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Thoughts on the new Okuma Magnetix range fellas?

I have now owned mine for three weeks but have only really got to test it last week in south west Scotland (shame the fish were not as oblidging) and so far so good although i have mixed opinions. Initially i found the spool a little small and the overall reel size large in comparisson (bigger size than a Daiwa 7HT and Penn 525mag with a much smaller capacity), the Okuma only hold 200yrds of 0.35mm line whereas the Daiwa 7HT holds 340m and the Penn 525 holds 275m of the same diameter line. Now down to business, for the purpose of fishing i had loaded it with 15lb Ultima Red Ice and a 60lb Drennan Greased weasel shockleader. I clipped the reel onto my Century TT Lite and initially found the reel a bit big and overweight for such a light rod. After the session i thought that although i cast like a dream (rivalling an Abu 6500 or Penn 525 for performance and distance) and was very user friendly the overall size let it down. The next trip out i clipped it onto my Greys GRX-s, it instantly felt more balanced and it tackled the ,edium ground admirably. I finally began to appreciate the features of this reel. The mag brake is superb, and does not tend to slip onto the fastest setting by accident as can happen woth the 525. I also liked the fast retrieve which may appeal torock anglers and match anglers alike as it is lightening quick at 6.2:1 retrieve ratio. Another feature i liked to was the handle, similar to the newer Shimano and Abu handle i found it very easy to grip and winch in comfortably. To summarise i still feel the reel could do with a larger deeper spool, and a slightly smaller frame. In comparisson to the 525mag and the 7HT it feels a bit more 'chunky' although comfortable to use. I dont know if it will ever replace my Penn's, Abu's or Daiwa reels, although for the money it is a nice piece of kit for anglers perhaps on a budget or a second back up reel. I do like it though, and it looks very smart in its black with gold trimmings and large winding handle. A shame it did not feel so good on my TT (although i will give it more of a go on this rod) it is a great little real for general beachcasting.

It would be nice to here other peoples opinion on this reel. Perhaps people have used it on lighter rods and found it comfortable? or even as i have been told some local matchmen are doing and have taken the plunge and sold their SLOSH's to buy a pair of Okuma Magnetix. Whatever your feedback i would like to here.
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As you say, the capacity on this reel lets it down - far to low. Not quite sure why you think the retrieve rate is fast, as although the ratio is actually slightly higher than the Penn 525mag, the much smaller spool diameter gives it a slower overall rate. This is magnified after a decent cast - a cast that half empties the 525mag will approx 3/4 empty the magnetix, therefore initial retrieve rate will be way lower than the Penn.

This is the only reason why I have not bought a pair of them - if Okuma release a 25 size, or ideally re-engineer the 20 to make better use of the frame size to take a bigger spool, then my wallet may come out!:)
 

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Yeah a 25 size would be a nice addition to the range. I looked at the 30 and it was a beast of a reel swallowing 350m of 20lb line. I did think that the levelwind version of the 30 would make a nice boat reel though. Did you find the reel felt a bit big on some rods though? I will try it again on my Century TT, but for me it just felt a bit big in direct comparisson to the Abu 6500 or the Daiwa 7HT i normally use on that rod.
 

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Yeah a 25 size would be a nice addition to the range. I looked at the 30 and it was a beast of a reel swallowing 350m of 20lb line. I did think that the levelwind version of the 30 would make a nice boat reel though. Did you find the reel felt a bit big on some rods though? I will try it again on my Century TT, but for me it just felt a bit big in direct comparisson to the Abu 6500 or the Daiwa 7HT i normally use on that rod.
I wouldn't think of using it on a light rod, as it's not a small fish/ match/ flattie bashing type reel like the Abu 6500 or Daiwa 7HT. The small capacity just misleads you into thinking it is! In my view this is a mixed ground, specimen fishing type reel like the 525mag or Daiwa SL/SHV20 reels but with a big error of judgement with the silly low line capacity. It was obviously not designed for the UK market, even though it was released here first... or if it was designed for here then the designers were seriously misguided! It has ended up being a hybrid of both of these types of reels - too big/ cumbersome to be a direct competitor with the 6500/7HT (the capacity is actually closer to the 5500 size) and too low capacity to compete with the 525mag or sloshes!

