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Hello all,
Hopefully the title thread will help others, searching the net and will come to this forum to find very useful advice from the experienced members on here!

Now, i understand, each different type of fishing has its own type of rod.
I am a very novice fisher, who loves to learn and loved all of my fishing trips!

My needs:
I currently fish from piers, such as deal pier and yesterday i went to Brighton Marina (east arm)
I would love to go boat fishing, this upcoming october, an also give beach fishing a try!

Unfortunatly at the moment i am using a really old 2 part Shakespear (11ft) rod with fixed spool, which i find is playing up and its on its way out and blimey does hurt my arm with the weight!

I see many people along the pier with their nice, light, telescopic rods and WOULD love, if someone can point me in the right directions of which to look at and purchase, for myself and my father :)
A rod where i can use along the pier, but would also see me out if i wanted to go beach or boat fishing.

As mentioned im only a Novice and would not require something in the elite/premium range.
Just something reliable, easily to use and of some decent quality, with my budged being around £60-80 per rod/reel, as i have to buy the set up twice (me and dad)

Kind regards
Micheal!
 

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Try shakespeare agility range for pier/beach very similar disciplines.
Hire the boat tackle when you first out will give you and idea of the difference of tackle used.
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Yes,you can use it from a pier or the beach.
Then there's lure fishing which is different again!
Depends on what you want to do,and how much you get into it.
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Yes,you can use it from a pier or the beach.
Then there's lure fishing which is different again!
Depends on what you want to do,and how much you get into it.
Dek
I really am digging myself into a deeper hole haha
I have purchased a number of lures, such as sidewinders etc, as i read that they will be useful for bass/cod when i was to go boat fishing.

With the beachcaster wont i be able to use these lures Dek?
Or could switch back to my 11ft rod when going on the boats?

I actually didnt know how much i had missed fishing till i went the other day
 

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Hi Micheal, You looking at three different discipline, there no real all round rod that does the lot, pier rods used to be 9-10 ft long to help winch fish up the pier wall. You could go the uptide boat rod at 9 ft but again that is a specialist discipline from the boat, casting uptide, from the boat and i don't think the skipper will be too please first time casting. Normal boat rods are around 6-7 ft, down tide, so way to short from the pier. Now people are going longer lighter so a beach casting rod, continental rods from the Pier and Beach will have them both covered and either buy or hire a boat rod. You could use a spinning/ lure rod anywhere, and if it's practical to do it, again it another angling discipline.
 

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Hello all,
Hopefully the title thread will help others, searching the net and will come to this forum to find very useful advice from the experienced members on here!

Now, i understand, each different type of fishing has its own type of rod.
I am a very novice fisher, who loves to learn and loved all of my fishing trips!

My needs:
I currently fish from piers, such as deal pier and yesterday i went to Brighton Marina (east arm)
I would love to go boat fishing, this upcoming october, an also give beach fishing a try!

Unfortunatly at the moment i am using a really old 2 part Shakespear (11ft) rod with fixed spool, which i find is playing up and its on its way out and blimey does hurt my arm with the weight!

I see many people along the pier with their nice, light, telescopic rods and WOULD love, if someone can point me in the right directions of which to look at and purchase, for myself and my father :)
A rod where i can use along the pier, but would also see me out if i wanted to go beach or boat fishing.

As mentioned im only a Novice and would not require something in the elite/premium range.
Just something reliable, easily to use and of some decent quality, with my budged being around £60-80 per rod/reel, as i have to buy the set up twice (me and dad)

Kind regards
Micheal!
Have you thought about a 11ft 2-5oz bass rod? I use them all the time from the beach and Marina/Piers etc. I use a multiplier but you can get a reasonable priced Jarvis Walker fixed spool reel, it has stainless steel shaft, brass gears and made for sea fishing. I am sure you can get them within you price range. Try that online auction site flea bay they have buy it now and from UK tackle shops.
 

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Hi Micheal, You looking at three different discipline, there no real all round rod that does the lot, pier rods used to be 9-10 ft long to help winch fish up the pier wall. You could go the uptide boat rod at 9 ft but again that is a specialist discipline from the boat, casting uptide, from the boat and i don't think the skipper will be too please first time casting. Normal boat rods are around 6-7 ft, down tide, so way to short from the pier. Now people are going longer lighter so a beach casting rod, continental rods from the Pier and Beach will have them both covered and either buy or hire a boat rod. You could use a spinning/ lure rod anywhere, and if it's practical to do it, again it another angling discipline.
Hi Colin
Would this idea work?..If i was to buy a good fixed spool reel and then buy just the beachcaster rod (to use on the pier/beach) and then buy a normal boat rod only.
So i could use the reel on both rods, when either going to boat fishing or pier?
 

