks at regular intervals and the final end attached to the boat anchor. Once you have finished angling, pull up your anchor, retrieve the longline (removing the hooks as you go) and possibly add to the fish for the freezer.

I was advised the other day that longlines are no longer leagal. Dont know if this is true, but hopefully these days I can afford to buy any fish I cant catch...
Hi I used to do the same with my dad, We would go flounder fishing in an estuary, rod & line. As the tide receded we put ot a line of baits. Fished on rod and line. The tide would flood covering the baited lines and If the rods got nothing the lines usually did or vice versa. We would pull them in and take a few and spike them on a stick, get a fire going and cook them in the sand dunes nearby. We would camp overnight and do the same next day.
I would not hesitate to do the same with my lads today.
 

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nope longlineing is prefectly legal and will remain to be as long as it remains to be the most eco-freindly form of fishing i,e no nets littering the sea bed ect

i do not recomend any one who has never seen the longlineing prosess done and watched verry carfully to so much as contemplait it not pleasent going into hospital with a hook through your hand,arm,leg,nostril and variouse other places

the following are COMMERCIAL LONGLINE-ING PHOTOS

these are some of my work photos i apologise to any one who dislikes these pics but i feel that they may aid people in understanding more about longline-ing







 

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Nothing wrong with longlining its been going on since the year. and like whats been said earlier on the thread it is indeed the most eco-friendly way to fish. It can be done with just a couple of hooks to 000s from the shore or boat. Tricky hauling and shooting afloat though.
 

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Pathfinder, watch out pal, I get the feeling there's some incoming after them pics! The ones I've always seen in the past have been in circular tubs rather than typical fish bins though, hooks 'clipped' to the rims so they can easily shoot the lines.

Got to agree with some of the post here though saying that longlining is one of the better (and certainly least damaging) methods of commercial fishing. The seabed stays in the same state it was before the lines were laid and bycatch and undersize fish are reduced significantly.

I went out on a charter boat 15+yrs back and we slung out a line at the start of the day, damn good job too as we only had one codling between the whole boat. The longline however provided each of us with 2 decent cod each. Enough for the pot and no more.

Wouldn't consider using one myself, but if all commercial fishing went this way then I think we would see an easing of the fish stock crisis at least.
 

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Pathfinder, watch out pal, I get the feeling there's some incoming after them pics! The ones I've always seen in the past have been in circular tubs rather than typical fish bins though, hooks 'clipped' to the rims so they can easily shoot the lines.

Got to agree with some of the post here though saying that longlining is one of the better (and certainly least damaging) methods of commercial fishing. The seabed stays in the same state it was before the lines were laid and bycatch and undersize fish are reduced significantly.

I went out on a charter boat 15+yrs back and we slung out a line at the start of the day, damn good job too as we only had one codling between the whole boat. The longline however provided each of us with 2 decent cod each. Enough for the pot and no more.

Wouldn't consider using one myself, but if all commercial fishing went this way then I think we would see an easing of the fish stock crisis at least.
In the 1800s Newhaven (Firth of Forth) longline fishermen lobbied parliamemt to try and stop the introduction of net fishing. All fishing for any species was up till then from that port line only. This was done from little cobles with a single sail.

The fishermen then were more astute than modern couterparts it seems. They realise that trawling would over harvest the areas they fished. The lobby was unsuccessful and ultimately the longliners forecast was correct, and the longlining gradually became a waste of time.
 

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Got to agree with some of the post here though saying that longlining is one of the better (and certainly least damaging) methods of commercial fishing. The seabed stays in the same state it was before the lines were laid and bycatch and undersize fish are reduced significantly.
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Wouldn't consider using one myself, but if all commercial fishing went this way then I think we would see an easing of the fish stock crisis at least.
Benthic longlining around this country may usually be fairly conservation-friendly (not always though - have a hunt for "spurdog" on this web site and see what has happened . . .and will happen again . . . to them in the lochs of N.W. Scotland, thanks to a single Grimsby specialised longliner) but WorldWide , midwater longlining is a disaster !

It will be the main cause of extinction of several species of Albatross, Turtles and Marlin and also of Bluefin Tuna.
And several of those species will be extinct (or very rare indeed, and endangered) within a couple of decades. Maybe even before 2020.

Pessimistically, but realistically ...
 

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but WorldWide , midwater longlining is a disaster !

It will be the main cause of extinction of several species of Albatross, Turtles and Marlin and also of Bluefin Tuna.


Very good point! One to get you thinking.
 
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