[mark333]

mental but honest conversation goin
g on here,

mark 333 you know you are right, i have a nine ft rod,probably a nifty cheapo that will work somewhere on this coast, the reel and rod cost me 34 nicker,,the lures i paid for came to 35 ,,,
yup its cheap, and i havent caught a single bass,
but i know i will catch one when i suss out the venue,
ok so far i have only put in around 4 trips to my chosen venue, equating to around 25 hours ,
all of which are different states of the tide,
still no bass,,,, but i dont care,, eventually i will hit the money, thens its pay dirt after that,,,

i fish mainly a chalky area[CLIFFS}
i am new to this lure fishing, the missus says its a waste of time,

i do have have to correct her lol,,,
how much does it cost to bait fish, ?
how many times do i ring her and say cor this is pants, and feel deflated,,
now then ,,, chucking the lures left right and centre, moving about to better spots etc,
it knackers me but i do feel kind of overwhelmed with the effort i am making,
i am targetting the bass and just bass,
aint had one ,YET
but believe me ,,,
i follow your posts with anticipation,,keep up the good work ,
you enlighten me

Thank you for that qwertyuiop
im not right neither is griff all Alan yates on everything fishy , but its good to have opinions . On forums nobody is right or wrong , learnt that the hard way :black_eye:fishing:

Now chalky areas , dont panic if vis is not great , bass will pick up on movement ...
Make sure your fishing areas you know bass have been caught on bait , (very important ) or better still lures .
Take a white lure and see if you can see it 6 to 8 inch (better still a foot ) under the water . if you can see it 6 inches a bass can see it 2 ft or more for sure .
Movement , ,,, SLOW IT ALL DOWN , ) I WOULD TAKE A SAMMY OR GUNFISH OUT , (MADE BY LUCKY CRAFT )
Flick it about a couple of hrs before low and 2 hrs up , so 4 hrs fishing , they both have little beads in there head so little movements will get them moving .
Fish slow , dont try to pop spit the gunny, just walk it left to right , stop it , (i never stop it in clear water ever )
and work an area of say half a mile ...
Then a mullet feed shallow , tackle house , or a kommomo 11 by ima , and real them back really slowly , just enough to feel a slight action at the rod tip ,
HOLD ON TIGHT , and the best of luck .... :thumbs:

Ps , i dont know what lures you have but these will get you a bass faster ...
Faster still a zonk gateride in pearl rainbow , but the bib will snap if you abuse it , but there great in colour , or if there are no snags and its deep , get the fixed bib one ...
Very best of luck :thumbs:

 

[Guest]

Thank you for that qwertyuiop
im not right neither is griff all Alan yates on everything fishy , but its good to have opinions . On forums nobody is right or wrong , learnt that the hard way :black_eye:fishing:

Now chalky areas , dont panic if vis is not great , bass will pick up on movement ...
Make sure your fishing areas you know bass have been caught on bait , (very important ) or better still lures .
Take a white lure and see if you can see it 6 to 8 inch (better still a foot ) under the water . if you can see it 6 inches a bass can see it 2 ft or more for sure .
Movement , ,,, SLOW IT ALL DOWN , ) I WOULD TAKE A SAMMY OR GUNFISH OUT , (MADE BY LUCKY CRAFT )
Flick it about a couple of hrs before low and 2 hrs up , so 4 hrs fishing , they both have little beads in there head so little movements will get them moving .
Fish slow , dont try to pop spit the gunny, just walk it left to right , stop it , (i never stop it in clear water ever )
and work an area of say half a mile ...
Then a mullet feed shallow , tackle house , or a kommomo 11 by ima , and real them back really slowly , just enough to feel a slight action at the rod tip ,
HOLD ON TIGHT , and the best of luck .... :thumbs:

