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Now its common knoledge that some things (fishing tackle) are made in the same factory and of the same quality but sold at different prices depending on which brand lable they are.

So, if you actually know of two identicle products sold at vastly different prices, why not let the rest of us know?
 

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What you have to be very careful about here is that what looks the same at first glance isn't always the same inside. Also just because a physically the same product is sold at two different prices with two different badges on doesn't mean you are getting the same product in reality .... if one example is sold by a company in malaysia and one in the UK then part of what you will be paying for in the UK is that better customer service will be expected and that they are bound by stricter consumer laws ... that backup doesn't come free and a UK company will have to include the cost in their overheads. Most people think that labour rates are the only reason that a lot of oversees manufacturers (ie China, Singapore Malaysia) can sell to the UK so cheap but the other main one is that they get very little comeback and generally don't have to provide the customer service and are not bound by the same strict consumer law. Also because these "contracted out" products are all coming from the same factories you also have a situation where size of purchase really matters ... the more you buy the cheaper the price hence smaller companies selling smaller numbers will mostly sell the same thing for more even though they may be actually making less profit than the big boys. On a final note I think I would be reluctant to start dissing these companys .... ultimately it's western consumers to blame for this situation .... if you lot didn't buy the stuff, they wouldn't sell it - you have yourselves to blame. I've lost count how many times I've heard the old "we want quality products and don't mind paying the price" but the first (mostly) British reel made for years was moaned about constantly because of the price!
 

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What you have to be very careful about here is that what looks the same at first glance isn't always the same inside. Also just because a physically the same product is sold at two different prices with two different badges on doesn't mean you are getting the same product in reality .... if one example is sold by a company in malaysia and one in the UK then part of what you will be paying for in the UK is that better customer service will be expected and that they are bound by stricter consumer laws ... that backup doesn't come free and a UK company will have to include the cost in their overheads. Most people think that labour rates are the only reason that a lot of oversees manufacturers (ie China, Singapore Malaysia) can sell to the UK so cheap but the other main one is that they get very little comeback and generally don't have to provide the customer service and are not bound by the same strict consumer law. Also because these "contracted out" products are all coming from the same factories you also have a situation where size of purchase really matters ... the more you buy the cheaper the price hence smaller companies selling smaller numbers will mostly sell the same thing for more even though they may be actually making less profit than the big boys. On a final note I think I would be reluctant to start dissing these companys .... ultimately it's western consumers to blame for this situation .... if you lot didn't buy the stuff, they wouldn't sell it - you have yourselves to blame. I've lost count how many times I've heard the old "we want quality products and don't mind paying the price" but the first (mostly) British reel made for years was moaned about constantly because of the price!
Quite possibly one of the best posts I've read for a while :) Well said!
 

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What you have to be very careful about here is that what looks the same at first glance isn't always the same inside. Also just because a physically the same product is sold at two different prices with two different badges on doesn't mean you are getting the same product in reality .... if one example is sold by a company in malaysia and one in the UK then part of what you will be paying for in the UK is that better customer service will be expected and that they are bound by stricter consumer laws ... that backup doesn't come free and a UK company will have to include the cost in their overheads. Most people think that labour rates are the only reason that a lot of oversees manufacturers (ie China, Singapore Malaysia) can sell to the UK so cheap but the other main one is that they get very little comeback and generally don't have to provide the customer service and are not bound by the same strict consumer law. Also because these "contracted out" products are all coming from the same factories you also have a situation where size of purchase really matters ... the more you buy the cheaper the price hence smaller companies selling smaller numbers will mostly sell the same thing for more even though they may be actually making less profit than the big boys. On a final note I think I would be reluctant to start dissing these companys .... ultimately it's western consumers to blame for this situation .... if you lot didn't buy the stuff, they wouldn't sell it - you have yourselves to blame. I've lost count how many times I've heard the old "we want quality products and don't mind paying the price" but the first (mostly) British reel made for years was moaned about constantly because of the price!
Hence why I said two Identicle products, as in not just look the same :)
Reading another recent post it was made clear that a lot of the mono line sold is exactly the same but sold at vastly different prices depending on what badge was on it!
 

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"Most people think that labour rates are the only reason that a lot of oversees manufacturers (ie China, Singapore Malaysia) can sell to the UK so cheap but the other main one is that they get very little comeback and generally don't have to provide the customer service and are not bound by the same strict consumer law."

Erm Kia, LG, Samsung
 

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K2 red metal twin tip, penn affinity twin tip, (the first ones after penn became pure fishing) even the eyes were identicule.
K2 blue metal Im sure became one of the abu hellbenders.
ron thompson stratocaster zziplex
more shocking really is the mk2 blag, such as daiwa stunt with sandstorms etc
and shakey did try and pull it off too,
new graphics new advert, more edgy same fking rod underneath for an extra 50 quid.
who made the blanks for the ian golds rods ?
 

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K2 red metal twin tip, penn affinity twin tip, (the first ones after penn became pure fishing) even the eyes were identicule.
K2 blue metal Im sure became one of the abu hellbenders.
ron thompson stratocaster zziplex
more shocking really is the mk2 blag, such as daiwa stunt with sandstorms etc
and shakey did try and pull it off too,
new graphics new advert, more edgy same fking rod underneath for an extra 50 quid.
who made the blanks for the ian golds rods ?
Did the sandstorm not become Mk 2 because they made changes because of a fault in the original & the k2 had to become something else because of a legal wrangle over the use of the wording k2 if you do a google search the documentation can be found explaining it all for you.Though you may need to be a lawyer to understand it all i sure couldn't make head or tail of it just a load of legal bum ff .Surely you didn't expect they'd destroy all the k2 blanks they already had & it was well publicized when you saw them advertised as Hellbender (Shakespeare k2 in brackets) at the side of the advert so i wouldnt say that was an attempt to decieve
 

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Is it really exposing anything other than our vanity for wanting branded goods? You'll have real issues being absolutely certain that two products are indentical unless you work for both companies, or the manufacturer, all of which are quite unlikely. If you do then go accusing companies of having identical products on here you need to make sure you can back up claims or you could find yourself in hot water.