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Have you thought about a 11ft 2-5oz bass rod? I use them all the time from the beach and Marina/Piers etc. I use a multiplier but you can get a reasonable priced Jarvis Walker fixed spool reel, it has stainless steel shaft, brass gears and made for sea fishing. I am sure you can get them within you price range. Try that online auction site flea bay they have buy it now and from UK tackle shops.
Hi mate, i have just checked out the Jarvis Walker fixed spool reel
They have the Jarvis Walker Mirage, front drag and rear drag? not too sure what that is?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Jarvi...hash=item1c5527e80e:m:m-T-8UNI9Dht_Ba10_A1vbg
 

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Hi Colin
Would this idea work?..If i was to buy a good fixed spool reel and then buy just the beachcaster rod (to use on the pier/beach) and then buy a normal boat rod only.
So i could use the reel on both rods, when either going to boat fishing or pier?
Hi Normally boat rods are rung for multiplier use, the rings are smaller and the reel will be on the wrong side of the spine, and will be a strain on the line to first ring from the reel.
 

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Hi mate, i have just checked out the Jarvis Walker fixed spool reel
They have the Jarvis Walker Mirage, front drag and rear drag? not too sure what that is?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Jarvi...hash=item1c5527e80e:m:m-T-8UNI9Dht_Ba10_A1vbg
The front drag is the adjuster on the front of the spool, blue box one in the picture, where as the rear drag, red box one adjusts the drag from the rear of the reel (the one I have) Mine is a Jarvis Walker Mirage ENR 650 (R stands for rear drag) and has a metal body. Shakespeare also make similar ones but the ones I have seen have plastic bodies. Drags are to adjust the tension when a fish takes, if you tighten to much the line can break, to lose and you can't play/wind the fish in. Usually before casting the first time, pull the line so that there is tension on the reel and under the breaking strain of the line being used. Fixed spool reels are easier for novices and a lot of expert fisher folk use them. Multipliers are harder for some people who get birds nests (tangles) until they come proficient with them. I much prefer multies and have been using them since the 60's, but that is my preference.
 

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The front drag is the adjuster on the front of the spool, blue box one in the picture, where as the rear drag, red box one adjusts the drag from the rear of the reel (the one I have) Mine is a Jarvis Walker Mirage ENR 650 (R stands for rear drag) and has a metal body. Shakespeare also make similar ones but the ones I have seen have plastic bodies. Drags are to adjust the tension when a fish takes, if you tighten to much the line can break, to lose and you can't play/wind the fish in. Usually before casting the first time, pull the line so that there is tension on the reel and under the breaking strain of the line being used. Fixed spool reels are easier for novices and a lot of expert fisher folk use them. Multipliers are harder for some people who get birds nests (tangles) until they come proficient with them. I much prefer multies and have been using them since the 60's, but that is my preference.
I dont think i am experianced to benefit from that being honest and wouldnt have a clue to utulise its benefits of knowing how much to adjust, knowing my luck i probably would end up breaking it before i even got the chance to use it.
Literally would want a simple good reel for a novice

Any views on the Jarvis Walker Fishhunter reel? If i also get a beachcasting reel, would i be able to use that on the pier? or take it off and apply it to a shorter boat road?

https://www.tackleuk.co.uk/Shop/ReelsBeachReels/Jarvis-Walker-Fishunter-Ultimate-Beach-Reel.htm
 

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I dont think i am experianced to benefit from that being honest and wouldnt have a clue to utulise its benefits of knowing how much to adjust, knowing my luck i probably would end up breaking it before i even got the chance to use it.
Literally would want a simple good reel for a novice

Any views on the Jarvis Walker Fishhunter reel? If i also get a beachcasting reel, would i be able to use that on the pier? or take it off and apply it to a shorter boat road?

https://www.tackleuk.co.uk/Shop/ReelsBeachReels/Jarvis-Walker-Fishunter-Ultimate-Beach-Reel.htm
He may find the Fishhunter reel a little heavy for a beginner, that is why I went for a ENR650 as has a strong graphite spool. The adjuster on the En650 or 450 is on the front of the spool (the dial flat adjuster) and I adjust mine (rear drag adjuster knob) so that when you pull the line via the bail arm there is enough tension to pull the line off slowly. Or about 3-5lb less than the breaking strain of the line. You do the same with a rear drag reel knob. The reason if you hook a large fish it can take line off the reel and not break it so you play it until it tires, then can land it. For boat fishing it will be ok for light stuff but no good for congers, tope or very large rays
Hope that helps.
 

