[Nick Phillips]

Guys as you all know WSF runs on a reactive modding basis so sometimes it's impossible to please everyone...

I have opened this thread up again as I may have been a little bit 'trigger happy' on it the first time:wiggle:.

We will keep it open a bit longer and see how it goes...............

 

[eeedowls]

Well done Nick. I am finding this thread very interesting reading....

 

[warriorgunner]

i like lrf / hrf. bass fishing, beach fishing, boat fishing, am i normall or do i have to pick just 1???

 

[mark333]

please dont think im agreeing with you in any way.i was asking ,do you think you would be any less "hardcore" if you had a light game rod with you on one of your "hardcore" camping/fishing trips? wilderness? ive camped and fished in all weathers in mexico,guatamala,thailand,malaysia,myanmar,nz,france,scotland and here.hardcore? not really,i just like camping and fishing.my thoughts on this entire thread,are that there are one or two members on here who think people who enjoy light game fishing should have to justify there own choice of how they persue there pastime to them.what absolute noddys! grown men,who worry enough about what other people are doing,to start a post about it,happy in the knowledge it will create a tiny bit of friction,and who think that theres is the only way. this only goes to show,that amongst us fine group of people who call our selves "lure anglers" ther are still a few right w@*^*#s.

Sorry i was the one that put up the post hookline sinker :help:
Honest i couldnt give a monkeys what others are doing , my way is defo not THE ONLY WAY ,,, :help:nd i often thank others all over the forum when something they have posted , i take away and it then works for me ...
I dont want no friction sir (i call you sir because i was told to respect my elders , take it you were born 1970 ,,, 72 myself :wiggle:so respect )
I have learnt from myfish about night fishing , some of it works for me , some of it does not , but i put that down to areas we fish being a million miles apart in the way they are ....
I aways thought , and to this day still think the whole ethos of fishing was about trying to catch the biggest fish that swims ,,, that is why we have records for EVERY fish out there we catch .....
To go out and catch the SMALLEST of fish that swims i will never understand , or even want to understand it .
I see blogs with tiny fish with hooks coming out between there eyes , through there eyes , deep hooked ,,,

then i see more famous peoples blogs about snapping off wrasse on a trip , here there and every where ,, i think its tragic aller wrasse going to ground very fast on a rod with no stopping power or back bone ...
I have fished pulpit rock off the top straight through with 35 pound line straight though on a heavy beach caster and have been taking to ground by plenty of large wrasse in the split second i have hooked them and the stretch in the line and rod bend gets them to there bolt holes ...
So i find it hard to take reading these very beautiful creatures being snapped off with hooks and softs impaled in them ..
Wrasse are not shy fish , probably easier to catch than mac ,, a float fished rag on 15 to 20 pound line will not spook them .
These people that say catch a mac on3 pound line and a rod rated 1g to 5 g , its great , or a wrasse on the same gear is great :help::help:it might feel great to you , but these over long fights and fish going to ground are not very great for the fish .. All this bull about balanced is great when the size fish you have balanced it for comes along , but big wrasse live in snaggy sh@t holes , and its just plain wrong to snap off o them...

All blogs have it , got done by a fat pig ,, got done again 5 min later , mate then got done ,,, sorry its just out and out plain wrong ..
If people cared about the fish they got maybe they would fish for them OVER GUNNED not UNDERGUNNED , that way they get them in quicker and cleaner without losses , or even chances of loses ... So knock me , mock me etc etc , but bare in mind all these blogs are playing into the hands of the antis ....:bangin::bangin:

I take the odd bass for the table , it justify s to me , why i go fishing , why on earth would i hunt something i am ment to love , stick hooks in it , make it over fight on

light tackle to keep it out the water to long , watch it go black and gasp for life , just for a photo , all in the name of sport :help:

Then you get some helmit saying can you call yourself a true sports fisherman , if you dont put every thing you catch back :help:
But kill mac for the table like no tomorrow , is a mac less worth than a bass , and who gives ANYONE the right to make that call .

I find fishing for so called sport strange , i have done it , with all kinds freshwater fish , but with a family of fish eaters , im hardly going to put EVERTHING i catch back , then go and buy it :help:

I have links to me all over place , people saying im only C / R ,, no chance , i let people take 2 , (right size bass ) for table , and try to explain growth weights etc .f they go away learning the right size for the table , the size fish that has breed a few times 1st , thats good imho , nothing over 5 as its more than likely a female etc etc ...

Is a 10 30g bass rod sporting , how long is a fight good for a fish , is getting them in green , thrashing around all over rocks , getting anglers caught in hooks , better than taking some of the fight out of them etc etc , who knows , we dont , we are not fish ..
I dont buy all this what a fish can see under water bull and colour spectrums ,,, no one knows , we are not fish ...
But i do know lost fish and bendy rods are great fun for the angler , no fun for the better fish hooked up on them ..
Any one for a great white line class record on 12 pound line , wire trace and what was it , 4hrs 53mins ,,,, :bangin::bangin::banginathetic
Next it a be a pound pout on a spiders web on a straw ,,, where will it end ...
So as its only an one opinion , please dont loose no sleep over it ,, each to there own as you say, but all the bull about it being SPORTING , give me a break
Its to get a fight out of WEAK PATHETIC fish , that are PI@S easy to catch , thats why diddi bashing was renamed and rebranded , because diddi bashing has ALWAYS been simple ...