Find kit you like, with the quality you want at the price you're happy to pay. Simples!
 

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"Most people think that labour rates are the only reason that a lot of oversees manufacturers (ie China, Singapore Malaysia) can sell to the UK so cheap but the other main one is that they get very little comeback and generally don't have to provide the customer service and are not bound by the same strict consumer law."Erm Kia, LG, Samsung
Since when did they do fishing tackle?The electronics industry is a whole different ball game and in actual fact they are all selling bits and bobs to each other or licencing innovations to other companies for use in their products .... the electronic industry and the tackle industry are like chalk and cheese.
 

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Since when did they do fishing tackle?The electronics industry is a whole different ball game and in actual fact they are all selling bits and bobs to each other or licencing innovations to other companies for use in their products .... the electronic industry and the tackle industry are like chalk and cheese.
was going to say, thought you were talking in general. most parts inside iphones and ipads are made by Samsung.
 

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Interesting thread. BTW nearly all washing up liquids were at one time being made by just two manufacturers. Dunno now though.
 

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Shirleycodlin, this is the reason i didn't name brands in my other posting except for the publicly known ones. You have to be 200% sure before putting a name to a item as if your wrong i could cost the poster a few quid in court. I know a few trade suppliers that are on this site and others that just read the posting on this and other sites to gain feedback on their products. With a bit of work and research on the net and at fairs you will be able to find the information.
I'm sure that if i said Zziplex blanks were all made by Zebco, obviously there not and this rumour spread it would properly cost Mr Carrol sales but boost Zebco's and in turn i think i would end up in court for ruining a companies reputation and spreading malicious lies.
 

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Shirleycodlin, this is the reason i didn't name brands in my other posting except for the publicly known ones. You have to be 200% sure before putting a name to a item as if your wrong i could cost the poster a few quid in court. I know a few trade suppliers that are on this site and others that just read the posting on this and other sites to gain feedback on their products. With a bit of work and research on the net and at fairs you will be able to find the information.
I'm sure that if i said Zziplex blanks were all made by Zebco, obviously there not and this rumour spread it would properly cost Mr Carrol sales but boost Zebco's and in turn i think i would end up in court for ruining a companies reputation and spreading malicious lies.
Get your drift. I was rather hoping that someone from within the industry would come out and tell the truth. Guess every one is not as up front as me? It just annoys me to see people potentially being ripped off :(
For some it makes sense to push out overpriced gear, for others that tell it like it is, they are guaranteed my business just for being honest.

For example, I buy Zziplex because I know that is built in the uk and that another company is not getting the same blanks and renaming them. I by Avet for a simmila reason.

I dont want to by a 'top of the range' rod or reel only to find the same one with a budget sticker on it. Am I making sense or have I lost the plot again as usuall!!:roll1:

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No Shirl don't think you've lost the plot just yet. I think it would take a very disgruntle employee to kiss and tell to a open forum. I'll let you into two trade secrets Zziplex are made in the underworld by little elf's that hide in Terry's cupboard and it has been rumoured that a Zippy once bent whilst casting.
 

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I dont want to by a 'top of the range' rod or reel only to find the same one with a budget sticker on it. Am I making sense or have I lost the plot again as usuall!!:roll1:Shirl
That isn't going to happen quite frankly (well not the way things are at the moment) ..... the whole principle behind the "badgeing" of rods and reels is based on producing products cheaper and that lends itself to those products at the mid/lower end of the scale .... products are designed once and sold by many different companies across a wider market. Its far from being a new concept quite frankly and I think people are pretty nieve if they hadn't realised how normal it is in industry. You talk about hooks, lines, reels, washing machines etc ... all these products cost a lot of cash to tool up for and in an ever competitive market place it makes good sense to get a company that specialises in that particular product to actually make you what you want ... ultimately most reels would be pretty much the same anyway and you can order different specs on your badged product. Ultimately here as I said its down to you lot .... you demanded the cheaper prices and that has been a fact for decades ... and the costs of one company (take sakuma for instance) suddenly tooling up a factory to produce every product, line, hooks, beads etc would be way above the practical .... also probably half the plant would sit idle at any one time as the production gear would most likely outstrip their own demands ... that would in turn put up their price and again the western consumer would moan. From a personal point of veiw I think that companies like ABU that had a production base and a home manufacturing supply set up solely for their own product have shot themselves in the foot .... they lost part of what they were and became also-rans when they "contracted out" ..... they probably had to change to survive but i think they chose wrong in following the path to China, Indonesia etc. AVET to some degree have proved the point that you can provided a "Home" product and compete in the market place ... the "Made in USA" label and the bold statement about exactly where they are manufactured and where component parts come from certainly seems to keep their brand a healthy one.
 

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Interesting thread. BTW nearly all washing up liquids were at one time being made by just two manufacturers. Dunno now though.
Not quite. All washing up liquids, and also shampoo, handwash, car shampoo etc contain pretty much the same base ingredient which is made by only a handful of chemical blenders. I forget what it's called but it's a very long name. :D
 
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