However it is cheap and will attract those wanting a reel to start out with, or maybe the more experienced anglers wanting a cheap spare reel to handle every eventuality. If only Okuma involved UK anglers at the design stage, I reckon they could have made a killing with this reel, even if the price was upped £20 or so! If the powers that be within Okuma have any sense they will read threads like this and act accordingly - about time the market had another reel to challenge the Penn Daiwa monopoly in this sector!
 

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Well i got mine at cost price so i am not that bothered. To be honest with you, you are correct as the reel is a bit of an odd ball. If the spool took another 100 yards of 0.40 line then i am sure that it would be a big hit. I like the feel of the handle and the build quality appears to be good though, with promise of a 40sized reel then perhaps a MG-25CS is not to far down the pipeline? If it ever does materialise i will be sure to buy one even as you say if it did cost the full RRP of £79.99.
 

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I wouldn't think of using it on a light rod, as it's not a small fish/ match/ flattie bashing type reel like the Abu 6500 or Daiwa 7HT. The small capacity just misleads you into thinking it is! In my view this is a mixed ground, specimen fishing type reel like the 525mag or Daiwa SL/SHV20 reels but with a big error of judgement with the silly low line capacity. It was obviously not designed for the UK market, even though it was released here first... or if it was designed for here then the designers were seriously misguided! It has ended up being a hybrid of both of these types of reels - too big/ cumbersome to be a direct competitor with the 6500/7HT (the capacity is actually closer to the 5500 size) and too low capacity to compete with the 525mag or sloshes!

However it is cheap and will attract those wanting a reel to start out with, or maybe the more experienced anglers wanting a cheap spare reel to handle every eventuality. If only Okuma involved UK anglers at the design stage, I reckon they could have made a killing with this reel, even if the price was upped £20 or so! If the powers that be within Okuma have any sense they will read threads like this and act accordingly - about time the market had another reel to challenge the Penn Daiwa monopoly in this sector!
Ruff Ground....I will pass on this thread to Okuma ....thanks...nomadfl
 
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At the risk of sounding a bit thick,why do you want a beachcasting reel to hold more than 200yards of line????
 

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Its all to do with the retrieve of the reel. If you cast 150 yards then only 50 yards will be left on the spool. This means that you will wind in less line per turn of the handle. This is why reels of a similar size but a bigger line capacity score better, because they have a faster retrieve rate due to a wider diametre of line around the spool. Phew! hopefully that makes sense and answers your question.
 

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Its all to do with the retrieve of the reel. If you cast 150 yards then only 50 yards will be left on the spool. This means that you will wind in less line per turn of the handle. This is why reels of a similar size but a bigger line capacity score better, because they have a faster retrieve rate due to a wider diametre of line around the spool. Phew! hopefully that makes sense and answers your question.
Spot on! It is not the capacity itself that affects this, but the outer diameter and width of the spool (a shallow spool of the same outer diameter and width will have the same retrieve but lower capacity). The magnetix spool also has a small inner diameter, so is very slow when nearly empty.

The most important time for a decent retrieve in my opinion is right at the start, especially when trying to get your gear up and away from any snags as quickly as possible. I reckon the 'full' spool diameter for this reel is about 25% less than a 525mag. A 150yard cast that half empties the 525 will approx 3/4 empty the magnetix. This all means that for casts between 100-150yards the initial retrieve rate of the magnetix will be about 2 to 2.5 times slower than the 525, resulting in more lost tackle for those fishing over or near snaggy ground.:schmoll:

The other reason 200 yards is not enough is the effect of losing line through a birdnested cast, or breaking off short in a snag. You can lose a bit of line with the other reels and continue to use them - not this one! One break off and it's change reel or re-spool time!
 

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To true. If you were to loose say 40-50 yards of line to a birdy or snaggs them you would more than likely be able to cast nearly all the line off the reel, making it a very slow initial retrieve (think about spooling a reel up with fresh line). So perhaps i shall use this reel for short range fishing such as on piers, breakwaters and some beaches. It would be ideal for these applications where distance is not required!
 