Ps ,
great opinion though hookline@sinker SIR
nether of us is right or wrong and thats the beauty of forums :bye1:ts only opinions , no ones counts more than any others :wiggle:

 

[36381]

great post mark, esp the ethical side of fishing worth the read.

 

[cfish]

Mark333 ive seen the wrasse thing a few times when watching lrf boys,rod bends double,line goes ping,biggest i saw actually landed was around 2lb.I am no wrasse hugger(you know what i sometimes use them for)but it seemed at best a pointless exercise,at worse a bit unfair on the wrasse.I tried lrf and enjoyed catching a few small pollack but it really isnt for me.

 

[Nick Phillips]

And the constant knocking of LRF continues...:bangin:

Why is LRF growing so fast here in the UK and why do anglers enjoy doing it so much ?

Lots of people out there miss understand what it is all about and are totally blinkered about the whole scene.

Is it a simple case of "My fishing is better and more rewarding than yours".

What does it have to do with anyone else ?

 

[cfish]

And the constant knocking of LRF continues...:bangin:

Why is LRF growing so fast here in the UK and why do anglers enjoy doing it so much ?

Lots of people out there miss understand what it is all about and are totally blinkered about the whole scene.

Is it a simple case of "My fishing is better and more rewarding than yours".

What does it have to do with anyone else ?

If people want to lrf then thats there choice and if they enjoy it then fair play to them. It is definately getting very popular down here,in the summer,places that were once crowded with tinsel tossers are now crowded with lrf anglers hence why boat angling appeals to me more and more during the summer holidays.

 

[mark333]

And the constant knocking of LRF continues...:bangin:

Why is LRF growing so fast here in the UK and why do anglers enjoy doing it so much ?

Lots of people out there miss understand what it is all about and are totally blinkered about the whole scene.

Is it a simple case of "My fishing is better and more rewarding than yours".

What does it have to do with anyone else ?

Not knocking Nick ,,, FACTS , facts are it does leave hooks and lures in fish ...:help:
Cfish was just stating what he has seen ,,,

I was stating what i have seen and read on blogs all over ..

I lost bass last year , to head shakes and hook pull outs , but never snapped off on one fish .

Why is it that leaving hooks and lures in wrasse , pollock and over bits ,

is deemed accceptable for these poor fish , it only tells me that the people that go out targeting

them whilst under gunned , have little or NO respect for there quarry .

Ill be doing it a few times this year to get youngsters into fishing , but i wont be fishing under 8 pound

line , if we get less bites so be it ,,,,

You also have to remember Nick , not every fisherman is as skilled as say yourself or others at

fighting fish on light line , and pushing there tackle to the max , in fact i have done guides

where people didnt even know what the DRAG , was for ,

So if its so fast growing and people are starting out on it , i for one feel that these snap offs

and light line stuff needs to be addressed .

To many people assume that all or most anglers are at or near the same level ,

let me assure you they are NOT ...

So while i would have no problem with you yourself landing a 9 pound wrasse on 3 pound hook length

spare a thought for whojume thingymajig who has just started out ..

Dont give a monkeys what any one thinks but in certain hands , in certain places

lrf is cruel and plain wrong to be doing .... imho ...

as for MY FISHING IS BETTER AND MORE REWARDING THAN YOURS ,,,,

it is :marinheir to me :marinheir:bye1:

But on the grand scale of things its all just fishing at the end of the day ,,,

My rod builder Richard does it lots , is a good mate , and make odd rod for it ,,,

funny thing is he sees it from both points of view , and doesnt get his nickers in a twist

like others ...

Bass fishing can be / is very very boring as YOU stated ,,

More boring still when you become half sensible at it :marinheir

Find it hard to miss understand targeting small fish of all sorts with the chance of a lunker

coming along and going off with a hook and soft somewhere in its head .....

Was glad of the honesty of the dorset lads that told me LOTS of snap offs are part of the game .


:help::marinheir

 

[Nick Phillips]

Must say that my LRF outfits are PE 0.4 (8lbs) and 5lbs leader.

FC set up is 4lbs small game straight through.

With balanced tackle fish are subdued Very quickly.

 

[LEANBASS]

another post fishing for arguments well done lads quite an enjoyable read at the same time .my question is are blennys the new bass-wrasse this year???? lol tightlines all dont worry the fishings starting to pick up now

 

[shandybass]

No matter how anyone knocks LRF gets i love it, after a long run of blanks last year i went back too LRF for a bit of fun, its a very sociable way of fishing and a real confidance booster, when i was blown of most of my marks last summer....

