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<font color='#810541'>OK guys - am feeling a bit guilty about hi-jacking the &#39;coalies&#39; thread which has now gone completely off topic … ooops. &nbsp;Gonna try making amends with this contribution :

I don&#39;t know about the rest of you, but I much prefer summer fishing to winter fishing, and at this time of year I tend to look forward to the prospect of the coming spring/summer. &nbsp;For me spring begins with a run of mackerel in mid-march, the exact timing of which changes from year to year, but can usually be predicted by watching other natural signs - the flowering of a particular type of bulb in my garden seems to tell me when I should start fishing for the early mackerel. &nbsp;Does anyone else use &#39;natural signposts&#39; or am I losing the plot completely
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<font color='#000080'>I wouldn&#39;t say you&#39;ve lost the plot at all&#33; Sounds like an interesting idea, the only one I really use is the presence of Cormorants etc. and sea conditions e.g. Mackerel go deep during rough water. I would bet there are plenty more signs - probably worth paying more attention to the environment&#33;</font>
 

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<font color='#000000'>Look up uk sea temperatures on Google. Currently 8-10 deg.the surfers are well catered for regarding weather.also web cams at some resorts these days,also wave heights etc.
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<font color='#000080'>I would say sea temperature is one of the most fundamental factors. Wind chill and air temperature would bare very little on the actual temperature that the fish feel (and hence Jan/Feb being so cr*p&#33;)

Someone needs to have a web thermometer in the sea, especially in the irish sea near IOM&#33;&#33;</font>
 
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<font color='#000000'>I personally tend to watch the gulls when i get to the beech I&#39;m fishing at. &nbsp;When their circling and diving I aim for that area....Sorry but I tend to fish year around with my mates..we miss November and December and some of Jan really but other than that......

I do listen for the Cocooo bird though, that&#39;s usually the sign for Spring fishing to start.

As to sea temperatures...can&#39;t do that where we go fishing we fish off a peir...interesting idea though</font>
 
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<font color='#000080'>Gulls are a good indicator - especially for mackerel apparently, probably because their shoaling nature making them easy to spot in a group despite their iridescent camouflage&#33;

Checking google their are a few sites which can tell you the sea temp e.g.

http://cobs.pol.ac.uk/modl/metfcst/irst/latest.php

It&#39;s probably worth logging this data in a table for comparison, maybe someone can supply it already?

As for the Cuckoo, good point (also read point 10 about ladybirds etc):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/netnotes/article/0,6729,662904,00.html

And on the theme of idicators, there is only a new project doing exactly that...
http://www.phenology.org.uk/springintoscience/</font>
 
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<font color='#000000'>Interesting informational websites thanks for pointing them out for the rest of us.</font>
 

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<font color='#810541'>Hondy - you really are spending too much time on the internet to find all those links &#33;&#33;&#33; &nbsp;Try less surfing and more fishing &nbsp;


Seriously tho - very good links, and even better - it proves I am not completely losing the plot, or if I am, I am not alone...

Still waiting for those bulbs to show in my garden, but have noticed certain &#39;forecasting trees&#39; have blosom beginning to show. &nbsp;I reckon about another 4 or 5 weeks in our part of the world until the first run of mackerel for the year.</font>
 
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<font color='#000080'>Thanks Freak, i&#39;d be interested to know what the sea temp was at Portsmouth is at the moment if anyone has any good links? The sea temp around IOM is about 8C according to the link.

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<font color='#000000'>not got a clue with the sea temp.
i only started fishing last march, and the first mackeral were showing by april, not sure what is normal for the area.</font>
 
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<font color='#000000'>I&#39;m even newer than you freak but I&#39;ve had a few long chats with the local veterans and they were telling me that the mackeral here in South Wales usually show up around mid-late March and then increase from there....

I&#39;m keeping a notebook for such info just to keep it to hand.

I did here the cuckoo this morning though and when I was younger that was when Dad used to take me fishing or at least start to....so it is looking promising</font>
 

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<font color='#000000'>Hi guys ,forget al the indicators aforementioned its when the tennis starts at wimbilton for the following reasons.
1 &nbsp; &nbsp;The water temp is correct

2 &nbsp; &nbsp;The wife is locked on to the telly for two weeks ,she dose&#39;nt hear me going fishing

3 &nbsp; &nbsp;After a bag full of Mackerel deposited in the freezer for winter bait

4 &nbsp; &nbsp;Off to the pub

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<font color='#000000'>not quiet a natural sign wimbleton starting up is it?</font>
 

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<font color='#000000'>I&#39;ve been led to believe that one key sign is sea temperature. When it hits 10 degrees C the big bass are here until temperatures drop again in the late Autumn/Winter.</font>
 

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<font color='#000000'>All I know is when I have a cold northly wind howling at me during the winter/Spring then it usely is very hard going. &nbsp;When I used to do alot of Carp fishing I used to take the water temperature but after a while you only start fishing when the ideal water temp. avail. therefore you don&#39;t fish half as much and catch less. &nbsp;Since I stopped I usually catch all-year round with the odd blank. &nbsp;I catch carp when the lake had completely frozen over and all the other anglers were at home in front of the fire. &nbsp;I now apply the same thing to my sea fishing and I think I&#39;ve do rather well.</font>
 
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