Ps , i dont know what lures you have but these will get you a bass faster ...
Faster still a zonk gateride in pearl rainbow , but the bib will snap if you abuse it , but there great in colour , or if there are no snags and its deep , get the fixed bib one ...
Very best of luck :thumbs:[/QUOTE
snags and its deep
ooh this bloody puter,lol
yes the gunfish ,googled it and like it ,today was a sw,looked bassy ,couldnt get the lure out,
looking for a clear day with ese might help
thankyou

 

[Nick Phillips]

Must say that I usually avoid Sea Angler mag because of all the 'biased' reviews etc and I generally don't believe most of the stuff that is in there...:thumbdown

Just got back from a 10+ day trip:fishing1::fishing: and while I was away I picked up a copy and read the 'article' by Mr Yates,,,,,,,,It made me smile,,,,For me he was Very accurate in his 'impressions' of what is happening to lure fishing.

Way too much BLING that is bought by some people that have little or NO previous angling experience and are attracted by the cost and bling factor of some of the modern gear now being made available from Japan.

I am a short rod man:wiggle::wiggle::marinheir:shutup: (and proud of it) because it suits the way I fish and where I fish mostly BUT the follow in thing is RIGHT ON THE MARK,,,,,,and always has been even in freshwater............

I used to use longer rods and will do again when it suits me:thumbs:,,,,,I have been at this game for a long time and 'trends' do come and go but I still think that there is room for 'all' styles.....

That bit in the mag about lures being priced as high as £15 by some dealers MUST be a typo mistake:roll1:,,,,,I'l bet the bloke is embarrased at how the article reads.

Back on the 'Yatesy' thing,,,,,,,I'l bet he is a GREAT ANGLER:thumbs: and I remember him from childhood fishing books and angling newspapers going back as far as I can remember.:fishing1:
I think it just annoys me a bit when I see people like him giving the BIG SELL to some (struggling with the correct wording) types of 'gear' that is imported from the far east.:thumbdown
And the reviews are SO SO BO!!OX on some of the stuff,,,,,,,,,,that is why I stopped buying the mag.:sad:

Remember the SONIK 'episode' a while back.......:shutup:

 

[deKahuna]

Its a no brainier that distance casts produce more/bigger fish. If you know your mark (paramount) you can pick up the cruising (bigger fish) whilst positioning your lure over the hot spots.

What's important is balance... Make sure your rod, reel and line work with your lure. Don't get caught up with all this tackle tarting, a 99p will catch fish (hate to say bass as they seem the only species!!!). All you need to do is fish and get to to know your mark as well as ya missus.

I know it may sound strange to all the testosterone driven guys on this site but... Its knowledge and technique that will catch... not size lol.

I have a 7'6" rod that will punch out a 20g lure up to 70m (depending on wind) and an 11' rod that wont! - It will however cast a 60g dexter well over a 100m...

As the missus says... (all to often) its not what you've got, its what you do with it...

btw... I'm guilty as charged as I have a £600 Sage fly rod but that is just because I had the money and needed to look the part in the fishing hut.

Cast far and wide and know your water... then you'll catch. At best fish are stupid, so if you can get a lure/fly close enough, they will come...

 

[Rumpus]

F*ck me another distance V close in/long rod V short rod discussion......I'm sure we may have covered this one before at some point

Buy both and sit squarely on the fence...thats my new approach.

PS Alan Yates on lure fishing? No wonder I dont buy sea angler anymore

 

[Kes]

If im honest i wish i could have tapped into sites like this , with all the info thats on offer years ago , would have helped big time ,
but im glad i did it the hard way also .

Mark,

You are right in what you say about the 'help' that you might have been able to gain from tapping into sites such as WSF had it been in existence 15 years ago. If you can distinguish between the fact and the fiction, there is a wealth of knowledge to be gleaned from a number of contributors to these pages about lures, lines, rods, reels, tides, winds, jackets and boots; in fact on any aspect of lure fishing that you care to name (even if there is a little less on the SWFFing though - you secretive bunch!). All of which must surely add up to make you a more proficient angler.

