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Recently learnt that flatfish prey on gobies. I'm now wondering if you could livebait gobies/blennies/small fish etc. for Flounder or Plaice.
Has anyone ever tried this or could provide me with further information?
Any other unusual baits for flatfish?
 

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They would have to be tiny and probably wouldnt survive the cast needed to get them out to the fish. Especially for plaice. Better to use a worm bait tipped with mackerel belly or squid or even a live prawn or shrimp.
 

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Maybe i should have specified i have a little dinghy which i use for fishing and maybe it would work just dropping the livebait on the side... I'd be fishing about 10 metres or so in this little bay surrounded by rock, there's quite a few flounder roaming about and i even caught a tiny plaice.
I'm quite curious in using live shrimp, I'd maybe even catch a few bonus species.... I think I'll try that out next week!
Thanks for the info
Tight lines!
 

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Had a few Plaice on small live sandeel when after Turbot .
I should think that any livebait used on Flounder ground would get mini Bassed first .

Lrf and a soft mini worm should do the trick if water conditions allow.
 

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Had a few Plaice on small live sandeel when after Turbot .
I should think that any livebait used on Flounder ground would get mini Bassed first .

Lrf and a soft mini worm should do the trick if water conditions allow.
Right so Plaice would eat live sandeels, does anyone think that Flatfish would eat frozen sandeels?
I don't have to worry about catching little bass: we don't even get any Bass where I live :unsure:....

So far I think I'll stick to lugworms for now, but I'll try shrimp one of these days... Or maybe even sandeels!
 

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Right so Plaice would eat live sandeels, does anyone think that Flatfish would eat frozen sandeels?
I don't have to worry about catching little bass: we don't even get any Bass where I live :unsure:....

So far I think I'll stick to lugworms for now, but I'll try shrimp one of these days... Or maybe even sandeels!
I wouldn't target flatties with frozen sandeels. You can't wrong with a little bit of rag or harbour rag. Doesn't have to be a big bait. Fish it on a lead head or a running ledger type rig and the lightest gear you can get away with. Flick it out and bump it back or just drift slowly.
 

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As above i would go for Rag as bait for flounder as i have found them much better than lug probably due to the fact the Rag wriggle and lug just lie there .
If you are not casting too hard a head hooked Ragworm fished just off the bottom ( float or pop up) has plenty of life to it !
Flounder do seem to behave differently in different regions , in the north a strip of Mackeral is a top Flounder bait but in the south much less effective.
A thin sliver ( or couple of tentacles) of squid can work at times
Most of the gobies i have found in Flounders stomachs have been small 3-5cm and little fish that size do not live long on a hook.
 

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Fishing mainly sandy surf beaches I rarely find any small fish in the flounder I catch , it's mainly tiny crabs , and tiny pea cockles . A big bunch of maddies /harbour rag is my bait if choice. Although some guys have had great success recently with lug topped off with a bunch of maddies. This is fishing off the beach but in the past I have boat fished in Poole Harbour , when it was renowned for big plaice and flounder and the bait of choice was always whole king rag dug locally . These were monsters and using a fine wire size 2/0 we would thread the head on feed a fair bit of worm up the shank and snood but always made sure there was plenty of tail left to wiggle about . Movement seems to be the key for these types of flatfish .
 

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Head hooked rag on a size 1 hook and put in a d-vice then smack it out problem solved
 

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Right so Plaice would eat live sandeels, does anyone think that Flatfish would eat frozen sandeels?
I don't have to worry about catching little bass: we don't even get any Bass where I live :unsure:....

So far I think I'll stick to lugworms for now, but I'll try shrimp one of these days... Or maybe even sandeels!
Frozen sandeel rolled across the bottom . Flounder and Plaice will nail them every time.
Funnily enough, I have caught both species when bass fishing using frozen sandeel. One of the venues I fish is a tidal gulley that veers to the right where a sandbank rises . I floatfish the gulley for bass, and when the sandeel begins to hit the bottom at the spot the bank veers to the right I can almost guarantee that a flatty will hit the floatfished bait. The flats wait at the base of the sandbank for food to be washed against its base , they pounce on it as soon as they know its there, I am convinced that the drilled bullet I use as a weight for the float kicks up the sand when it hits it, the flats are looking for signs of the bottom disturbance that sandeel make when they burrow into the seabed, and nail them .

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I've caught flounders on sandeels frozen used to make 2 bait out of one 5cm sandeel cut head n tail off and straight up the hook.

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Live shrimp have been a superb bait for me in the past which I kept a supply at home in a tank. Using a size 2 or even 3 hook, thread the shrimp on tail first bringing the hook point out at the head but no through the head which allows plenty of movement and then wrap the base of the tail with bait elastic to both keep the bait on while casting but also to stop it being easily pulled off by the fish.
If using bigger hooks for bass or cod etc, I used two or more shrimp, threading the first shrimp/s fully on the hook and the last one as described above.

I am just setting up a fibre glass tank at the moment with a pump / filter and air pump ready to collect my shrimps. They are very easy to keep and free which is a bonus. You will need some kind of tub with a portable air pump to keep them fresh and of course alive, a bought a 15lt live bait bucket from ebay which has an inner basket / lid making it an easy job to get the bait out and a small tropical fish net is very handy to fish them out if you don't have the removable inner basket.

Decathalon have some really nice shrimp nets for about £25 or just make one. Shrimp also make a brilliant tipping off bait as well with black lug in winter.

I have just been a buy a supply of dendrobena earth worms for a session on the flatties in the Humber where they work very well but I have no knowledge of how effective they would be in the open sea, use them as you would maddies and they will keep wriggling for a long time. Keep them in the dark but not in a fridge, I keep mine on the garage floor for upto 6 weeks, usually after a month, they go in the garden if unused.

Hope that is of interest

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