cheers for the advice as for the growlers they probably take my cornbeef sarnies lolYou will get growlers on both those baits:roll1: use a size 4 or size 2 on a snood hard on the bottom with either a couple of maddies or the tail of a ragworm for the bream. Some swear by squid strip but we never had a touch on it last Sunday it was worm, worm, worm, the only thing that took the squid was? yes you got it!![]()