But......................Would all of this advice make you a BETTER angler???

Of course, we all had some degree of tuition and mentoring in our formative years, we have all read books and magazines written by the experts and we have all watched our friends and peers very closely when they have had some measure of success while we have struggled. Each one of us has benefitted to a large extent from the angling community's cumulative knowledge. We need to recognise the benefits we have reaped from this cumulative knowledge and give credit to the ones who really have made/ do make a difference; those that push the boundaries, try something different, something innovative or unexpected which nobody else has done before. Without the Paul Kerrys, Mike Ladles, John Darlings and Chris Clarks (to name but a few) of the angling world we would all be much poorer.

While in my opinion Alan Yates is not at the very cutting edge of angling ideas and innovations, he is a whole lot closer than most of us will ever manage to get! However, I'm not convinced that Alan's really a lure fisherman. Ledgering, match fishing, bait gathering, maybe even casting and I would acknowledge his authority and it is the undoubted skills that he has acquired in these fields that allow him to distinguish between myth and reality, posing and potential which seems to prevail in lure fishing - the subject matter in his article to which you have referred. As an aside, it would be interesting to know what measure of success Mr. Yates has had lure fishing - I seem to recall that his best bass was a relatively modest 9lber caught from Dover pier some years ago (I don't know if he has bettered this fish since then) but this was not on a lure, it may actually have been on a live bait.

Anyway, back to my point, putting in the hours, walking the miles, trying different tides, fishing in different conditions, with all types of lures and retrieves is how you learned your trade. It's all very well fishing by wrote; that is, simply plagiarising other anglers' methods, ideas and locations, but even if you catch a sackful of fish, does that make you a good angler? If you had taken all of the short cuts that are available with the increased access to information in today's world of IT, would you be as knowledgeable and adaptable as you are? More importantly, do you think you would feel as fulfilled as an angler as you do having had to work for your successes? I doubt it!

It is impossible for any one individual to be able to master all of the different angling disciplines that exist, there are not enough hours in the day and days in the week to be able to do so. Therefore, it is absolutely fine to try and get a 'leg up' where you can. The bit that gets me are the individuals who think that they can simply buy their way to that success and then start claiming the high ground when they start catching the fish that someone else put them onto using methods that somebody else showed them!

For me, the most important thing of all, as I am sure you will agree, is that it is what you do that sets you apart from the crowd which is the true measure of what you achieve as an angler? Things like the method of presentation, understanding of the shoreline and the little tweaks to your tackle, the ideas that you have reasoned and worked out for yourself that really matter. These things are as much the true measure of an angler, not just what he catches.

Better one day as a tiger than a thousand years as a sheep!

Cheers,

Kes.

 

[mark333]

Your all missing the point ....

The best lure anglers i have ever met are good on the bait ,,,

To be good at bait fishing gives you an understanding about what is going on under the water ...

Alan Yates is up there with the best at bait , and a very helpful chap to boot ...

I dont care how much on lures he has has done , he would turn to it easier than any one else starting out , but i know for a fact he has been throwing lures on and off longer than most ...

He may not want/need to buy 25 quid lures like the rest of us fools (me included )

mono man dont , few quids worth of softs , catches him more bass in a DAY , than bloke with all the gear and no idea catch in a year :cc_surren

89 good bass in a day is his best , :cc_surren:cc_surren:cc_surren Not small fish either

Alan is right imho , people are trying to make it a secret hand shake sport , to keep prices up imho .

Bass angling is as easy as mac fishing , imho ... How many anglers had 89 mac ..... :hypocrite

 

[iow bass]

Your all missing the point ....

The best lure anglers i have ever met are good on the bait ,,,

To be good at bait fishing gives you an understanding about what is going on under the water ...

Alan Yates is up there with the best at bait , and a very helpful chap to boot ...

the trouble is, when you actually doit, put fish on the beach ...........and doit regular it starts to get up peoples noses !
I spent a few days in guernsey years back with yatsey as i was fishing the old NFSA final..........the bloke was top drawer, just talking to him you know , helpful and easy going

Words mean little if the fish havent been caught to back them up, but the blokes got a hell of a record , been there and done it .........