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The most important time for a decent retrieve in my opinion is right at the start, especially when trying to get your gear up and away from any snags as quickly as possible.
Very true, but of course preventing the line from snagging at the start depends on more things. I was fishing a mark the other week where snags are bound to happen when you are not quick enough at the start of the retrieval. I was fishing with a magnetix (mg 20cs) and by keeping the tip of the rod high and high speed winding things went just fine. Next to me were a couple of guys fishing using big fixed spools. But everytime they retrieved, they started out slow and kept the tip low. It was almost as if they were trying to *get* it stuck. Which as a result happened. Every time.
 

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Yeah true. I used to use the John Roberts lead lifters, although they seem to be out of favour these days. I agree that there are a few things you can do to help speed up the retrieve. Can i ask what is the lightest rod you have used your Okum Magnetix 20 on? I have been trying mine on a Century TT and although the capacity seems abut correct the reel feels a slight bit to large (although fine on my Greys GRX-s).
 

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I've been using it on only one rod sofar. A relatively cheap 15 ft rod. I'm still looking for a decent rod, specific for multiplier use, but it is a pain trying to find one here in Holland.
The magnetix feels ok but it is far from a perfect combination.
 

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They do seem oversized TBH. I think that this may be good though in the winter as the handle will be easier to hold when you mfingers are frozen. I will persist with it as its only new. It recieves a fair bit of interest though when im out fishing. I think alot of people have thought about getting one due to the price, but have just been put off due to the small spool capacity.
 

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They do seem oversized TBH. I think that this may be good though in the winter as the handle will be easier to hold when you mfingers are frozen. I will persist with it as its only new. It recieves a fair bit of interest though when im out fishing. I think alot of people have thought about getting one due to the price, but have just been put off due to the small spool capacity.
They are not oversized, they are under-spooled!

It is strange as the 30 size manages to squeeze a huge spool with over double the capacity into a frame which is about the same width as the 20 (although admittedly larger in diameter). It is quite bizarre, as the 30s spool makes much better use of the available space, going right up to the edges of the frame. For some reason Okuma just don't seem to have put any effort into making the best use of the available space with the 20... it's a bit like sticking a 1 litre engine into a Ford Mondeo... why?!!
 

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Gr8 info on this lads....for what i can understand is for all round fishing the line capacity lets it down......but say you drop the mono down to say 12lb BS and use it for Bassing.....how does that sound?
 

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That was what i thought i would do with mine, as the capacity suggests it is a light fishing reel. The problem i have though is that on a lighter rod such as a Century TT Lite the reel feels bulky and unblances the rod. Compared to other reels such as the Daiwa 7HT or Abu 6500 mag elite which suit this purpose it does seem 'too big'. I will now be using mine from venues such as piers and rock marks onto cleaner ground where you can fish with the lighter breaking strain line, and do not have to cast big distances to be in contact with the fish. Hopefully that will help you, by all means try it on your bass rod but after a few trips you will understand what i mean about it 'not feeling right'.
 

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As for performance i can't complain, it fishes well, is easy to control and the handle is very comfortable for winding. I just wish it had a larger spool capacity as then it would be almost perfect and a direct contender with the Penn 525mag and the Daiwa SL20SH. For the money though it is a good piece of kit to own and one that will be a good addition to the collection. My thoughts recently have turned to using it as an uptiding reel or for downtiding with braid. The quite narrow spool and large comfortable handle would make it a nice reel to use from the boat i was thinking.
 

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Nice one Bass-ic......a m8 has just acquired one so i will be checkin it out asap.......i think it needs to be put into a specialist category ...ie gr8 for bassing with low diameter lines.....a proper surf reel 12lb line ...force 6 onshore surf.....................................love it
 

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For £60 you will be impressed by the build quality and the features the reel has. I got mine for cost price so have no complaints really. I think a message has been sent to Okuma recommending a 25 size reel, i know there is a 40 sized reel in the pipeline aswell. Got to say that for the price it would make a nice second reel as it does perform well.
 
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