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Guys i neverrrrrrrrr knew just how much i have missed going fishing! Since my last visit a few days ago, i can not wait to go again!!!!
I really want to go now! :( i feel like getting my rod and heading off to either Brighton or Deal Pier.
The only thing is i dont have any fresh bait, an my feathers are useless at night, BUT I do have a bunch of lures such as sidewinders (rhubarb and custard) an a few others.
Cant i use them instead? off a pier would that be okay if i was aiming for bass.

Really would love if i could also find nicer areas around those piers i mentioned
 

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Guys i neverrrrrrrrr knew just how much i have missed going fishing! Since my last visit a few days ago, i can not wait to go again!!!!
I really want to go now! :( i feel like getting my rod and heading off to either Brighton or Deal Pier.
The only thing is i dont have any fresh bait, an my feathers are useless at night, BUT I do have a bunch of lures such as sidewinders (rhubarb and custard) an a few others.
Cant i use them instead? off a pier would that be okay if i was aiming for bass.

Really would love if i could also find nicer areas around those piers i mentioned
Brighton Marina is deeper water and I use bass rod for bottom fishing and a LRF rod for lure or float fishing. If going to the Marina the Tackle Box has bait but you need to order as the don't keep big stocks. http://www.thetackleboxbrighton.com/
 

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Update:
So i went to Brighton, to which i have also posted a report on my night/morning their on the reports page.
I was told by the gentleman collecting the money on the marina pier, that my lures are very good! however will not work at all.

He said that i would not be able to catch anything with my rod (bass rod) and would need to invest in a proper lure rod and learn the technique of lure fishing, he also mentioned that it is more practicable for me to do lure fishing off a beach instead of a pier.

Which brings me now to ask, some of these lures i purchased was for me in hoping to catch cod when i go boat fishing, so does that mean i will not be able to use those lures on a boat trip?

An as mentioned above, i am most likely to next purchase a beachcaster (which i can use for beach/pier) again will a BC not be any good to use with lures?
 

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I wouldn't think a beachcaster would be any good with lures mate. But u can pick up cheap lure rods mate u could get one that would do the job for £30 or even less. For now I would suggest focusing on bait fishing once u get used to this and get some water craft skills under ur belt then maybe try lure fishing inbetween bait fishing trips. Get a beachcaster 12ft or above rated 4-6oz (8oz max) buy some shop bought pre tied rigs and just get out there and fish, try not to make things too complicated, worrying about boat rods, beach rods, lures, bait etc all at the same time will just confuse the he'll out of u. Focus on one thing at a time, get out there catch some fish and take ur time mate
 

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I wouldn't think a beachcaster would be any good with lures mate. But u can pick up cheap lure rods mate u could get one that would do the job for £30 or even less. For now I would suggest focusing on bait fishing once u get used to this and get some water craft skills under ur belt then maybe try lure fishing inbetween bait fishing trips. Get a beachcaster 12ft or above rated 4-6oz (8oz max) buy some shop bought pre tied rigs and just get out there and fish, try not to make things too complicated, worrying about boat rods, beach rods, lures, bait etc all at the same time will just confuse the he'll out of u. Focus on one thing at a time, get out there catch some fish and take ur time mate
Hey mate i think your right, since being at home all i have done is read and read, however like you said as i research deeper, i think im digging myself a hole for confusion.

Keep it nice and simple is my now goal :)
So my focus right now is
1 x beachcaster fishing rod/reel (4/6oz)
 

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Hey mate i think your right, since being at home all i have done is read and read, however like you said as i research deeper, i think im digging myself a hole for confusion.

Keep it nice and simple is my now goal :)
So my focus right now is
1 x beachcaster fishing rod/reel (4/6oz)
Once you get away from piers and proms, you've need some sort of rod rest as well..The cheapest option would be two sand spikes, and they generally work ok on sandy beaches, but a better, more versatile option would be a tripod which more often than not is designed to hold two rods..

If you are fishing off a harbour wall or similar, you can cushion your rods with some of the no slip dash mats from your local Poundshop or if off railings on a prom or pier, get yourself some Leeda or Tronixpro Wire Rod wraps as below fore about £3

 
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