A 9lb er aint to be sniffed at, even on bait ........its probably bigger than 90% of anglers will ever manage........Perhaps he was too busy winning matches for years on end to put as much time in as a specimen angler :clap:

Some people are great with words , can bull**** for england but if they dont do the bizz on the beach it means squatt

Not sure of Alan yates lure fishing pedigree, but every other aspect of shore fishing hes done more than well at, well enough to be known by just about 99% of anglers ........and a proven international !

He says it how it is.........might seem wrong to some, but you earn that right , because hes been there and done it

Every ones got an opinion , just how much it counts for depends on the end result........fish on the beach :yawn:


PS. mark why you got loads of green dots under your name ?

i thought RED was your fave colour

 

[bass tard]

The fact Alan Yates needs to inform his readers that he's not a grumpy old coarse fisherman says it all !

so "don't buy any expensive gear as it may end up in the garage as you can't fish in the wind but, on those rare days you can fish, chuck the lure as far as possible" ..... really informative !

 

[are soles fish?]

Unless you can see fish "topping" or you are fishing over a fish holding hole then casting as far as you can must be the best option

 

[Nemesis_SLR]

Wondered why i hardly come into this forum, Alan Yates knows about lure fishing as i do about brain surgery. He told my friend who emailed him about a Conoflex Cod 6 that it is only fit for holding up runner beans, and my friend who was struggling with casting now can hit 120 yards with bait using them. He also admits he enjoys using them more than the powerful rods he had before that were suggested to him. Knowing and covering the ground that the bass are feeding over is so much more important than casting distance.

 

[onefootonshore]

It's completely horses for courses but in my experience I catch 90% of fish within 20 yards, having only cast that far, biggest ever was under the rod tip. I can probably cast a lure similar distances with an 8ft rod and a 13ft rod. Rod length isn't about casting, it's about fish and lure control.

 

[toby lure]

Marvellous stuff:clap:

 

[Guest]

I dont buy the distance thing. Fish are where they are. I'd go so far as to say, that you can miss fish by casting too far, and waste time in the process waiting for the lure etc, to be retrieved into the feeding zone.

Incidentally, I can a long way if needed; unless I can see feeding fish at whatever range, I always cast short, then fan out further as needed, my first cast is never the longest.

I also dont think fish fllow a lure that far, and question how one could theorise that a fish has followed from max distance in and hit in the last yards. I reckon a decision to hit is made as soon as the fish is aware of the article.

Most of the time anyway

SWF

 

[Rumpus]

There is only one to solve this long rod / more distance debate....with a controlled scientific experiment.

So to support this advancement in Sea Angling understanding I today took delivery of 9'6'' Megabass XOR Shadow XX. As a sworn 8' rod person this is a radical step but one I'm prepared to take to resolve this on-going conflict of views.

Tomorrow I shall go fishing with this rod, and with the additional 40% increase in casting distance I can expect the additional 18 inches of finest Japanese carbon to deliver (if some estimates are to be believed) I shall be covering significantly more water.

I shall post my findings on Sunday, however from this controlled experiment we can expect to conclude:

If I catch more and bigger fish than normal that long rods are better
If my catches are average there is no difference
If I have a bad day then clearly casting less distance with a shorter rod is the way to optimise your bass catching

Such controlled research shall prove one way or the other beyond all reasonable doubt which is best, therefore I expect all forum members to abide by my findings and we will hear no more on the subject

 

[onefootonshore]

You will find the results so conclusive that I can guarantee that within a year you will go from 9'6 to 10'6, 11, then 13ft. It's a slippery slope I find myself at the bottom of. If only Daiwa still made the Morethan 15MX rods, I've tried to get one but so far failed. If anyone can source me one with a firm commitment from the seller including delivery cost I will be for ever in their gratitude.