 

[Will (WWW)]

My rod builder Richard does it lots , is a good mate , and make odd rod for it ,,,

funny thing is he sees it from both points of view , and doesnt get his nickers in a twist

When i met Rich when he was building my rod he showed me a LRF rod and i took the **** of LRF straight away and he just grinned lol..:clap: Then later i met him in the deep section on chesil and he was luring the normal way. So i will happily take the **** more as he's nice bloke and he can take it. Unlike some...:whistling

Each to their own, but just wished others cared for the fish more.

 

[36381]

in fairness the origional post was LRF is it toss,

cant see the wood for the trees on this prehaps its a hoodwinker, question should never have been is it just for dicky rockpool stuff or can it catch larger fish. but is it a sound way of catching a larger fish, put up a pic of a table bass and theres tears a wake crowds running thru the streets wailing hysterically hitting themselves with swords burning flags, yet often the same people think nothing of losing tackle stuck down some fishes throat, it rusts out, really have u asked it, what if its in a gill.

lrf sound for a wild brownie irrisponsible for a salmon, may well catch both in the same place the same way but one isnt cricket.

 

[Will (WWW)]

lrf sound for a wild brownie irrisponsible for a salmon, may well catch both in the same place the same way but one isnt cricket.

love that saying

 

[Rumpus]

Personally, I think judging other anglers ethics is pretty dodgy ground...we all stick hooks in fish for fun and accept the fact we kill few along the way...we may think there is an ethical difference between my approach and yours but the non angling community won't see it that way and we should stick together and defend our right to harm fish for fun in whatever way we choose....

Not tried LRF yet but looking forward to buying the kids an outfit this year...in Cornwall at the weekend so a visit to bens new shop opening is in order I think.

 

[mark333]

Personally, I think judging other anglers ethics is pretty dodgy ground...we all stick hooks in fish for fun and accept the fact we kill few along the way...we may think there is an ethical difference between my approach and yours but the non angling community won't see it that way and we should stick together and defend our right to harm fish for fun in whatever way we choose....

Not tried LRF yet but looking forward to buying the kids an outfit this year...in Cornwall at the weekend so a visit to bens new shop opening is in order I think.

Sort of know where your coming from Rumpus , but thats a bit like saying if your sentenced to death ,,, you dont want the firing squad ,,,
your be more than happy to be STONED TO DEATH ... :help::help::help:
Lots of angling ways are cruel imho ,,, snagging in the u.s.a , (loads trebles ripped though the water )
Tuna fishing by water spray and steel rodding them out ,
Always said those that just sea fish catch and return for sport , does not sit well with me , if you love this fish you chase down so much
leave it alone in it ...
I have seen blokes put fish back , (not just bass ) gills pumping blood everywhere , and saying o well at least its got a chance now ... :help::help:
News for you people putting back badly bleeding fish ,, ITS GOT NO CHANCE AT ALL , so grow a pair and do the right thing ....

Enjoy Bens shop , i did , just take in what you can afford to spend :help::help::help::marinheir

 

[Kes]

I have no particular leanings, one way or the other. As anglers, I thought that it was an accepted fact that we are all a bunch of hypocrites!

Anyway, one thing that I have noticed is, when fly fishing, that lighter lines seem to catch more of the better-sized fish.

Supposedly, bass are not line shy - and how will you ever know about the ones that are? - You won't catch them! I changed to a lighter tippet, 6-8lbs bs from 15-17lbs bs, and can report an increase in the percentage of bigger fish that I have caught. Schoolies do not seem to mind line diameter, or colour, in the least. I am of the opinion that better fish can be put off (not always) by the use of heavier lines. I reckon that heavier lines are affecting the presentation and this is noticed by 'wiser' specimens. I still remember watching mullet cruising along the surface, dipping under my 4lbs bs line (in the days of my youth, you understand - long before there was any LRF) before coming up on the other side! I guess that the silhouette of line sat on the surface made it that much more obvious.

From my own point of view, it is always a good idea to keep all options open.

Cheers,

Kes.
(And I'm another one looking forward to 10*C).

 

[FishyMenace]

My two penneth...

Light Gaming (LRF to those you read the magazines) is great fun, very social and very benificial to your bass fishing. I have learn't more about predatorial behaviour in the couple of years I've been light gaming than the entire span of my sea fishing life. So many elements are completely transversal although scaled down they can soon become scaled up for your bass fishing. For me light gaming isn't about tiddler bashing but nor is it about specimen hunting, it's about having the right kit to catch and enjoy catching what's infront of you. Being totally honest though I pack it away in the summer unless my dear old mother has put in an order for some Mack and even then because there is a chance of catching a better fish I'll use my 3-15g solid tipped rod.

Bass lure fishing is the muts nuts for me and always will be, light game will always be second best but it is second best because of how rewarding it can be. One final thing that keeps nagging at me, there's all this talk of people snapping up and leaving bits and bobs in fish, to me thats completely irresponsible, that's people not using the right kit at the right time... Something Dingo said to me a couple of years back stands out, "It only takes a minority or ruin the perception of the majority."

 

[Rumpus]

Well i visited Bens new shop today and walked out with an entry level LRF set up.

25mph easterlies down here in Falmouth for tomorrow, but I shall give it a go and report back definitively as to whether LRF is the new black or just for men who still want to be boys!