 

[Nick Phillips]

There is only one to solve this long rod / more distance debate....with a controlled scientific experiment.

So to support this advancement in Sea Angling understanding I today took delivery of 9'6'' Megabass XOR Shadow XX. As a sworn 8' rod person this is a radical step but one I'm prepared to take to resolve this on-going conflict of views.

Tomorrow I shall go fishing with this rod, and with the additional 40% increase in casting distance I can expect the additional 18 inches of finest Japanese carbon to deliver (if some estimates are to be believed) I shall be covering significantly more water.

I shall post my findings on Sunday, however from this controlled experiment we can expect to conclude:

If I catch more and bigger fish than normal that long rods are better
If my catches are average there is no difference
If I have a bad day then clearly casting less distance with a shorter rod is the way to optimise your bass catching

Such controlled research shall prove one way or the other beyond all reasonable doubt which is best, therefore I expect all forum members to abide by my findings and we will hear no more on the subject

Good Post.......

Well as you probably know I'm a short rod man 'mainly' but I can see the benefits of the longer 9'6"+ rods for distance casting if you need to.
Personally I don't think you will get 40yds extra distance but maybe 20ish,,,,,,,There is no way as a short rod user I could keep up with another experienced angler using a much longer rod,,,,I wouldn't even bother trying.

Keep us informed on how you find things with the 9'6" rod...............

 

[mark333]

I dont buy the distance thing. Fish are where they are. I'd go so far as to say, that you can miss fish by casting too far, and waste time in the process waiting for the lure etc, to be retrieved into the feeding zone.



FAIR PLAY , but any half good angler would fish all the water in front of him first , and i mean along the shore line , to all around at 30 to 40 ft .
Then when no bass are caught , blast them out , but the bass Will hit you at your feet 9 times out of ten imho , or they do where and how i fish , so really that tells me all i need to know , about how far fish follow lures ,





I also dont think fish fllow a lure that far, and question how one could theorise that a fish has followed from max distance in and hit in the last yards. I reckon a decision to hit is made as soon as the fish is aware of the article.




WE FISH a mark , where the fish sit out at 70m , we fish this surface 9 times out of ten , we can get the fish to rise and follow the lure , fins up , all aggressive ,
they normally hit at the half way back part , so , they follow 35 m ,

but again , at least half hit 6 ft out , ,

We know bass sit up in the weed 70m out , because ia few of us have snorkelled it , 50 plus times , and its just dead water 55m to shore , so maybe its areas that bass follow , but i have seen them follow a heck of a long way Every time i go fishing .
Surface work is my fav bar none , and its very very east to watch a fish come and come and come again at a lure .
On anther note , joe will back me up on this , we have had fish in a wave , where the wave lifts and we can see them clear as day , the bass are 30plus ft away and the lure is 2 turns away from coming out of the water , then a flash of silver , (faster than the eye can see) and a rod doubled over ...

I can remember joe saying out loud , that bass will never make the distance , and next thing you know his rod is bent double ,
believe me bass dont have to track a lure to your feet , but YOU /WE , have to make that lure , look catchable / injured , all the way back .

Ps , bass also know bait would rather die rotten on the beach than be eaten , thats why we all see dead or alive fresh bait on the shore as we walk .

Keep that thought in your minds when plugging , and use it to advantage ,,, I DO :thumbs:

SWF

I still think bass act different in different areas , and i know colours are of huge importance , area to area ..
Shallow areas on a fly , would be a different world to my plugging

 

[Guest]

Mark, fair point. The vast majority of my fishing is done in 2-4' water and I sneak up on fish, often involving loads of wading to reach them

Different marks, different methods - for sure

ATB

K

 

[LEANBASS]

are we talking about the same alan yates who has his name all over a whole new range of beachcasters and multiplyers?
alot of you sound like sheep . there is no right or wrong answer with lure fishing ju7st get out and fish .